wing chun or muy thai for self defense

[Nefron]

OK. So we can agree that WC is inferior? Lol, I wonder why is the only tape that shows WC in a fight ridiculous...

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

OK. So we can agree that WC is inferior?

I'm not fond of debating which styles are inferior.

mainly because

A. I'm not fourteen years old.
B, i dont have an abnormally low IQ
C. I'm an actual martial artist not a pretend online one. Which probably can't be said for alot of you.

I'm more interested in talking shop and discussing and learning about different styles rather than logging on to post "UR STYLEZ TEH GHEY BRO 'U DUN KNOW WOT UR TALKNBOUT LOLZ KUNG FU GUY I DO MOI TIE ( I've noticed how so many of you can't even spell Muay Thai.)AN ITZ TEH BEST.IFU NO DO TIE OR GHEY AND DUMB.


The unfortunate thing is there is rarely like minded people on here so i resort to making fun of people like you instead.

 

[vorpal_]

A. I'm not fourteen years old.
B, i dont have an abnormally low IQ

it's amazing that someone as dumb as you are could be convinced that they aren't dumb

 

[Nefron]

A. I'm not fourteen years old.

And you still go to your daycare TKD school?

I'm more interested in talking shop and discussing and learning about different styles rather than logging on to post "UR STYLEZ TEH GHEY BRO 'U DUN KNOW WOT UR TALKNBOUT LOLZ KUNG FU GUY I DO MOI TIE ( I've noticed how so many of you can't even spell Muay Thai.)AN ITZ TEH BEST.IFU NO DO TIE OR GHEY AND DUMB.

Nobody in this thread posted something like that. We all made pretty good arguments, and the burden of proof now lies on you. You haven't debunked anything I said.

The unfortunate thing is there is rarely like minded people on here so i resort to making fun of people like you instead.

Please then, go post on martialartsplanet.com. That way you won't have your believes qustioned and you can have a circle jerk with all of the chunners and ninjas you want.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

We all made pretty good arguments

BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

.....Oh wait you're not joking :icon_surp


I hate to break it to you but no you haven't. All either of you two have done is act like two petty little girls the whole time you posted in this thread.

see this below for example.

And you still go to your daycare TKD school?

And really come on fellas if you're going to insult me at least put some effort into it. I don't think that is much to ask.

Please then, go post on martialartsplanet.com. That way you won't have your believes qustioned and you can have a circle jerk with all of the chunners and ninjas you want.

What "believes" have i stated outside of me saying you act like a simpleton and spend your time thinking about entirely trivial things when it comes to martial arts?

 

[TenderLoving]

Wow. How impressive. A couple of boxers square off with some people who can't even stand up and didn't look like they were even trying to fight. They obviously didn't have any skills. You know the problem with you and the other ass clown is that you don't have any common sense.

Ass clown? Really, I just gave you a link of people using boxing effectivly in a "street" situation. I made no argument about how it works against a trained opponent.

But the WD expert knows to stay away from them. Does the boxer know that 14 pounds of pressure across the bridge of the foot is all that is needed to break the foot? Does he know that a leopard fist punch to the xyphoid process will break off a piece of bone and drive it into a lung? Does he know about the figure 8 shaped bone in the groin that can be easily broken with a kick causing the opponents legs to seperate in full splits? You may as well tie the boxers hands behind his back and send him into the ring blindfolded. That's how much chance he has.

Looking at White Dragon Kung Fu I'd say a boxer still would have a good chance.



You talk about common sense, and clearly lack any yourself. Common sense dictates me to question the effectiveness of Kung Fu, from training WC and thinking it was the shit when I was young until I started training combat sports, and from the SIMPLE fact that noone can show me that it works against a struggling opponent.

 

[MasterOfSparks]

Your boxing against multiple opponents argument has just been refuted by the poster below you. Now lets see WC against multiple opponents in a real fight.

You call that shit multiple opponents? I didn't even see them fighting back. OK one guy tried to throw a kick. You think that makes him a martial artist?

Sorry but there wasn't a camera man around when I was fighting 3 muggers on my way to the Chicago Club in Tijuana. But it looked a helluva lot better than that shit. It looked more like this. Only at night and without the cops.

 

[MasterOfSparks]

This is totally unrelated but it was so much fun I just had to share it.

 

[nakmuay84]

Looking at White Dragon Kung Fu I'd say a boxer still would have a good chance.

jesus...

 

[Babba]

Bruce Lee hitting the heavy bag is embaressing. His form is absolutely atrocious.

This whole thread is fucking ridiculous and childish, please grow the fuck up.

Can a mod please lock it or educate the people posting? Thanks.

