Social WR Lounge v 263 so y’all are ok with hurting Sketch

[essie]

 

[Ruprecht]

cigarettes outside the US are supposedly way less harmful, from what I've been told. granted, they're bad for you all the same, but you're more likely to get more of a "tobacco experience" with less chemicals & all.

also, yeah, black folks do tend to smoke menthol, but it's not exclusive to them alone. I know plenty of people who prefer menthol & aren't black. when I first started really smoking, as in buying my own packs, I used to buy Parliament menthol lights. those were ok but I soon got sick of them & moved to Reds.

that's why it was super easy for me to quit cold turkey. if there wasn't a Red around, I simply wouldn't smoke. the fiend in me never was never desperate enough to smoke anything else. thankfully.

Locally Victorians are known for contaminating their weed with tobacco. Here in South Australia it's considered a filthy foreign habit.
Occasionally I'll still come across a social circle full of smokers, but amongst my personal acquaintances most I knew quit years ago. Even the older smokers. The numbers have more than halved since I was in highschool, and it wasn't even all that common then.

 

[Ruprecht]

It has nothing to do with social acceptability or peer pressure, lose a word from them and you got the reason why we smoke. Social Pressure.

Also GOOD SIR. I never went to college, but I've spent more time studying self medication than a doctor studied medicine, ya heard me? You're equating two different things. A cigarette and a deep breathe keeps you going as a functioning member of society, you don't just huff paint and go back to the exploitation of your body and soul.

Deep down are you talking about Aboriginals? I notice that about white Australians (which I know you're not) but it's prevalent back home in Oklahoma, when they talk about drunk Natives, or Cherokee huffing in Tahlequah. Australia and the United States of America stole everything from them, their cultural identity was rendered heathen but here in the US in 2013, a veteran of the US imperialist Army committed suicide every 65 minutes. Goodness gracious, I hope one day we realize that the English did what the Nazis dreamed of.

So a cigarette, a jerk off, a shot of whiskey, a song you love. It's all the same thing. We're closer to death with every keystroke, we can regulate cigarettes but not regulate sugar or high fructose corn syrup. The poor are more prone to obesity due to these things, and the Anglo virus is deep in us, so we pretend to believe in the virtue of the self but we shame the people we call fat, and we shame socialism, but we subsidize corporate corn.

Cigarettes are just lunch for the people who don't get a lunch break and won't speak up because they work in an at fire state.

A drag, a look up to washed out stars, and a deep sigh. That is the language of the worker.

No, I was talking about doing shit drugs in primary school. That's when everyone tried cigarettes, huffing nitrous, drinking essence, sniffing glue/butane, chroming etc etc. Although sniffing petrol is an old aboriginal stereotype, it was common enough with kids.
As far as work-a-day drugs though, again tobacco is just crap. It's not like dexies or modafinil where there's a measurable increase in productivity, or weed that just disassociates/depersonalises you from yourself and your environment.
Kinda weird you've got some sort of socialist/working class fantasy about it though. Considering the history of the tobacco industry. That's pure marketing BS.

 

[Andy Capp]

I had to walk 20 minutes to the bus stop to take the bus for 30 minutes.

Reminds me of this,

 

[Islam Imamate]

Damn, looks like Frank Abagnale is a fake (not what you're thinking):

https://whyy.org/segments/the-greatest-hoax-on-earth/

This story holds a lesson for the times we live in, Logan said: People should try to practice reflective thinking; they shouldn’t just believe everything they hear, but should instead interrogate unlikely claims that may come their way.

“Because I think many people, when they step back from this story and really take a breath and really think it through, ‘Is it possible that all this happened according to the narrative?’ And, it’s just not, it’s not plausible,” he said. “And so reflective thinking is something, I think, that is of extreme value to society right now.”

I think people are better at reflective thinking than he lets on. Its clearly a problem on some level given the spread of misinformation these days but I think that's mostly due to motivated reasoning where people believe things that reflect well on them or their in group or is politically convenient for them.

In this case there are no stakes here and no downside to believing Abagnale's story but when people stand to lose something then their reflective thinking kicks in. They'll be far more skeptical of the claims of a traveling vacuum salesman than the tales of Abagnale because they stand to lose money if they buy into the salesman's claims and buy the vacuum even though his claims are probably a lot more plausible than Abagnale's.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

If I get banned for the mask etiquette thread, just know. I fucking meant it. I have never been more proud of the working class than seeing this

To brag about putting a fucking minimum wage employee between homelessness due to unemployment laws and dealing with the lowest dregs of society. How fucking dare they. Seeing people throw hot coffee in the faces of rude customers, seeing fast food franchises close. The fuck did they expect.

