Wrestler VS Bodybuilder massive size difference.

[Tephlon]

Nog isn't a wrestler though, watch Sapp vs Fujita (who isn't small but is small compared to Sapp).

But yeah prime Sapp fucks up Henry Cejudo.

And Sapp is not a bodybuilder as big as he was

 

[Mangar]

If you were a bodybuilder you would know this is true.

I am , I am also a master in anatomy, physiology, biochemestry and more.

 

[TallGHunter]

The smaller man. Manlets immediately identify with him. Anything else?

Forrest just eat your chocolates.

 

[aus101]

bodybuilders have no functional strength. it's not a mystery

Lol what? They’re strong, that guy moved pretty well, they just have no wrestling technique.

 

[XxanaxX]

Nog isn't a wrestler though, watch Sapp vs Fujita (who isn't small but is small compared to Sapp).

But yeah prime Sapp fucks up Henry Cejudo.

Friendly reminder that nog had his lights put out in that fight and regained his bearings mid-way through. That bout could have very well been stopped on several occasions.

 

[Magooglie]

But what about a bodybuilder vs a powerlifter in wrestling?

 

[Bamboozled]

It's misleading. Jay Cutler would destroy the HW division.

Damn right he would, but he isn't a body builder

 

[mmacasualviewer]

Damn right he would, but he isn't a body builder

Cutler would single leg Griffin, Bonnar, Franklin easily, GNP all day. Don't know about Anabolic Andy.

 

[AshiharaFan]

That's not true... obviously powerlifters and strongmen are stronger... duh.. but any pro bodybuilder will SEVERELY outlift a random person. They all do a lot of compound exercises, albeit in the 10-20 rep range.

As a bodybuilder his muscle mass is more of the sarcoplasmic hypertrophy type due to the rep ranges you pointed out. But that rep range (and the light to moderate loads which allow him to workout in that range) aren't the most conducive for strength gains. Chances are that the wrestler focuses strictly on strength gains when he hits the weights (heavy loads with low reps). So the muscle mass that he does have (though very little compared to the bodybuilder) is most likely more functional than the bb's due to it being myofibrillar compared to the bb's sarcoplasmic showboat muscles. The strength training that he does along with practicing his wrestling technique would usually be enough to evoke the metabolic adaptations he needs for the attainment of functional strength.

Kudos to you on the strongman training. I have a huge admiration for strongmen, powerlifters and olympic lifters. I think their respective methods of strength training are more relevant for us as combat artists.

I also agree with @Mo8_98 's distinction between structural strength and functional strength.

 

[Xaero]

It's misleading. Jay Cutler would destroy the HW division.

If Jay Cutler had cardio, he'd be the size of Urijah Faber.

 

[machidafan99]

ive seen this before but it's still amazing

 

[franklinstower]

ive seen this before but it's still amazing

That was my whole point in posting this vid. Not to spark a debate but just to appreciate the event itself.

 

[Grijswaarde]

As a bodybuilder his muscle mass is more of the sarcoplasmic hypertrophy type due to the rep ranges you pointed out. But that rep range (and the light to moderate loads which allow him to workout in that range) aren't the most conducive for strength gains. Chances are that the wrestler focuses strictly on strength gains when he hits the weights (heavy loads with low reps). So the muscle mass that he does have (though very little compared to the bodybuilder) is most likely more functional than the bb's due to it being myofibrillar compared to the bb's sarcoplasmic showboat muscles. The strength training that he does along with practicing his wrestling technique would usually be enough to evoke the metabolic adaptations he needs for the attainment of functional strength.

Kudos to you on the strongman training. I have a huge admiration for strongmen, powerlifters and olympic lifters. I think their respective methods of strength training are more relevant for us as combat artists.

I also agree with @Mo8_98 's distinction between structural strength and functional strength.

Completely agree and thanks for the kudo's (although i am in no shape or form a top strongman, just using the training methods). My point was that even though bodybuilders don't have strength as their core goal, some people tend to think bodybuilders have (almost) no strength at all. As someone who trains a lot with them i can confirm that is bullshit, most of them have a SERIOUS squat, deadlift or bench 1 max.

Then again what exactly is functional strength is up for debate and depends on the function we are talking about. It's not like a bodybuilder is completely useless when moving heavy stuff out of a home for example. His cardio is probably a limiting factor, but even then cardio is not a part of (functional) strength imo. l

So i guess we agree

 

[A.S. Deep]

Nog isn't a wrestler though, watch Sapp vs Fujita (who isn't small but is small compared to Sapp).

But yeah prime Sapp fucks up Henry Cejudo.

Rewatched Sapp/Fujita last night. Was crazy how easily Fujita single legged Sapp. Nog's mistake seemed to be that he focused a lot on the double leg, which got him literally piledrived. I'd love to see Prime Sapp vs. Modern LHW and MW wrestlers. I have no doubt that someone like DC easily takes Sapp down. No clue about Romero and Weidman, though.

