Wrestling gets you in better shape than BJJ/Judo

I think up until about 7 years ago no water and heated rooms were standars practice for generations of wrestlers. That's why I asked if others did the same.
 
PhillyD45 said:
I think our prasctices were the same. I remember us practicing for 2 hours and conditioning for 2 hours.

I am curious about this question's answer. Were you guys allowed to drink water? We were always told to just rinse our mouths out but don't drink any (I always guzzled like a gallon anyway). We were told that we needed to train our bodies to get used to not having water.

Also, did you guys practice with the heat in the wrestling room on? Summer or winter the wrestling room during practice was like 85 degrees. Was this normal?

I don't think the water thing this is allowed anymore. Did anybody else train like this? Looking back now those were some really bad conditions for training.
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thats kind of what we were told too, we could drink like a sip thats it. enough to rinse our mouths and keep us from being dehydrated.

and it was always hot where we wrestled. we didnt have our own spot to practice like all the other sports. there was a spot behind the bleachers in the gym that was prolly the length of a basketball court but only about 30 feet wide where we stuck some wrestling mats. the gyms air conditioning sucked ass so you were always sweating to death.

after warming up and conditioning in there wed run about 1/4 mile sprints to the football field house across the school to do weightlifting. thats about the only time we had a chance to actually drink water is when we were waiting for our turn on some equipment or whatever. after that wed run about 3 miles then go back to the mats to learn some moves.

i hated it, but i loved wrestling haha.
 
Wrestlers train for competition and thats why they are prepared. Alot of high level Judokas and BJJ fighters are in the same shape because they train for competition
 
YeahBee said:
dude if he isn't an accomplished judoka/samboist aswell I will let you choose my avatar for a month
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THE ONLY SOMBO EX. B.SAITIEV HAS IS IN THE MILITARY. THAT IS HOW TOP WRESTLERS TRAIN. NOT LIKE IN THE STATES. THROWS ARE A MAJOR TECHNIQUE IN INTERNATIONAL COMPETITION. THROW WITH BACK EXPOSER ARE WORTH UP TO 5 PTS. DEPENDING ON HEIGHT BRO. SO THE HIGHER YOU GET SOMEONE ABOVE YOUR HIP'S CAN GET YOU BIG SCORES. NOTHING NEW. YOU :icon_lol:CAN WATCH THE OLYMPIC TRIALS AND WATCH GUYS DOING THE SAME STUFF IN THE STATES WITH NO JUDO EXPERIANCE. IT IS TAUGHT IN WRESTLING FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. YOU CAN KEEP YOUR AVATAR THE WAY IT IS THOUGH
 
We were always allowed to have water at our practices, it's very cruel not to. When I was cutting heavily I wouldn't drink any, but I would definitely swish it around my mouth. Our room was always hot, and we had a heater going in the corner. I lost anywhere from 4-6 lbs without sweats, and 8-11 lbs with sweats on. Plastics weren't allowed in our wrestling room.
 
It's not just cruel, but also unhealthy
 
We definitely were allowed (even warned) to keep well hydrated. If nothing else, you can work athletes much harder if they're hydrated (to think like a proper sadistic wrestling coach :icon_twis).
 
anaconda said:
lol. after proving conclusively that you are an absolute moron, you still have the gall to try and make fun of others?

Are you a teenager yet?
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Woah someone obviously can't understand a joke, wound up a bit tight there. You need to relax bro, go do some hip-escapes.
 
wow. our practices are pathetic. run 1 mile at the beginning, then drill for about 1.5 hours and then live wrestling switching partners everytime for about half hour. with like 5 water breaks.
 
It's not even close. I've gone to some Jiu jitsu classes, it bored the hell out of me.

Wrestling is constant action, if you get passive for a second, your ass gets pinned. This type of competition translates into the amount of strength you can get. Jiu Jitsu is much more passive, to the point they just sit there missionary style staring at each other for a god chunk of time.

A wrestler can enter a Jiu Jitsu place and find great success. I know kids who never even went to a class and won tournaments. I'm not talking about black belt elite level stuff, but they were against people who most likely had at least several months practicing what they were competing in. We had some kids who did Jiu Jitsu try out for wrestling. Their takedowns were awful. They were fish. Once down a simple half nelson to turn them over was all that was required. It just doesn't translate to anywhere near the same strength and conditioning levels.

You'll never see a jiu jitsu match like this. And this ended in the first period. This goes on for 3 periods and the people are still going full steam.

YouTube - Ryan Lang - Darrion Caldwell
 
PaiMei said:
Their takedowns were awful. They were fish. Once down a simple half nelson to turn them over was all that was required. It just doesn't translate to anywhere near the same strength and conditioning levels.
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Maybe i am misinterpreting this but why would a BJJ guy have better takedowns than a wrestler? Also why would it be difficult for a wrestler to turn over a BJJ guy? I don't really resist when people try to put me on my back.

Also everything you mentioned has nothing to do with conditioning.

PaiMei said:
A wrestler can enter a Jiu Jitsu place and find great success. I know kids who never even went to a class and won tournaments.
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Thats interesting because I've seen wrestlers in BJJ class that gas after 5 minutes when they can't figure out what to do once ithey get someone on their back. Also if what you are saying is true i am going to guess the wrestlers were from a school program that trained for competition versus a BJJ program that trained to learn the art with competition a side thought.

