Will Gillespie be Super-Khabib's kryptonite?

[MartinGibson86]

Um, lol, look up what he did to Abel Trujillo buddy. Not saying Abel is as good of wrestler as Gregor, but this is what he does to wrestlers.

And yes, he is, you seem to think wrestling is the only form of grappling, Khabib blends together like 5 different forms of martial arts for his grappling. He is literally leagues better than Gregor.

Abel Trujillo was an naia wrestler...literally 3 levels below d1.

look up what khabib did (or didn't do) against Tibau.

 

[mkess101]

This. People think that because something is written or spoken, it must be gospel. They fail to see with their own eyes how effect someone really is. Did we ever think GSP could possibly outwrestle Koscheck? A guy with no amateur wrestling titles was able to wreck a NCAA D1 champ, twice.

We've all seen plenty of champions from other combat sports who can't adapt their base to a real fight. Roberto Travern getting tapped by Frank Mir, Gokan Saki and Joe Schilling getting dusted......it may not happen all the time, but it for sure happens. Again, Gregor's wrestling looks better on paper than Khabib's since he's had the formal competition of American Folkstyle wrestling and accolades to back it up. However, Khabib has shown greater effectiveness and ability to implement his style in a real fight.

Seeing is believing.

Khabib has faced better competition obviously, but when has Gregor's wrestling looked anything other than dominant in MMA? Yeah he had to take Yancy down multiple times and grind him out with clinching and riding before he broke him, but he also completely shut Yancy down. To the point where Yancy landed ZERO sig strikes in TEN MINUTES of fighting.

Gregor has pretty much ragdolled everyone he's tried to in MMA. Again, admittedly he needs a step up in competition to see if he can do it vs top 10 guys, etc. but so far Gregor's "effectiveness" has been basically flawless with his grappling. He's totally controlled anyone he's tried to, and has never been threatened with any opponent's grappling. He's fought who he's fought, but he's gone through them with complete ease.

 

[Spookv]

I LOL at people thinking Khabib is fighting again at 155.

After suspension dude fights at 170 or retires.

He's made 155 in his last fights for the most important fights of his career, so no I don't think he's going to 170. I think having the title alone is the motivator for him to be more disciplined about his weight and eating habits.

I don't understand you sometimes, why do you want Khabib so bad to move up in weight as a Conor fanatic which that is what you are should clamoring for him to stay at 155 so he can get that win back.

 

[MartinGibson86]

khabib ragdolls ed ruth in the gym. don’t see gillespie being much of an issue for him. american wrestling is inferior to eastern european wrestling.

Nonsense. Way more American wrestlers have reached elite levels in mma than eastern europeans.

Bones, DC, Stipe, Brock, Hughes, Pulver, Weidman, Askren, Cole Konrad, Michael Chandler, Bendi...should I keep going??

Who are the eastern european champs again?

Frankie too...and the list goes on and on

 

[wufabufa]

Khabib has faced better competition obviously, but when has Gregor's wrestling looked anything other than dominant in MMA? Yeah he had to take Yancy down multiple times and grind him out with clinching and riding before he broke him, but he also completely shut Yancy down. To the point where Yancy landed ZERO sig strikes in TEN MINUTES of fighting.

Gregor has pretty much ragdolled everyone he's tried to in MMA. Again, admittedly he needs a step up in competition to see if he can do it vs top 10 guys, etc. but so far Gregor's "effectiveness" has been basically flawless with his grappling. He's totally controlled anyone he's tried to, and has never been threatened with any opponent's grappling. He's fought who he's fought, but he's gone through them with complete ease.

Like I said, seeing is believing. Until he looks that good against a top 20 opponent I'll reserve my judgement. He's on the right track but his window is closing at his age. Unless the UFC gives him a BIG push within the next year we may never know just how good he could be. I'm worried he ends up like Gray Maynard. Gray was easily undefeated during his first 5 years as a pro and then he fought Frankie for the 2nd and 3rd time, who while not being as good of a wrestler on paper and being much smaller, was proficient enough to nullify Maynard's grappling. I don't know if it's because Gray was getting into his mid 30's or what but he fell off fast after the loss to Frankie.

I'd like to think we'll get a chance to see Gregor fight a top 10 guy in the near future. Speculation gets pretty boring after a while. Someone like Daruish would be a good test, after that a real top 5-10 guy would be great.

 

[Mixedfights]

He's made 155 in his last fights for the most important fights of his career, so no I don't think he's going to 170. I think having the title alone is the motivator for him to be more disciplined about his weight and eating habits.

I don't understand you sometimes, why do you want Khabib so bad to move up in weight as a Conor fanatic which that is what you are should clamoring for him to stay at 155 so he can get that win back.

He had a seizure making weight last time. Now hes going to be a year older with a layoff and Conor money. I doubt his body makes the weight again. I could be wrong but I doubt it.

#1.I think moving up as a fighter is a true test. Especially if your missing weight/being hospitalized.