I cried when I saw this video the first time.

Do you fucking hear her voice break when she quits? What a beautiful society we've created and really you have to hand it to them, right to fire AND you remove unemployment benefits if someone quits no matter the reason? Endure every single hardship, exploitation, and verbal beatings, because even if you're fired, the State will often side with the employer.

This is our time, and they're losing their homes, they're losing their businesses, their kids are being pulled out of private schools. They fled to the city to the suburbs but the chaos they left behind grows like weeds in their lawn.

 

[Andy Capp]

Those aren't values, though. Liberal values like preference for reason-based decision-making and belief in equal rights could lead someone to supporting those policies. But accepting those premises rules out some other views that you've expressed (like the Electoral College as it currently exists is indefensible if you believe in those two things).

There is a meaningful difference between supporting some leftist policies and having liberal values.



The current EC means that some people's votes have more weight than others, which inherently goes against the idea that people should be equal under the law. Liberalism entails protection of rights--some things are not subject to voting. But candidates losing elections because fewer people vote for them is not oppression.

I have missed a lot around here lately. Did you ever get a reply to this? I'm guessing immediate capitulation was not the result but I'm curious.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Interesting. I haven't ever really gotten the appeal of cigarettes. My friend told me once when I was going through a bout of suicidal thinking to try smoking when I felt lie hurting myself. I did this and instead of distracting or relieving me it made my mouth taste funny and turned my stomach. I found the sensation of having something on fire in my fingers to be powerful though and would let them burn down slowly without smoking. Candy flavored cigarettes seems like a really bad idea.

You're an interesting character.

I smoked cigarettes basically only when I was on shift as a bouncer. Started my shifts with a small robusto cigar and would have one or two cigarettes as the night went to stay awake.

If I didn’t hand anything out to people asking for a smoke a whole pack could last me a month or so of shifts.

I smoked for a really short time when I was really young, I was just curious. And yeah its a lot of fun but one time I chain smoked like nine cigarettes and the next day I felt a bit sick in a way I had never before, chills and weakness and stuff like that. I quit since the whole thing seemed really dumb in light of what I knew about cigarettes.

@Deorum I think it's a really silly policy. When I get tired I am more flippant and thought in the context of the previous conversation that remark was at the least mildly amusing. I'm sorry if it is going to have an averse effect on your life, it's bad.

Your post was on point.

Aren't menthol cigarettes a black stereotype? Seems tone deaf to single them out for a ban, although I absolutely support taxing the crap out of tobacco and spending the money on healthcare.
I never understood why anyone would smoke tobacco, it's such a rubbish drug and vice. Even chewing betel nut rates higher in my opinion, red teeth, mouth disease and all.
Likewise that absolutely disgusting habit of mixing tobacco with your weed.

I mostly agree but I think what makes cigarettes appealing is how convenient and subtle the effects are. Smoking a joint is fun but most responsible people aren't going to want to smoke a joint in between classes or on their lunch break at their office job. Imagine you were visiting family, what would be weirder to you? A guy who steps out to smoke a cigarette or a guy who steps out to smoke a joint?

@AgonyandIrony you smoke right? You also use other drugs like weed and cocaine but I would imagine you can imagine many times and places where a cigarettes is the far more appropriate drug just given the more subtle effects.

As far as mixing tobacco and weed, I will say while I am not a fan of the taste of tobacco, one time I had a pipe where the hole had overtime widened so I'd suck weed through which was annoying so I'd plug it with tobacco then place the weed on top of it. But I'd use very little, it was like a 25:1 ratio of weed to tobacco.

 

[Sketch]

If I get banned for the mask etiquette thread, just know. I fucking meant it. I have never been more proud of the working class than seeing this

To brag about putting a fucking minimum wage employee between homelessness due to unemployment laws and dealing with the lowest dregs of society. How fucking dare they. Seeing people throw hot coffee in the faces of rude customers, seeing fast food franchises close. The fuck did they expect.

I cried when I saw this video the first time.

Do you fucking hear her voice break when she quits? What a beautiful society we've created and really you have to hand it to them, right to fire AND you remove unemployment benefits if someone quits no matter the reason? Endure every single hardship, exploitation, and verbal beatings, because even if you're fired, the State will often side with the employer.

