wing chun or muy thai for self defense

[vorpal_]

Who said anything about being superhuman? The actual quote was "Bruce looked at it and just went Bang, it shot up out into the lawn about 15ft in the air, it then busted in the middle"

While this isn't a common occurance, Bruce's explosive power was confirmed on several occasions from several sources. All different individuals from all walks of life. He was obsessed with exercise and working out, and for punching and kicking he routinely worked on a 300 lb bag to help develop his power as well. Now as to the quote you decided to focalize on, I think that there may be some embellishment, like the bag may not have been 150lbs and the height may not have been 15 ft precisely; but the idea that he could hit it and launch it isn't so far fetched because I've know 2 guys in my life that could do about the same.

I have broken a few bags myself with side kicks in my lifetime--never with a punch though. So what's so superhuman about it?

You seem to not just be someone that "believes in using proven styles" but actually someone that is "ANTI wing chun/Bruce Lee/JKD/etc." Why get your panties in a bunch over it? Some people achieved great things in their lives like Bruce, and others have been able to make Wing Chun work for them in application. So what?

YouTube - Bruce Lee Punching Heavy Bag

 

[vorpal_]

people who lump bruce lee and jkd in with classical kung fu make my blood boil.

bruce lee was balls deep into boxing, you ignorant ****s.

EDIT: and, what the fuck? the speed of a heavy weight and the technique of an amateur? have you been dropping acid?

i don't even know how i can still be surprised by the shit lee haters will say. ugh.

YouTube - Bruce Lee Punching Heavy Bag

 

[vorpal_]

until there is any video of him doing anything combat related that isn't entirely unimpressive, he's just a 130 lb amateur boxer turned actor who got a lot of 13 year olds to ride his dick

 

[MasterOfSparks]

people who lump bruce lee and jkd in with classical kung fu make my blood boil.

bruce lee was balls deep into boxing, you ignorant ****s.

I believe my EXACT words were

I can think of a couple of guys who started off with wing chun that some say are pretty good.

Those few that made WC work aren't even close to the level of fighting prowess that elite boxers and kickboxers have. It obviously makes you hit a plateau at some point.

Now, how the fuck can you call WC equal to boxing? Just admit its inferior, but you can make it work under right circumstances. When guys ask what is better for self defense it usually means the want to learn to fight in a shortest amount of time possible, not dedicate their lives to making broken martial arts work.

Its amazing how people will run their mouths about things they know nothing about. My primary style is White Dragon Choy Lay Fut Kung Fu. I only know a little about Wing Chun. But I know a boxer against a White Dragon expert in a no rules match isn't going to have a prayer.

Why?

Because the boxer has limited tools and limited knowledge. Granted his punches are going to have more power behind them since that's all they do. But the WD expert knows to stay away from them. Does the boxer know that 14 pounds of pressure across the bridge of the foot is all that is needed to break the foot? Does he know that a leopard fist punch to the xyphoid process will break off a piece of bone and drive it into a lung? Does he know about the figure 8 shaped bone in the groin that can be easily broken with a kick causing the opponents legs to seperate in full splits? You may as well tie the boxers hands behind his back and send him into the ring blindfolded. That's how much chance he has. A closed fist is a vastly inferior weapon against someone who is free to use open hand strikes.

So why don't we see more successful Kung Fu practitioners in MMA? Same reason you don't see anyone bringing a machine gun into a match. Kung Fu is for war. Boxing is a sport.

Now, granted, most Kung Fu stylists are weak on the ground. But take the rules away and let the KF man throw a rigid claw strike into the eyes of a BJJ expert while the BJJ is trying to take him to the ground and the BJJ expert will literally be fighting blind since his eyes will be dripping off the fingers of the KF man. And quite possibly dead since the bone that separates the top of the eye socket from the brain is only as thick and as strong as an egg shell. They don't teach you that in BJJ. But, again, I'm pretty sure that's a disqualification at UFC.

Fish gotta swim and birds gotta fly.

 

[MasterOfSparks]

until there is any video of him doing anything combat related that isn't entirely unimpressive, he's just a 130 lb amateur boxer turned actor who got a lot of 13 year olds to ride his dick

Was that supposed to be a joke? Or was it actually indicative of the kinds of things that go on in your head?

Nothing that happens in a ring with rules can be called combat.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

until there is any video of him doing anything combat related that isn't entirely unimpressive, he's just a 130 lb amateur boxer turned actor who got a lot of 13 year olds to ride his dick

Really? I consider the punching power he demonstrates on the bag to be impressive for man his size along with his finger tip strength and his inch power and his speed demoes.

He was a high school boxing champion and noted scrapper when he was young as well.