 

[JustBleed69]

Nothing really surprising here for anyone who follows combat sports but still pretty entertaining to watch this wrestler just manhandle a freaking giant. Mods sorry if its in the wrong forum....

I love how the thumbnail shows 2 completely different guys from the video lol.

 

[JustBleed69]

this is functional. how many bodybuilders are doing such movements?

Lol so because they're moving things that arent barbells or dumbbells it's functional?

Functional is the absolute dumbest buzz word in the fitness industry. Literally every type of strength training is functional. It's all a matter of Functional to what?

 

[JustBleed69]

You mean functional strenght as in fighting strength... but if that is the criterium powerlifters and strongmen have no functional strength as well.

Imo functional strenght is being able to deadlift, squat, benchpress, shoulder press etc. Bodybuilders can do that without a sweat.

Every type of strength is functional, its all a matter of functional to what?

Squat bench and deadlift are generally functional for life and highly functional to Powerlifting.

 

[Grijswaarde]

Every type of strength is functional, its all a matter of functional to what?

Squat bench and deadlift are generally functional for life and highly functional to Powerlifting.

Agreed. I (almost) only do compound exercises but it helped me doing whatever movement that requires strength.

Apparently a lot of people in this thread link flexibility and technique to functional strength.. in some cases they might have a point, but imo that term is indeed up for debate depending on what is "functional" and what the function is.

 

[franklinstower]

Agreed. I (almost) only do compound exercises but it helped me doing whatever movement that requires strength.

Apparently a lot of people in this thread link flexibility and technique to functional strength.. in some cases they might have a point, but imo that term is indeed up for debate depending on what is "functional" and what the function is.

I really like this perspective a lot.

 

[AshiharaFan]

Completely agree and thanks for the kudo's (although i am in no shape or form a top strongman, just using the training methods).

Tbh, I want to start using their methods too. I've always admired strongmen and can definitely appreciate their training methods. Sand bags, kegs, logs, atlas stones, flipping big ass tires and pushing and pulling big ass trucks. If you ever had to fight one of those dudes and they manage to get a hold of you, you're fucked. I don't give a damn about the other guy having a 100th degree masters belt in the invisible death touch. His ass is about to be handed to him in royal fashion.

My point was that even though bodybuilders don't have strength as their core goal, some people tend to think bodybuilders have (almost) no strength at all. As someone who trains a lot with them i can confirm that is bullshit, most of them have a SERIOUS squat, deadlift or bench 1 max.

I for one would never say that they're not strong. Fact is they are strong as hell. You ain't pushing the weight that they're pushing unless you are goddammit strong. They're benching 250+ lbs, DLifting and squatting 300+ lbs. So they're definitely strong. The only thing I wanted to point out was the differences in strength between someone who trains for sarcoplasmic hypertrophy (like the bodybuilder in the vid) vs someone who trains for myofibrillar hypertrophy (possibly like the smaller wrestler in the vid) and the undeniable fact that one is going to be stronger than the other due to the differences in the way that they train. But, THEY ARE BOTH STRONG! Let everyone itt be clear about that. One is just going to be stronger than the other, that's all.

Then again what exactly is functional strength is up for debate and depends on the function we are talking about. It's not like a bodybuilder is completely useless when moving heavy stuff out of a home for example. His cardio is probably a limiting factor, but even then cardio is not a part of (functional) strength imo.

I guess that's a fair observation. By functionally strong I'm assuming that Mo8_98 and Tephlon and certainly myself mean Combat Functional. It's one thing to push and pull weights in linear patterns, but pushing, pulling and manipulating weight in different trajectories and multi planar movements is something altogether different. Those are the kinds of movements and trajectory patterns we deal with in combat. Combat (whether for sport or for your life) is never, ever, ever strictly push and pull in a linear pattern of movement. To me functional strength is the ability to apply that strength in all of these movements w/out skipping a beat, which Jay Cutler seemed to have failed at doing in the wrestling match. That's another reason I really am attracted to the idea of training like a strongman. They have the useful strength of bodybuilders to be able to lift a car off of someone (like a bodybuilder would) while also having the strength in mobility, bodyweight manipulation and movement to do the other movements with strength that I just pointed out.

But one thing's for sure; olympic lifters, bodybuilders, strongmen, powerlifters, gymnasts, crossfitters and calisthenics athletes are all strong to one extent or another, in good shape and have all made the decision to take their health and fitness seriously instead of sitting on their asses all day eating pizza and fast food and drinking a 2 liter of Diet Coke everyday. My advice to anyone is to pick your fitness modality of choice be it calisthenics, bodybuilding, gymnastics, STRONGMAN TRAINING, ASHIHARA KARATE (sorry, couldn't help but show some bias ), stick with it, eat right and take your health and fitness into your own hands instead of leaving it to the medical industry which doesn't have our best interests at heart.

So i guess we agree

Yes Sir and I appreciate the dialogue my friend.