Wrestling gets you in better shape than BJJ/Judo

[DaRuckus337]

This thread is a mess. In any event, you get in shape by pushing yourself harder than you really want to on the mat, whatever the grappling art may be. The harder you push, the longer you work, the better the shape you get in. If you throw in some physical training time as well, you get in even better shape. It's not rocket science. I will say that live takedowns is more tiring than live matwork, but that goes for matwork in wrestling and matwork in bjj. Standing grappling just involves more total body muscles at any given time than matwork, and since wrestling practices work more stand-up grappling (50% or more of practice), they probably get you in slightly better shape than most bjj practices, which go 90% on the mat.

 

[Jimmy Cerra]

hey man, this started out as a convo about practicing a more aggressive grappling developing you more strength, which seems obvious. Then you posted that which had nothing to do with what we were arguing about. That has nothing to do with my claims of wrestling being more aggressive vs. jj which allows for passivity.

PaiMei, you're completely wrong. The convo was about you claiming wrestling gets people in better shape than BJJ. The thread title is "Wrestling gets you in better shape than BJJ/Judo". In your own words:

I'm talking about which gets you stronger and gives you more endurance. It's wrestling.

So WTF are you talking about.

You posted an unrelated video with you beating a "state champ" I call b.s. there is no way what he displayed on that video were the moves of a state champ. Like I said that move at the start, the front headlock with his body on your right side, your head by his right foot, then he sticks that foot out for a trip attempt that made no sense. It was J.V. You could have had an easy single. No state champ makes that mistake or gets dunked by that fireman's carry. Sorry dude, but i call b.s.

It isn't unrelated. You wanted a video showing a BJJer having just as much intensity as a wrestler. I showed you that. I knew from experience (something you don't have), so I used one of my matches. I'm not going to spend time searching the internet for videos. I knew my match existed so I used it.

Then you said it was a fake. Why, because it doesn't fit your expectations? I never lied on this forum about my training or matches. Ever. You can clearly see that guy is Eric Noel. If your eyesight is too bad to see his face, at least check his hair color, his beard, his body type, his shorts. They all are the same. What will it take to convince you?

I suspect nothing will convince you. I'm greatly offended at being called a liar. You weren't in that match; you don't know if I could have had an easy single there. I actually was defending the takedown and pressuring into him too. You're just trying to agitate.

 

[anaconda]

Good to see that PeiMei is just as much as an idiot in the Grappling forum as he is in the War Room.

 

[Toujourpret]

There wasn't enough action for me. I would do Judo though. I love watchin karo.

I really think the thread should have ended here.

 

[anaconda]

Listen phile worshipper.

You think there is some majestical art to learning how to do that? You think if you have someone in the mount with their hands sticking straight up you need to pay 100 dollar private lessons to learn how to slap on an armbar? It's quite simple. I didn't say he could pull them off from intricate positions, or that he could slap them on like Fedor. You see it on t.v. you know how to do it. I said he managed to pull one off, a kimura. Jusr like Baroni, who said he saw it on t.v. after he had a sub vicotry by kimura. Omg grab the wrist with one arm, go underneath the wrist with the other arm and clasp your own wrist. OMG OMG OMG the detail.

Wow I missed this.

You are a fucktard, pure and simple.

 

[anaconda]

And just to be clear, i said i went to jj classes and it bored the piss outta me and maybe i'm homophobic but even after wrestling laying in someone's guard nuts to nuts ain't my thing. There wasn't enough action for me. I would do Judo though. I love watchin karo.


And you can call me Pee Wee all you want Mohammed, because his big adventure rocked.

you know what they say - the most homophobic usually turn out to be homos. Too bad youre so insecure about your sexuality (lose your virginity yet, ***?) that you cant learn how to actually do something useful on the ground. Oh noes, Im pinned!

 

[anaconda]

hey man, this started out as a convo about practicing a more aggressive grappling developing you more strength, which seems obvious. Then you posted that which had nothing to do with what we were arguing about. That has nothing to do with my claims of wrestling being more aggressive vs. jj which allows for passivity.

You posted an unrelated video with you beating a "state champ" I call b.s. there is no way what he displayed on that video were the moves of a state champ. Like I said that move at the start, the front headlock with his body on your right side, your head by his right foot, then he sticks that foot out for a trip attempt that made no sense. It was J.V. You could have had an easy single. No state champ makes that mistake or gets dunked by that fireman's carry. Sorry dude, but i call b.s.

lol. Why dont you post some videos of yourself douchebag?

Show us how awesome you are! (and of course how great of shape you are in)

 

[RJ Powell**]

I wish there was a wrestling club here in hawaii, but everyone is asian and cares not for wrestling.

Sad.

But there are craploads of MMA, BJJ, and especially Judo schools.

NEED WRESTLING!!!!

EDIT: and yes, i know there is a big wrestling following in japan, which is asian, but it isn't the same here.