Granted in the big picture thats not much but im certain that is more impressive than anything you have done with martial arts so why are you bashing the man?

Oh thats right you're of the countless internet martial art experts i forgot.:icon_chee

 

[vorpal_]

Really? I consider the punching power he demonstrates on the bag to be impressive for man his size along with his finger tip strength and his inch power and his speed demoes.

He was a high school boxing champion and noted scrapper when he was young as well.

Granted in the big picture thats not much but im certain that is more impressive than anything you have done with martial arts so why are you bashing the man?

Oh thats right you're of the countless internet martial art experts i forgot.:icon_chee

YouTube - Bruce Lee Punching Heavy Bag

 

[vorpal_]

Was that supposed to be a joke? Or was it actually indicative of the kinds of things that go on in your head?

Nothing that happens in a ring with rules can be called combat.

YouTube - Bruce Lee Punching Heavy Bag

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

YouTube - Bruce Lee Punching Heavy Bag

Ah, so you're not going to respond in an intelligent manner?

Figures. I've noticed by your profile you don't even list what you train or what gym you are at or have trained at before. It's always amusing how the guys who know nothing or haven't done anything have the biggest mouths on here.:icon_chee

 

[nakmuay84]

I believe my EXACT words were





Its amazing how people will run their mouths about things they know nothing about. My primary style is White Dragon Choy Lay Fut Kung Fu. I only know a little about Wing Chun. But I know a boxer against a White Dragon expert in a no rules match isn't going to have a prayer.

Why?

Because the boxer has limited tools and limited knowledge. Granted his punches are going to have more power behind them since that's all they do. But the WD expert knows to stay away from them. Does the boxer know that 14 pounds of pressure across the bridge of the foot is all that is needed to break the foot? Does he know that a leopard fist punch to the xyphoid process will break off a piece of bone and drive it into a lung? Does he know about the figure 8 shaped bone in the groin that can be easily broken with a kick causing the opponents legs to seperate in full splits? You may as well tie the boxers hands behind his back and send him into the ring blindfolded. That's how much chance he has. A closed fist is a vastly inferior weapon against someone who is free to use open hand strikes.

So why don't we see more successful Kung Fu practitioners in MMA? Same reason you don't see anyone bringing a machine gun into a match. Kung Fu is for war. Boxing is a sport.

Now, granted, most Kung Fu stylists are weak on the ground. But take the rules away and let the KF man throw a rigid claw strike into the eyes of a BJJ expert while the BJJ is trying to take him to the ground and the BJJ expert will literally be fighting blind since his eyes will be dripping off the fingers of the KF man. And quite possibly dead since the bone that separates the top of the eye socket from the brain is only as thick and as strong as an egg shell. They don't teach you that in BJJ. But, again, I'm pretty sure that's a disqualification at UFC.

Fish gotta swim and birds gotta fly.

too bad we'll never know if a KF man can do all that ken shiro stuff against a real skilled opponent. Have you actually tryied to "stay away" from boxer's punches? Why should you be better at this than a boxer?
that's the difference between TMA and combat sports... TMA are deadly (in unproved fantasies), CS are effective because you've to fight for real, against non-cooperative opponents who're trying to kick your ass.
and yes, every child can kick to the groin.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

why do people exclude TMA from combat sports?

last i checked MT, KK karate, sanda and bjj are are traditional arts or came from one and they are used widely in a variety of combat sports

 

[vorpal_]

Ah, so you're not going to respond in an intelligent manner?

Figures. I've noticed by your profile you don't even list what you train or what gym you are at or have trained at before. It's always amusing how the guys who know nothing or haven't done anything have the biggest mouths on here.:icon_chee

nobody is going to waste time responding 'intelligently' to someone who seriously might have a learning disability. if you watch bruce lee hitting the heavy bag and still believe he's the superhuman every 13 year old has made him out to be, you're a retard. i'm surprised that you just aren't ignoring it because it's pretty compelling evidence that he was a sloppy 130 lb actor who established probably one of the biggest cult followings of completely unverified myths.

i do train, i don't see how not having information in my profile automatically means that i don't train

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

nobody is going to waste time responding 'intelligently' to someone who seriously might have a learning disability. if you watch bruce lee hitting the heavy bag and still believe he's the superhuman every 13 year old has made him out to be, you're a retard. i'm surprised that you just aren't ignoring it because it's pretty compelling evidence that he was a sloppy 130 lb actor who established probably one of the biggest cult followings of completely unverified myths.

i do train, i don't see how not having information in my profile automatically means that i don't train

Who said he is superhuman? Are you even aware of the definition of the word and what it would imply ?