#2. I hate Khabibs fighting style and would rather watch him have to use stand up rather then wrestlefucking decisions.

#3. As a Conor fan it would be cool for him to get that win back but I'd rather see him vs Tony and Cowboy and maybe Max rather than Khabib. Just a better fight.

But I will admit I'm totally biased. I hate Khabib fights. They're boring as fuck. He also annoys me with hus stupid religion BS all the time...plus he pulls out too much. That Tony fight should have happened ages ago.

1 thing about Conor...win or lose he shows up and he shows up for the finish.

 

[weaponzero2k2]

I’ll reserve judgement until I see him against top 10 with proven TD defense before thinking he can beat one of the very best fighters in the world.

This

 

[old school 2]

You just saying "he's not the better wrestler" doesn't make it true. Gregor may well be the better wrestler. Just because you don't know what you are seeing doesn't mean everyone is going buy into your strongly held views. Gregor has yet to slow down in any 3 rounders even at his crazy pace. Maybe he doesn't have better cardio thank Khabib, but he might.

But saying he'd be "completely outclassed" in the wrestling is actually the reach. He might be able to put Khabib on his back. The only concern is size, Gregor may be better suited for FW.

Where I have said all along it would take a elite wrestler to beat Khabib (that is why Tony will lose), it is not to take Khabib down. It is to neutralize Khabib ‘s superior ground game and force a 5 round standup war much like Usman and Covington do at WWT against superior submission artists (Maia and RDA). A great wrestler with better striking can beat Khabib. Gregor doesn’t have the striking yet even if he could avoid the TD.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Nonsense. Way more American wrestlers have reached elite levels in mma than eastern europeans.

Bones, DC, Stipe, Brock, Hughes, Pulver, Weidman, Askren, Cole Konrad, Michael Chandler, Bendi...should I keep going??

Who are the eastern european champs again?

Frankie too...and the list goes on and on

i didn’t say there were more eastern european mma champs than americans and that’s really all you’re trying to refute my point with. eastern european wrestlers shit on american wrestlers overall. that’s not an opinion.

i have no reason to think gregor’s wrestling will pose much of an issue to khabib if khabib ragdolls superior american wrestlers on the regular.

 

[MartinGibson86]

i didn’t say there were more eastern european mma champs than americans and that’s really all you’re trying to refute my point with. eastern european wrestlers shit on american wrestlers overall. that’s not an opinion.

i have no reason to think gregor’s wrestling will pose much of an issue to khabib if khabib ragdolls superior american wrestlers on the regular.

Khabib is a fantastic wrestler/grappler, no doubt. Perhaps the best p4p combination ever

 

[mkess101]

Where I have said all along it would take a elite wrestler to beat Khabib (that is why Tony will lose), it is not to take Khabib down. It is to neutralize Khabib ‘s superior ground game and force a 5 round standup war much like Usman and Covington do at WWT against superior submission artists (Maia and RDA). A great wrestler with better striking can beat Khabib. Gregor doesn’t have the striking yet even if he could avoid the TD.

There isn't just one single way to beat Khabib. He's obviously great, but there are different avenues to get a win against him. Tony has tools that may well give Khabib issues. As does Gregor. As do some other guys.

That doesn't mean any of them WILL beat him, but it certainly gives them a chance. Some better than others.

 

[mkess101]

i didn’t say there were more eastern european mma champs than americans and that’s really all you’re trying to refute my point with. eastern european wrestlers shit on american wrestlers overall. that’s not an opinion.

i have no reason to think gregor’s wrestling will pose much of an issue to khabib if khabib ragdolls superior american wrestlers on the regular.

Khabib isn't ragdolling elite MMA wrestlers in MMA fights. That doesn't mean he CAN'T, just that we haven't seen him face any. I'll reserve judgement on how his wrestling holds up vs an elite MMA wrestler once I see him face one (if he ever has to).

Lately, the elite US wrestlers have fared pretty well. 3 world champs in 2018 vs 4 for Russia. Maybe that means the gap is closing, maybe it's more cyclical and the Americans are in a good stretch. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[Evangelion]

I don't think the Gregor that fought Medeiros beats Khabib. He controlled the fight, but Medeiros isn't a fantastic grappler. I am sure he will improve though.

Medeiros isn't a great grappler but has ridiculous takedown defense. Kind of like Gleison Tibau.

 

[Greco_Wiz]

No. His overall grappling isn’t as refined as Khabib’s. He needs better Bjj if he’s going to compete with Khabib.

Ben Askren is the only out grappling Khabib.

 

[Spookv]

He had a seizure making weight last time. Now hes going to be a year older with a layoff and Conor money. I doubt his body makes the weight again. I could be wrong but I doubt it.

#1.I think moving up as a fighter is a true test. Especially if your missing weight/being hospitalized.

#2. I hate Khabibs fighting style and would rather watch him have to use stand up rather then wrestlefucking decisions.