 

[Gorgenflex]

Muay Thai is better because it has realistic sparring situations (at a good school) and it can do real damage well getting you in much better shape overall.

 

[D Train]

I come from a TMA background. I trained in various styles of karate for 6 years. I did the competitions (and actually competed against a couple of WC guys along the way), I did the demo team, I was even an assistant instructor. I was all in. Then I trained MT and it changed everything.
My first class I tried to use some of my karate and got absolutely smoked. And I came from a karate school that did hard, continuous sparring, not point sparring. I knew my karate didn't suck because I'd done well on the tournament circuit. I really had to reevaluate everything I had trained. I made the decision to switch to MMA and I haven't looked back.
I've worked with some TMA guys since I made the switch and I'm just miles beyond them. This isn't bragging on my ability because I'm not that good. The reality is that, yes, some arts are, in fact, superior to others.

 

[Babba]

I come from a TMA background. I trained in various styles of karate for 6 years. I did the competitions (and actually competed against a couple of WC guys along the way), I did the demo team, I was even an assistant instructor. I was all in. Then I trained MT and it changed everything.
My first class I tried to use some of my karate and got absolutely smoked. And I came from a karate school that did hard, continuous sparring, not point sparring. I knew my karate didn't suck because I'd done well on the tournament circuit. I really had to reevaluate everything I had trained. I made the decision to switch to MMA and I haven't looked back.
I've worked with some TMA guys since I made the switch and I'm just miles beyond them. This isn't bragging on my ability because I'm not that good. The reality is that, yes, some arts are, in fact, superior to others.

Kind of tells you something about a person if they actually need a beating to realize simple facts.

Kudos though.

 

[MasterOfSparks]

Ass clown? Really, I just gave you a link of people using boxing effectivly in a "street" situation. I made no argument about how it works against a trained opponent.



Looking at White Dragon Kung Fu I'd say a boxer still would have a good chance.


You talk about common sense, and clearly lack any yourself. Common sense dictates me to question the effectiveness of Kung Fu, from training WC and thinking it was the shit when I was young until I started training combat sports, and from the SIMPLE fact that noone can show me that it works against a struggling opponent.

The point I was trying to make about multiple opponents was directed more at grappling where you take the first guy to the ground and the others would kick the crap out of you.

WD isn't really about sparring. That's something I wish they'd get more into. They don't even let you start sparring till you get to the green sash level. That's one of the reasons I cross train in BJJ is to get more one on one fighting experience.

A better way to explain WD would be to tell you about my lil adventure in TJ. I was on the wrong side of town (Zona Norte). I'm walking down the street one night thinking about the good time I was planning when suddenly from out of the dark an arm reaches around my throat in a choke hold from behind. At the same moment two guys come at me from the front.

Now if I was thinking I would have just given them my wallet cause they might have had knives and I probably would have been safer just handing it over. But to be honest I panicked. I didn't know what they wanted. Were they looking to kick the crap out of a gringo? I didn't know.

Well the first thing I did was turn my head to the left and tuck my chin against my left shoulder blade. That cancels the choke hold since the pressure is now on the side of the neck instead of the throat. A boxer wouldn't know that. I waited for the guy in front of me to get to the right distance and threw a kick into his groin. Timing is very important or the kick won't be effective. Boxers and grapplers don't train for that.

Then I stepped out to my left and dropped into a horse stance. My right leg then circled around behind the knees of the guy behind me and pulled him down backwards over it tripping him. I chopped to his throat and stomped his head into the sidewalk as the guy I had kicked (apparently not effectively enough) moved towards me. I used his momentum and weight to introduce his face to the side of the building.

The third guy I didn't have to fight because he took off in one direction and I went in the other. Frankly I was more concerned about the cops showing up. I've heard some really nasty things about the police down there and I didn't want them taking me to jail for fighting. I crossed the border back to the US as quickly as I could.

That's more what Chinese styles are about. I don't know how a grappler or a boxer would have handled the matter. I could be wrong but I doubt they'd have done it very successfully. I do know WD works in those situations. Here's a sample lesson for you.


And another. A boxer has NO chance against this.

 

[Babba]

The point I was trying to make about multiple opponents was directed more at grappling where you take the first guy to the ground and the others would kick the crap out of you.

WD isn't really about sparring. That's something I wish they'd get more into. They don't even let you start sparring till you get to the green sash level. That's one of the reasons I cross train in BJJ is to get more one on one fighting experience.

A better way to explain WD would be to tell you about my lil adventure in TJ. I was on the wrong side of town (Zona Norte). I'm walking down the street one night thinking about the good time I was planning when suddenly from out of the dark an arm reaches around my throat in a choke hold from behind. At the same moment two guys come at me from the front.