This is our time, and they're losing their homes, they're losing their businesses, their kids are being pulled out of private schools. They fled to the city to the suburbs but the chaos they left behind grows like weeds in their lawn.

Just stay out the thread man don’t reply to the troll

 

[essie]

You're an interesting character.

I smoked for a really short time when I was really young, I was just curious. And yeah its a lot of fun but one time I chain smoked like nine cigarettes and the next day I felt a bit sick in a way I had never before, chills and weakness and stuff like that. I quit since the whole thing seemed really dumb in light of what I knew about cigarettes.

Your post was on point.

I mostly agree but I think what makes cigarettes appealing is how convenient and subtle the effects are. Smoking a joint is fun but most responsible people aren't going to want to smoke a joint in between classes or on their lunch break at their office job. Imagine you were visiting family, what would be weirder to you? A guy who steps out to smoke a cigarette or a guy who steps out to smoke a joint?

@AgonyandIrony you smoke right? You also use other drugs like weed and cocaine but I would imagine you can imagine many times and places where a cigarettes is the far more appropriate drug just given the more subtle effects.

As far as mixing tobacco and weed, I will say while I am not a fan of the taste of tobacco, one time I had a pipe where the hole had overtime widened so I'd suck weed through which was annoying so I'd plug it with tobacco then place the weed on top of it. But I'd use very little, it was like a 25:1 ratio of weed to tobacco.

Yeah it was weird thing to say about the burning, sorry. I think what I mean is that when something is on a timer like that it focuses your mind to it. You can’t let yourself get wrapped up in your dangerous thoughts because you have something burning in between your fingers. Idk

Just stay out the thread man don’t reply to the troll

you had an all time great use of the escalated quickly gif though

 

[Islam Imamate]

Yeah it was weird thing to say about the burning, sorry. I think what I mean is that when something is on a timer like that it focuses your mind to it. You can’t let yourself get wrapped up in your dangerous thoughts because you have something burning in between your fingers. Idk

Oh no don't apologize, I actually found it to be an interesting thought and I think it does touch on the appeal of cigarettes and smoking. There's something satisfying about seeing, feeling, and hearing the cigarette burn as you take a drag. And the act of lighting it is cool too.

 

[Ruprecht]

I mostly agree but I think what makes cigarettes appealing is how convenient and subtle the effects are. Smoking a joint is fun but most responsible people aren't going to want to smoke a joint in between classes or on their lunch break at their office job. Imagine you were visiting family, what would be weirder to you? A guy who steps out to smoke a cigarette or a guy who steps out to smoke a joint?

@AgonyandIrony you smoke right? You also use other drugs like weed and cocaine but I would imagine you can imagine many times and places where a cigarettes is the far more appropriate drug just given the more subtle effects.

As far as mixing tobacco and weed, I will say while I am not a fan of the taste of tobacco, one time I had a pipe where the hole had overtime widened so I'd suck weed through which was annoying so I'd plug it with tobacco then place the weed on top of it. But I'd use very little, it was like a 25:1 ratio of weed to tobacco.

Could be cultural differences of course, and cocaine just isn't common here at all and costs a fortune.
Probably not most office jobs or in retail, but I do know a property assessor who smoked on his daily rounds photographing properties etc. Lots of programmers (one guy in particular could only program Cobol stoned because he taught himself to do it at uni). I also worked a number of shit jobs when I was in highschool and at uni where it was common. The joke at the factory was that "failing the drug test" meant you hadn't consumed the required amounts in the previous week. Tire fitting was another one. Every break as a kitchen hand.
Tradies lighting up noseburners in their utes on their way to the job is a regular enough sight at the traffic lights in the morning. Coming out of highschool, I don't think I knew a single apprentice that didn't have a car bong as part of their essential daily tool kit, with the exception of one sheet metal shop which was owned and run by a fundamentalist Christian. The guy that flushed the ceilings and walls for me upstairs (who funnily enough I knew from church) also stepped out for a cone frequently.
Weed was decriminalised here in 1987 and even before that noone has ever cared.

 

[BEER]

I mostly agree but I think what makes cigarettes appealing is how convenient and subtle the effects are. Smoking a joint is fun but most responsible people aren't going to want to smoke a joint in between classes or on their lunch break at their office job. Imagine you were visiting family, what would be weirder to you? A guy who steps out to smoke a cigarette or a guy who steps out to smoke a joint?