But respond with the ole "ur a retard" remark. How classy

 

[vorpal_]

Who said he is superhuman? Are you even aware of the definition of the word and what it would imply ?

But respond with the ole "ur a retard" remark. How classy

Bruce Lee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lee could cause a 200-lb (90.72 kg) bag to fly towards and thump the ceiling with a sidekick.

would love to see footage of this or any of the other ridiculous feats that people claimed he could do. the only thing i've seen from him is that sloppy sherdog quality heavy bag video and his one finger pushup (admittedly, very impressive)

calling you a retard in this situation is very relevant considering the amount of bullshit you post on these forums. come on, your profile has

Interests
i like long walks onthe beach, poetry, ripping my shirt off and running in the woods bare chested at midnight,sacrificing canadians to satan, acting weird

in it. that is the type of shit 13 year olds put in their profiles thinking it's funny.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

Bruce Lee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



would love to see footage of this or any of the other ridiculous feats that people claimed he could do. the only thing i've seen from him is that sloppy sherdog quality heavy bag video and his one finger pushup (admittedly, very impressive)

calling you a retard in this situation is very relevant considering the amount of bullshit you post on these forums. come on, your profile has in it. that is the type of shit 13 year olds put in their profiles thinking it's funny.

Yeeeeeeeah that is not super human my any means. I could see if he was hitting it so hard he was putting his fist or foot through the bag then yes. Again please look up the definition of the word.

No it's the type of "shit" people put into their profiles who have a sense of humour and personality.But i'm sure if i resorted to chilidshly posting the same video over again and calling people "retards" like you are doing, that would really make me look mature and intelligent.

lol Do you even stop and think before you post? I would suggest you give it a try because i have the feeling you are not doing it fella.

 

[vorpal_]

you have the personality & general mind set of a 13 year old, what a thing to envy

 

[Jesus X]

My friend wants me to post this for him

hey guys i would like to know for a 25 year old what would be a better style to learn for self defense. wing chun or muy thai. i know muy thai is lethal and all but wing chun trains you to be quick and handle the situation fast. For muy thai you would have to train for hrs and work on it constantly but wing chun seems like something you can be doing when your like in your 70s or 80s please give me your reaons thanks

do wing chun so me and my MT buddies can laugh when you get beat up:icon_chee,BTW a mt knee end a fight real fast people stop trying to fight you when they take a knee to the body,knees hurt they hurt badly, like 6 months of MT is all it takes to beat the average person I been doing MT for 6 years,MT techniques are even more powerful vs people who don't know how to defend them or won't see them coming judo+MT is deadly on the streets I speak from experience.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

you have the personality & general mind set of a 13 year old, what a thing to envy

Well lets see, i ask you act reasonable and explain yourself like an adult and you refuse, resort to posting a video, and retort with the most cliche and simple minded insult one can hurl at another.

But yes you're quite right. You clearly are the epitome of a rational and intelligent adult man.

Feel free to carry on whilst i'm gone. I am sure the page will be filled with more inane posts from you when i return.

 

[Made In Canada]

Who uses fighting at 70 or 80? You need to carry a gun

but seriously go Muay Thai I see it being the most effective

 

[MasterOfSparks]

too bad we'll never know if a KF man can do all that ken shiro stuff against a real skilled opponent. Have you actually tryied to "stay away" from boxer's punches? Why should you be better at this than a boxer?
that's the difference between TMA and combat sports... TMA are deadly (in unproved fantasies), CS are effective because you've to fight for real, against non-cooperative opponents who're trying to kick your ass.
and yes, every child can kick to the groin.

I'm 51 years old so they didn't have MMA when I was a young man looking to prove myself. However my skills have been proven on the street. Once against a guy with a knife (I was empty handed) and twice against multiple opponents (3 on 1 both times).

Striking styles have their weakness against a good grappler. But then so does grappling have its weakness. It's useless against multiple opponents. If I'd have been rolling around on the ground with one the others would have stomped my head in.

As for why I'd be better at staying away from a boxer's strength than a boxer would be its because I have more options. Two boxers will stand toe to toe and go at it. I'll come in low and take out a knee or a foot. Maybe sweep the legs. At WD we are taught that the purpose of a block is to break your opponents arm. Those are options a boxer doesn't have. A boxer isn't even trained to defend against them.

As for training time Choy Li Fut was designed as the fastest way to take a farmer from a field and turn him into a lethal weapon. Everything at WD is designed to kill or maim your enemy. The first thing they teach you is to chop to the throat. Trouble is there are legal implications for that. And it doesn't translate well to the sports arena.

Martial Arts styles are like tool boxes. You have to be able to reach for the appropriate tool for the job at hand.