Now if I was thinking I would have just given them my wallet cause they might have had knives and I probably would have been safer just handing it over. But to be honest I panicked. I didn't know what they wanted. Were they looking to kick the crap out of a gringo? I didn't know.

Well the first thing I did was turn my head to the left and tuck my chin against my left shoulder blade. That cancels the choke hold since the pressure is now on the side of the neck instead of the throat. A boxer wouldn't know that. I waited for the guy in front of me to get to the right distance and threw a kick into his groin. Timing is very important or the kick won't be effective. Boxers and grapplers don't train for that.

Then I stepped out to my left and dropped into a horse stance. My right leg then circled around behind the knees of the guy behind me and pulled him down backwards over it tripping him. I chopped to his throat and stomped his head into the sidewalk as the guy I had kicked (apparently not effectively enough) moved towards me. I used his momentum and weight to introduce his face to the side of the building.

The third guy I didn't have to fight because he took off in one direction and I went in the other. Frankly I was more concerned about the cops showing up. I've heard some really nasty things about the police down there and I didn't want them taking me to jail for fighting. I crossed the border back to the US as quickly as I could.

That's more what Chinese styles are about. I don't know how a grappler or a boxer would have handled the matter. I could be wrong but I doubt they'd have done it very successfully. I do know WD works in those situations. Here's a sample lesson for you.


And another. A boxer has NO chance against this.

You've got the mentality of a child. You need help.

 

[TMMAray]

I think MasterofSparks failed to mention that his story only went the way it did because he got a lot of lucky rolls on his 12-sided dice.

 

[Too Defensive**]

That's more what Chinese styles are about. I don't know how a grappler or a boxer would have handled the matter. I could be wrong but I doubt they'd have done it very successfully. I do know WD works in those situations. Here's a sample lesson for you.

If you train for street situations, then you will be good at handling yourself in street situations. If you train yourself to eye gouge, ear rip, etc, then thats what you will be good at. If you train to box in a ring, then you will be good at boxing in a ring.

So its unfair to put a boxer and a TMA guy in a ring and expect the TMA guy to come out on top. Especially if the TMA guy is confined to punching and kicking

 

[MasterOfSparks]

I think MasterofSparks failed to mention that his story only went the way it did because he got a lot of lucky rolls on his 12-sided dice.

By which you mean that's the only way YOU could do it. Anyone who has actually been in a situation such as I described wouldn't make obnoxious remarks like yours. Have you ever even been in a fight? A real martial artist would look at those videos and see what he can learn from them. An ass clown will make stupid remarks. If you want to bad mouth a style examine it and show where it is weak. Obviously you don't know how to do that.

And I notice you still haven't offered anything of value to the conversation. No explanation of how a grappler can fight multiple opponents. No response for how a boxer could help but be completely dominated by strikes coming from angles and places they never trained to defend against. Or how a boxer can defend against arm bars, dislocated shoulders, broken knees, etc.

In fact the ONLY knowledge you've displayed is regarding 12 sided dice.

 

[Nefron]

The point I was trying to make about multiple opponents was directed more at grappling where you take the first guy to the ground and the others would kick the crap out of you.

First of all if you are in a fight against multiple opponents, you sure did something wrong.

You are making assumptions about grappling. In a multiple opponents situation the first thing attackers would do is to try to hold you while others hit you. Grappling will help you deal with that.

With good grappling you can use one guy as a shield. A good throw on concrete will probably end disable that attacker and buy you time to deal with the others or run. Grappling will also help you to get back to you feet.

That's more what Chinese styles are about. I don't know how a grappler or a boxer would have handled the matter. I could be wrong but I doubt they'd have done it very successfully. I do know WD works in those situations. Here's a sample lesson for you.

Sorry, but I don't believe your story. I don't actually believe you are trained enough to handle a single opponent, let alone kick that much ass.

Whatever, you said your peace, gave us your opinion. If you have any evidence other then compliant videos or your own unverifiable stories please post it. If not, it is best to stop posting in this thread. You are repeating the same old argument, and its getting quite boring.

 

[Nak Muay Farang]

Okay, it would depend on the schools around your area, I personally would go with Muay Thai, but having seen my father drop people with one solid hit, I can't really say that Wing Chun sucks. I was watching security footage from when he was on duty at the club and some guy runs straight at him and he dragon stomps the guy in the liver. He didn't get up. lol and while I'm still angry at him for not paying for my training because he resents me not wanting to learn off him, I still respect his level of skill.