I smoke like a chimney, among all the other shit I throw into my body. The tolerance for nicotine is a weird thing. If I smoke a cigarette or two every hour or so, I barely notice anything (other than my mood remaining relatively stable), but if I go a 4-5 hours without a cigarette, it hits me like a brick. Almost like I'm completely stoned, but only for a minute or two.

 

[tonni]

If I get banned for the mask etiquette thread, just know. I fucking meant it. I have never been more proud of the working class than seeing this

To brag about putting a fucking minimum wage employee between homelessness due to unemployment laws and dealing with the lowest dregs of society. How fucking dare they. Seeing people throw hot coffee in the faces of rude customers, seeing fast food franchises close. The fuck did they expect.

I cried when I saw this video the first time.

Do you fucking hear her voice break when she quits? What a beautiful society we've created and really you have to hand it to them, right to fire AND you remove unemployment benefits if someone quits no matter the reason? Endure every single hardship, exploitation, and verbal beatings, because even if you're fired, the State will often side with the employer.

This is our time, and they're losing their homes, they're losing their businesses, their kids are being pulled out of private schools. They fled to the city to the suburbs but the chaos they left behind grows like weeds in their lawn.

How about you don't get banned instead? Or else.

 

[Sara]

Has anyone tried to put a cigarette out with their mouth

There are other ways to impress guys/girls with your mouth

 

[BEER]

If I get banned for the mask etiquette thread, just know. I fucking meant it. I have never been more proud of the working class than seeing this

To brag about putting a fucking minimum wage employee between homelessness due to unemployment laws and dealing with the lowest dregs of society. How fucking dare they. Seeing people throw hot coffee in the faces of rude customers, seeing fast food franchises close. The fuck did they expect.

I cried when I saw this video the first time.

Do you fucking hear her voice break when she quits? What a beautiful society we've created and really you have to hand it to them, right to fire AND you remove unemployment benefits if someone quits no matter the reason? Endure every single hardship, exploitation, and verbal beatings, because even if you're fired, the State will often side with the employer.

This is our time, and they're losing their homes, they're losing their businesses, their kids are being pulled out of private schools. They fled to the city to the suburbs but the chaos they left behind grows like weeds in their lawn.

We might be on the brink of the largest worker's revolt in modern history, and I'm fucking stoked that it's mostly young people saying "you know what, I'm worth more than this shit".

 

[tonni]

Oh no don't apologize, I actually found it to be an interesting thought and I think it does touch on the appeal of cigarettes and smoking. There's something satisfying about seeing, feeling, and hearing the cigarette burn as you take a drag. And the act of lighting it is cool too.

All I see is someone taking the most expensive route to lung cancer possible.

 

[Islam Imamate]

All I see is someone taking the most expensive route to lung cancer possible.

Overall its dumb but I just thought her take was an interesting one.

 

[tonni]

Overall its dumb but I just thought her take was an interesting one.

There's so many cheaper things to set on fire.

 

[Mr Holmes]

BTW, @Mr Holmes, in delayed response to your post in re neoliberalism (the "neoliberal agenda"), your definition was broadly correct. But it makes absolutely no sense that you would take issue with the Democratic Party not being left-wing enough and being too privatist, too pro-corporate, and too capitalistic while carrying water for the Republican Party, which is far more extreme on all those issues. The Republican Party is the undisputed engine of the neoliberal project and has aggressively pursued deregulation, privatization, de-unionization, upward transfer of wealth and power, and coercing the third world into predatory trade arrangements. The Democratic Party inched right in the early 1990s but has never come remotely close to the GOP.

However, my assumption, or rather what I think is the best bet that makes the most sense, is that you didn't have a coherent knowledge of what neoliberalism is when you made that post and looked it up after I called it out.

Although I guess one could earnestly argue in 2021 that the Democratic Party is more "neoliberal" than the Republican Party, given that the GOP just doesn't care about policy at all and its voters would gladly replace liberal democracy in its entirety with fascism if given the choice. Meanwhile, there is still some partial support for free trade and capitalism in the Democratic voter base.

I've got no love for the neo-cons either. And actually hate McCain more than anyone else (not because he went against Trump). I would certainly vote in any D over him.

And you can think what you want about me not knowing what I wrote. Truth is I was on my tablet in bed and starting to doze off. I know you hate jimmy dore, but I've posted this clip a few times before, his rant is a good summary of neolibs.