I guess it is the nature of fight sports or human nature in general but it is interesting how so many feel the need to compare what they do to others and claim they are better.
 
You did misinterpret. You have it backwards. The wrestler's takedowns were better. It wasn't difficult to put a jj guy on his back, you could pretty much do it any way you wanted to.

I mentioned conditioning. I said it's constant action(wrestling) vs. a more passive style.

You're right, you won't see them slap on many subs. In a tourny though, you can take them down and win on points.

I never said wrestling was better than JJ for mma, they both have their spots. JJ importance can't be ignored. However, which one translates into more strength and endurance is wrestling, without a doubt. Just watch how each match is conducted. When practicing, this is what takes place. JJ guys kinda go with the flow, while wrestlers fight and struggle with all their might to not get turned over etc. The core strength you get is unparraleled.

Just take a look at who most people's list of strongest guys in mma are. They are all wrestlers.

GSP, Hughes, Randleman, Coleman, Rampage, Koscheck, Ortiz, Liddell, Couture.

You have some guys like Cro Cop who can stuff takedowns and have that wrestler's strength, but it is rare.
 
We've had some wrestlers come to our judo class and gas out in 10 minutes. The reason is they complain about overheating in the gi. Anyone who does judo and ju-jitsu will tell you it doesn't take long for that gi to get absolutley flaming hot.

Anyways they are different sports with different objectives so they require different workouts and strengths. Just because someone can go three periods in wrestling (rounds whatever wrestling uses, I'm not familiar with it) doesn't mean they can do it in judo-jitsu AND vice versea.
 
PaiMei said:
You did misinterpret. You have it backwards. The wrestler's takedowns were better. It wasn't difficult to put a jj guy on his back, you could pretty much do it any way you wanted to.

I mentioned conditioning. I said it's constant action(wrestling) vs. a more passive style.

You're right, you won't see them slap on many subs. In a tourny though, you can take them down and win on points.

I never said wrestling was better than JJ for mma, they both have their spots. JJ importance can't be ignored. However, which one translates into more strength and endurance is wrestling, without a doubt. Just watch how each match is conducted. When practicing, this is what takes place. JJ guys kinda go with the flow, while wrestlers fight and struggle with all their might to not get turned over etc. The core strength you get is unparraleled.
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You say a wrestler can put a BJJ guy in his back anyway he wants to, BJJ fighters can submit wrestlers however they want to. You say wrestlers can win on points, not if the BJJ fighter just pulls guard. You think a wrestler can pass guard straight off the wrestling mat?

BJJ and wrestling have the same crossover to one another, IMO. All wrestlers come out of competition geared teams, though, and only a percentage of BJJ gyms do the same. That, IMO, is why wrestlers can adapt to BJJ so quickly, because of their strength and conditioning.
 
PaiMei said:
You did misinterpret. You have it backwards. The wrestler's takedowns were better. It wasn't difficult to put a jj guy on his back, you could pretty much do it any way you wanted to.

I mentioned conditioning. I said it's constant action(wrestling) vs. a more passive style.

You're right, you won't see them slap on many subs. In a tourny though, you can take them down and win on points.

I never said wrestling was better than JJ for mma, they both have their spots. JJ importance can't be ignored. However, which one translates into more strength and endurance is wrestling, without a doubt. Just watch how each match is conducted. When practicing, this is what takes place. JJ guys kinda go with the flow, while wrestlers fight and struggle with all their might to not get turned over etc. The core strength you get is unparraleled.

Just take a look at who most people's list of strongest guys in mma are. They are all wrestlers.

GSP, Hughes, Randleman, Coleman, Rampage, Koscheck, Ortiz, Liddell, Couture.

You have some guys like Cro Cop who can stuff takedowns and have that wrestler's strength, but it is rare.
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Bzzzt. Wrong. Thanks for trying. Just people your BJJ school bores you doesn't mean all BJJ schools bore you. In fact there are many quick and fast BJJ guys. BJJ just caters to more people - you aren't cut from a BJJ school for not having much athleticism. However, the invitational competition teams where they do select the best actually are very athletic.

And many BJJers work on their takedowns too. They cross-train. Apparently you do not, being the elitist that you are.
 
Elitist? Whatever.

I'm wrong? Who are the strongest guys then?

Big nog, Anderson silva, Joe horn, Lister, Serra?

I never said Wrestling was better for mma.

I'm talking about which gets you stronger and gives you more endurance. It's wrestling.

I'm basing it on the fact that one is passive and one isn't. One you struggle to stop yourself from getting turned to your back, another you can lay flat on your back for 5 minutes if you want, looking for a sub.

As for the passing the guard straight off the wrestling mat, my one friend used upper body throws. Even a good old fashioned headlock. Once in side control it wasn't hard for him to get the other guy mounted. The 2 subs he felt most confident with, which he only learned from watching t.v., were the kimura and arm bar. It isn't rocket science. He even got the kimura on someone.
 
Feel free to show me some of your favorite videos of matches guys, i'll watch them. I just don't see anything you'll show me that equals the amount of physical strain and demand that you'll find in a wrestling match. Not even close.
YouTube - 2007 NCAA 141 lb. Final
 
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