Wrestling gets you in better shape than BJJ/Judo

Lets all just put everything into neat little categorical boxes so we can sleep better at night.
 
UrbanSavage said:
You're an idiot.

Wrestlers are generally in better shape because of the fact that all wrestlers attend conditioning practices to supplement their training and compete. Only a small percentage of BJJ fighters do this. Yeah, I agree, conditioning training does make you stronger and give you more endurance. The funny thing about that is, anyone who does that conditioning training can make the same gains, regardless of whether or not you train in BJJ or wrestling.

BJJ fighters also have to be prepared for every grappling scenario, haven't you ever seen a match at ADCC that ended up a wrestling match? Ricardo Arona vs Tito Ortiz comes to mind as a BJJ fighter vs wrestler where they were both equally tired by the pace of the match. Where do you get the idea that BJJ is passive? Just because you're not butting heads 24/7 does not mean that you have to fight passive while competing BJJ.

You say once a wrestler is in side control it isn't hard to mount? What the fuck are you talking about? Your wrestler friend must have been training with some pretty fucking shitty grapplers to be passing their guards, mounting them and tapping them with kimuras and americanas that he learned from watching TV. I don't believe it at all.

As a sport, BJJ can get you into as good of shape as wrestling can. The extra training is what gives wrestling the edge in athleticism, endurance and strength. Not to mention the much larger pool of people that train wrestling all over the world. Not only is it a much larger pool of people, they start from a much younger age than BJJ'ers do. You can hardly even compare a sport that is in just about every high school in America to a sport that you have to pay usually around $100 a month for and travel to on your own time.
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Who said americanas? I said he did takedowns that ended with him not being stuck in someones guard. I said learning a kimura and arm bar from t.v. can be done in two seconds. I said he tapped one guy out with a kimura.

Get what i said right before you critique it.

"Wrestlers are generally in better shape because"

Allow me to finish that for you.

Because wrestling gets them in better shape.
 
bacon said:
What do you guys hope to accomplish with this circular argument?
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Well Frodo wishes to win this pissing/chestbeating contest with precise technique and leverage, whereas Paimei is relying on his l33t conditioning and animal aggression.

they are both butthurt.
 
PaiMei said:
Who said americanas? I said he did takedowns that ended with him not being stuck in someones guard. I said learning a kimura and arm bar from t.v. can be done in two seconds. I said he tapped one guy out with a kimura.

Get what i said right before you critique it.

"Wrestlers are generally in better shape because"

Allow me to finish that for you.

Because wrestling gets them in better shape.
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Simply not true. The statement REALLY should be 'Competitors are generally in better shape than hobbyists'. All wrestlers are competitors, most BJJ'ers are hobbyists, Do the fucking math. All the conditioning training wrestlers do is what gets them in shape.
 
I said learning a kimura and arm bar from t.v. can be done in two seconds.
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As long as you are doing it to wankers who have never grappled you are right, add guillotine to those two, the third in the holy trinity of newb submissions, that despite being so "easy" to learn, never work from the tv/garage trained guys against anyone of comparable size with a few months of actual submission grappling.

Maybe you and the TS should hang out?
 
RJ Powell said:
Well Frodo wishes to win this pissing/chestbeating contest with precise technique and leverage, whereas Paimei is relying on his l33t conditioning and animal aggression.

they are both butthurt.
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I've wrestled. I've done gi and no-gi bjj. Conclusion: They're different and stuff.

BJJ guys will always say their kung fu is mo betta and wrestlers will say the same. The correct answer.... is 42.
 
So anyone else watching Aqua Teen Hunger Force? That Meatwad is a funny motherfucker!
 
UrbanSavage said:
Simply not true. The statement REALLY should be 'Competitors are generally in better shape than hobbyists'. All wrestlers are competitors, most BJJ'ers are hobbyists, Do the fucking math. All the conditioning training wrestlers do is what gets them in shape.
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As much as I hate to feed this circle jerk, all wrestlers are NOT competitors. Freestyle clubs are a LOT like bjj clubs. You show up, you drill, you go live, then you go home. Conditioning and strength training is done on your own time. Granted, most freestyle club wrestlers compete in tournys, but not all of them. Same for BJJ. Some of the guys have a desire to compete, others are just looking for a reason to get out of the house that doesn't involve golf.
 
As much as I hate to feed this circle jerk, all wrestlers are NOT competitors. Freestyle clubs are a LOT like bjj clubs. You show up, you drill, you go live, then you go home. Conditioning and strength training is done on your own time. Granted, most freestyle club wrestlers compete in tournys, but not all of them. Same for BJJ. Some of the guys have a desire to compete, others are just looking for a reason to get out of the house that doesn't involve golf.
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And what percentage would you say of the wrestling club has never competed in wrestling?
 
stlnl2 said:
What was the other guy's name in that Match?
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Yes, please share.

that front headlock with his right arm with the attempted leg trip of your left leg with his right at the start was obviously a move he used on the way to the top. I don't know how you stayed on your feet. Maybe he wanted you to get the single leg?
 
I guess I just go by folkstyle since I don't know much about greco-roman or freestyle. I've never personally known a wrestler who was not a competitor, though.
 
stlnl2 said:
And what percentage would you say of the wrestling club has never competed in wrestling?
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It can be as much as 100% or as little as 1%. Freestyle clubs are open to all ages. Last one I was in had about a dozen kids below the age of 7. There were about 6 of us competing. There were several older guys, some ex-wrestlers, some not. And there were about 5 or 6 of my wrestlers that couldn't compete due to jobs or obligations to other high school sports, but they still practiced.

On the other hand, my last "mma" classes were smallish, about 10 guys, and atleast half had either competed or were going to compete in the near future.
 
Just to be clear -

Both PeeWee and omgitsdick dont train bjj, but they are somehow qualified to talk about bjj.

on the other hand, someone like Frodo who has trained both, doesnt know enough about wrestling?
 
UrbanSavage said:
I guess I just go by folkstyle since I don't know much about greco-roman or freestyle. I've never personally known a wrestler who was not a competitor, though.
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They're popping up more and more as mma grows in popularity. Freestyle clubs are about the only place you can learn how to wrestle after high school.
 
anaconda said:
Just to be clear -

Both PeeWee and omgitsdick dont train bjj, but they are somehow qualified to talk about bjj.

on the other hand, someone like Frodo who has trained both, doesnt know enough about wrestling?
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If you haven't trained both, you can't really claim to have an informed opinion. It's like people who have never had a beer saying alcohol is evil. Or people who have never had sex saying you don't need a chicken suit.
 
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