Wrestling gets you in better shape than BJJ/Judo

hayliks said:
Wow, you must have been JV all your life, you fucking moron. Wrestlers conditioning is to give them the ability to wrestle as hard in all three periods. I wrestled 8 years some middle school through some collegiate. I still go back and visit my high school team and workout with them when I'm home for Christmas and I can't get through even 1/2 the practice without sitting out. It's not because I'm not strong enough, I have a lot of strength, but it's because I don't have the conditioning. We had a wrestler this past year that was nationally ranked, took 1st at Prep Nationals, cuts from 200lbs to 189. I weigh about 172, not in wrestling shape, and best I faired at Prep Nationals was 3rd place (back in 2001). This kid is bigger than me, stronger than me, faster than me, and overall a better wrestler than I ever was. I wrestled a match with him and I almost beat him because there are 3 wrestling techniques that I can do that are VERY effective, I was winning in the 3rd until I was completely gassed and he came back from 8-5 and beat me 11-10 in the last 45 seconds. I don't attribute me losing to my lack of strength. Plenty of guys lose BJJ matches because of lack of cardio, and especially at the white belt level (as in low level high school wrestling as well) plenty of people lose because of strength. Saying you NEED more strength in wrestling is pretty much bullshit, I am a huge advocate of strength and using it in grappling when necessary it is ALWAYS an asset, but wrestling is equally as technical as any other grappling sport out there.
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You just said the exact same thing I did except very angrily! Nice Job Angry me!
 
georgejjr said:
You can start slow and it'll build up. Its a good workout in many ways, and you can make it more intense as your conditioning improves. Good for flexibility too, works your stabilizers (important for backs and other such things that can be a problem as you get well into middle age), good for resistance training too. Grappling is one of the best exercises out there, and groundwork (which BJJ emphasizes) can be done well into old age, unlike throws and takedowns.

Just take it easy the first few weeks, give your body a bit of time to adapt, and you'll do fine. A couple of years down the road you'll be very happy with your fitness level.
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thanks.
 
when i wrestled in high school our practices ran from 2:36 (dismissal from school) all the way until 6:30. id say about 3/4 of that time was spent conditioning.

the conditioning that i go through at my gym now for BJJ is pretty much just enough to get my blood flowing.
 
KoolsGang said:
when i wrestled in high school our practices ran from 2:36 (dismissal from school) all the way until 6:30. id say about 3/4 of that time was spent conditioning.

the conditioning that i go through at my gym now for BJJ is pretty much just enough to get my blood flowing.
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Exactly.
 
What the hell? That can't be right. Our high school dismissed around the same time, but wrestling practice began at 3:00 PM. Partly because the wrestling practice room was 1/4 away from the school, but it still took a little bit for everyone to get together after school ended. We practice until 5:30 PM usually. You can't practice 4 hours straight 6 days a week. It would destroy your bodies and leave you hardly any time for dinner or school work. You have to be exaggurating. I'm not saying it is impossible, but it certainly isn't the norm for wrestling programs after school!
 
KoolsGang said:
when i wrestled in high school our practices ran from 2:36 (dismissal from school) all the way until 6:30. id say about 3/4 of that time was spent conditioning.
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I think our prasctices were the same. I remember us practicing for 2 hours and conditioning for 2 hours.

I am curious about this question's answer. Were you guys allowed to drink water? We were always told to just rinse our mouths out but don't drink any (I always guzzled like a gallon anyway). We were told that we needed to train our bodies to get used to not having water.

Also, did you guys practice with the heat in the wrestling room on? Summer or winter the wrestling room during practice was like 85 degrees. Was this normal?

I don't think the water thing this is allowed anymore. Did anybody else train like this? Looking back now those were some really bad conditions for training.
 
Frodo said:
What the hell? That can't be right. Our high school dismissed around the same time, but wrestling practice began at 3:00 PM. Partly because the wrestling practice room was 1/4 away from the school, but it still took a little bit for everyone to get together after school ended. We practice until 5:30 PM usually. You can't practice 4 hours straight 6 days a week. It would destroy your bodies and leave you hardly any time for dinner or school work. You have to be exaggurating. I'm not saying it is impossible, but it certainly isn't the norm for wrestling programs after school!
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Nope, wrestling practice is 3 hours everyday. Even more during summer. Although at my high school we had 6th period off to wrestle so we got out at 5:30. Practice started at 2:15.
 
Frodo said:
What the hell? That can't be right. Our high school dismissed around the same time, but wrestling practice began at 3:00 PM. Partly because the wrestling practice room was 1/4 away from the school, but it still took a little bit for everyone to get together after school ended. We practice until 5:30 PM usually. You can't practice 4 hours straight 6 days a week. It would destroy your bodies and leave you hardly any time for dinner or school work. You have to be exaggurating. I'm not saying it is impossible, but it certainly isn't the norm for wrestling programs after school!
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Really?
At my high school our practices officially started at 4pm, but we would have everybody there and warming up latest 3:30. Our practices would end at 6-6:30. Then I'd do homework til 9 then workout from 9-11. Sometimes I'd wake up at 5:30 to run for an hour before school also. 5 days/week, tournament every weekend.