 

[Adept]

One of the theories I have, on why HS wrestlers are in better shape than your average GJJ players are:

1. They're still in HIGH SCHOOL. They don't really work or have bills to pay, not as much as the average Joe, anyway.

2. HS wrestling is a school COMPETITION sport, right? So of course they have to work out like crazy. Same with our MMA team. There are two MMA sides at the gym. One side is designed for folks who want to 'just learn' or whatever, and the other side was designed for folks who want to compete in MMA bouts. I can safely say for sure, the latter is in way better shape than the former.

3. Again, it's already been said, but it depends on the person, not the art.

All these theories are just that. Theories.

 

[Balto]

how in the fuck can i tell if the guy in the pic is the guy in the video?

Look at the video of his face and compare it to the other pictures of his face.

I think you might have a promising career as a detective bro.

 

[pittfrog]

I don't know Eric Noel at all but if Jimmy/Frodo said he went against a guy in a tournament, he did. I know Frodo reasonably well, and he doesn't bullshit, it isn't in him.

PaMei, you're a fucking tool.

 

[blanko]

Originally Posted by PaiMei
Listen phile worshipper.

You think there is some majestical art to learning how to do that? You think if you have someone in the mount with their hands sticking straight up you need to pay 100 dollar private lessons to learn how to slap on an armbar? It's quite simple. I didn't say he could pull them off from intricate positions, or that he could slap them on like Fedor. You see it on t.v. you know how to do it. I said he managed to pull one off, a kimura. Jusr like Baroni, who said he saw it on t.v. after he had a sub vicotry by kimura. Omg grab the wrist with one arm, go underneath the wrist with the other arm and clasp your own wrist. OMG OMG OMG the detail.

as koichiro kimura said:

For now i've come to understand the enormous depth of gracie jiu jitsu. It's not simply a blend of wrestling and judo

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[UrbanFW]

It is true for my BJJ class that we do conditioning first 30 mins, drills and technique for the next hour, then 30 minutes rolling 6 - 5 minute rounds. However we will switch it up time to time.

You can't go full force every session or you can't practice new technique. You have to do drills at some point, especially for white belts.


Now on the other hand, an MMA class will be 15 minutes warmup/stretching an hour of rolling and/or striking(thai pads, hand mitts), then the last hour conditioning, which will include take down gauntlets and rolling gauntlets or sparring gauntlets. All very exhausting.

Depends on the school. But I have noticed pure BJJ classes tend to focus on technique drills the most and rolling at the end. But that is my limited school access (been to maybe 4 or 5 schools of pure bjj, and half a dozen MMA schools over the years).

 

[Corona]

my hs wrestling practices were pretty brutal... we'd jog for a few minutes, do 100 push ups and sit ups, stretch, then drill for about an hour or two with 1 waterbreak in the middle, Then we'd wrestle live in groups of 3 or 4 for about an hour, sometimes with the heater on and the doors closed... it would get hotter than hell in there. And when we were done wrestling we would do all kinds of conditioning for about 10-20 minutes straight, usually sprints, sprawls, burpees, bear crawls... basically anything you can think of, and if 1 person half assed it we'd have to start over... so yeah my wrestling experience is much more brutal than my bjj experiences...

but even so, when wrestling live i find myself more worn out than i do in bjj sparring, it seems like there are more scrambles in wrestling and less positions to regain your energy, the only time you could really rest in wrestling is if you are pinning your opponent.

 

[stllmn8j]

Wrestling practices are brutal.

/End Thread

 

[cab3rto]

i wrestled in high school and in college [i placed in states my junior year. senior year i took it and became an adidas all-american]

i also competed in judo through out high school [in hawaii judo is a high school sport]

and now im competing in amature mma bouts [thus i have to train in bjj]

in my opinion wrestlers/judokas have better conditioning over bjj practitioners

this is because the sport itself demands constant movement along with constant use of strength and speed ... in contrast to BJJ you have time to settle down and step up your moves .

also in wrestling and judo its easier to get called for stalling in comparison to bjj

 

[jerryseinfeld]

put it this way, one of the greatest wrestlers of all time's signature move was body locking a guy and throwing him over his head. strength and conditioning is obviously a much greater part of wrestling than it is jujitsu, simply because jujitsu is more technical. now before some idiot gets pissy i'm not saying wrestling isn't technical, it is, but nowhere to the level of jujitsu, and yeah a lot of their sessions will be taken up with punishing conditioning drills, whereas in jujitsu most of your class is taken up learning and drilling techniques as well as stuff like guard pass/defence drills and sparring. thats mostly about technique and how to apply it on a live, resisting opponent.

you can't really be a physically weak wrestler, whereas you can be a physically weak jujitsu guy. to a certain level anyhow.

 

[johil d'o]

Wrestling practice is COMPETITORS PRACTICING. To compare that to hobbyists learning and enjoying a fun skill/past time is beyond stupid.

Agreed -- this was well said and you made some other really good points!