Practices during Christmas break were the worst. They would be from 12-??? sometimes they would be 2 hours, sometimes they would run 4-5 hours, depending on our coach's mood. We practiced 6 days/week then if we didn't have a tournament, would only have christmas eve, day and new years day off.
 
Ya, but your practices were still 2.5-3 hours long usually. Our wrestling practices were about the same as your's. Running for an hour before school gives you time to recover. I do train 4 hours in a row sometimes (two 2 hour practices with about a 30 minutes break in-between). We do train very hard. I notice that when rolling with fresh partners that my effectiveness goes down a lot in the second practice. If I can get a least 2+ hours of break in-between, it gives me enough time to rest. Consecutively it can be very draining if I do it more than twice a week.

The fourth and fifth consecutive hours make a big difference at least in my experience. Two to three hour sessions are about the standard. That's probably the best for training good without risking over-training. I train every day often twice a day, so I have tried to figure out how to prevent being seriously injured. Sometimes I still get hurt or over-trained, but I haven't torn my knee or injured my spine or shoulders too much. Yet.

You can train 4 hours once in a while. But 2:30-6:30 six days a week seems like it would cause more injures and exhaustion than 2:30-5:30 would. At least that's my opinion for high school practices which only train once/day.
 
PhillyD45 said:
I think our prasctices were the same. I remember us practicing for 2 hours and conditioning for 2 hours.

I am curious about this question's answer. Were you guys allowed to drink water? We were always told to just rinse our mouths out but don't drink any (I always guzzled like a gallon anyway). We were told that we needed to train our bodies to get used to not having water.

Also, did you guys practice with the heat in the wrestling room on? Summer or winter the wrestling room during practice was like 85 degrees. Was this normal?

I don't think the water thing this is allowed anymore. Did anybody else train like this? Looking back now those were some really bad conditions for training.
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That goes against NCAA recommendations. You're supposed to drink 8oz every 20 min:

http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/wrestling/mat.pdf

Hot wrestling rooms is normal AFAIK; although, excessively hot temperatures are not allowed.
 
Since this thread is still going I will repeat my point from before.

The training of COMPTITORS against what HOBBYISTS do is of course going to have a disparity. Most ANY sport at the HS level will have a tougher practice than a standard BJJ class.

The competition teams practice, or the practice of competitors in general, well thats what should be in the discussion.

OF COURSE A HOBBY CLASS IS EASIER THAN THE TRAINING OF A COMPETITON TEAM. So there for the TS you are correct preparing for sports competion will get you in better shape than a fun hobby with a little exercise and some grappling moves.


The actual training of high end competitors in both activities on the other hand.........is going to look much more similar in intensity. But then again the TS was a high school wrestler and a BJJ beginner, basically a guy who knows little about two things talking alot..........
 
I don't think elite judoka or elite wrestlers have an edge in getting in shape. According to this research paper, elite judoka commonly have a body fat percentage between 8% and 16% for several nationalities:

Code: 
Nationality	Body Fat%	Year
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Hungarian	8.9
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PhillyD45 said:
I think our prasctices were the same. I remember us practicing for 2 hours and conditioning for 2 hours.

I am curious about this question's answer. Were you guys allowed to drink water? We were always told to just rinse our mouths out but don't drink any (I always guzzled like a gallon anyway). We were told that we needed to train our bodies to get used to not having water.

Also, did you guys practice with the heat in the wrestling room on? Summer or winter the wrestling room during practice was like 85 degrees. Was this normal?

I don't think the water thing this is allowed anymore. Did anybody else train like this? Looking back now those were some really bad conditions for training.
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I went to a wrestling practice at my high school in 10th grade.

The room was very hot (and I sweat a lot anyway), and halfway through the coach announced that this was the only practice at which we would be allowed to drink water. At all other practices, no water would be allowed. Of course a normal practice could last three hours or so.

Basically, I could tell right away that the coach was a complete moron. Our wrestling team wasn't very good, and I am sure that sort of mentality was why.

I actually got sick for about a week after that practice which was unrelated, but after I got better I just decided never to go back. I was already going to be behind after missing a week anyway, and the coach had already proven himself to be an idiot.

The truth is, I always naturally liked combat sports, and I probably would have stuck with the wrestling if the coach wasn't such a blatant dumbass about athletic conditioning. I regret that we had such a bad coach because I think I probably would have liked the sport at that time.
 
Balto said:
I went to a wrestling practice at my high school in 10th grade.

The room was very hot (and I sweat a lot anyway), and halfway through the coach announced that this was the only practice at which we would be allowed to drink water. At all other practices, no water would be allowed. Of course a normal practice could last three hours or so.

Basically, I could tell right away that the coach was a complete moron. Our wrestling team wasn't very good, and I am sure that sort of mentality was why.

I actually got sick for about a week after that practice which was unrelated, but after I got better I just decided never to go back. I was already going to be behind after missing a week anyway, and the coach had already proven himself to be an idiot.

The truth is, I always naturally liked combat sports, and I probably would have stuck with the wrestling if the coach wasn't such a blatant dumbass about athletic conditioning. I regret that we had such a bad coach because I think I probably would have liked the sport at that time.
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Wuss
 
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