#3. As a Conor fan it would be cool for him to get that win back but I'd rather see him vs Tony and Cowboy and maybe Max rather than Khabib. Just a better fight.

But I will admit I'm totally biased. I hate Khabib fights. They're boring as fuck. He also annoys me with hus stupid religion BS all the time...plus he pulls out too much. That Tony fight should have happened ages ago.

1 thing about Conor...win or lose he shows up and he shows up for the finish.

#1 I tend to agree but more so I think the true test is a fighter, fighting every style, discipline that is available and still winning not just moving up in weight. He hasn't missed weight or medically unfit since a year ago, his past few fights he's made it. Seizures is kinda a null argument as anyone can have it, but the weight cut probably did have a effect. He still performed and look amazing so I don't know.

#2. You don't have to watch him fight, I personally like watching him fight as I'm more of ground oriented fan. So I can relate in what he is doing on the ground. I can see your point but it's all different strokes for different folks.

#3. As much as I come off maybe as a Conor hater, I'm not. I actually like Conor what turned me off was the whole fake it till you make it attitude then his weirdo fans took it to the next level with spewing bullshit around. I'm more real about it in what I see from his skills alone. I agree in that he should fight someone else other than Khabib, but remember it's Conor who wanted the rematch and his fans again hammered it up. He should fight Cerrone or Al to be honest. He needs a win, bad and taking another lost to Khabib would be another nail in the coffin for the brand he has made.

I'm neutral on the religion thing, don't care much whatever works for him.

 

[Greco_Wiz]

i didn’t say there were more eastern european mma champs than americans and that’s really all you’re trying to refute my point with. eastern european wrestlers shit on american wrestlers overall. that’s not an opinion.

i have no reason to think gregor’s wrestling will pose much of an issue to khabib if khabib ragdolls superior american wrestlers on the regular.

What an idiot. You’re as much as casual fan to wrestling as a “Brock GOAT” fan is to mma. You hear something about wrestling and spew it blindly.

The US is neck and neck with Russia and has been for the last 3-4 years. We beat them in 2017 worlds and barely lost this year. I think we outscored them in 2016 too, not sure though. Bottom line is US wrestlers are very competitive with Russia, and that’s in freestyle, which isn’t even what most grow up wrestling. And lol at just blindly saying eastern wrestlers. We crushed Iran and Turkey the last two years at Worlds.

 

[Mixedfights]

#1 I tend to agree but more so I think the true test is a fighter, fighting every style, discipline that is available and still winning not just moving up in weight. He hasn't missed weight or medically unfit since a year ago, his past few fights he's made it. Seizures is kinda a null argument as anyone can have it, but the weight cut probably did have a effect. He still performed and look amazing so I don't know.

#2. You don't have to watch him fight, I personally like watching him fight as I'm more of ground oriented fan. So I can relate in what he is doing on the ground. I can see your point but it's all different strokes for different folks.

#3. As much as I come off maybe as a Conor hater, I'm not. I actually like Conor what turned me off was the whole fake it till you make it attitude then his weirdo fans took it to the next level with spewing bullshit around. I'm more real about it in what I see from his skills alone. I agree in that he should fight someone else other than Khabib, but remember it's Conor who wanted the rematch and his fans again hammered it up. He should fight Cerrone or Al to be honest. He needs a win, bad and taking another lost to Khabib would be another nail in the coffin for the brand he has made.

I'm neutral on the religion thing, don't care much whatever works for him.

I appreciate the well thought out response. I understand some people like the ground game...but coming from someone who enjoys the striking thing thats just what I am a fan of. Gregor in the last event kind of opened my eyes but he finished.

Conor never was a fake. That is that dude.

He thought he could beat Mayweather in a boxing match. I 100% believe that he thought that.

His pressers with Khabib was an issue with me. He has been questionable before. I don't know at this point if he can lay the coke and booze down.

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

Being a 4 time D1 national qualifier is WAY more impressive than D2 champ in Frankie's defense.

From Gregor's Wiki:
"Born and raised in Webster, New York, Gillespie attended Webster Schroeder High School where he was a standout in wrestling, winning two state titles. He continued wrestling for Edinboro University, where he was a four-time NCAA Division I All-American and won a national championship in 2007. He was the first true freshman All-American in school history, and also holds the school record for most career wins (152), most wins as a freshman (40), and highest winning percentage (.917). He graduated from Edinboro with a bachelor's degree in individualized studies and a concentration in psychology.[3][1] He was an assistant coach at Hofstra University.

 

[MartinGibson86]

From Gregor's Wiki:
"Born and raised in Webster, New York, Gillespie attended Webster Schroeder High School where he was a standout in wrestling, winning two state titles. He continued wrestling for Edinboro University, where he was a four-time NCAA Division I All-American and won a national championship in 2007. He was the first true freshman All-American in school history, and also holds the school record for most career wins (152), most wins as a freshman (40), and highest winning percentage (.917). He graduated from Edinboro with a bachelor's degree in individualized studies and a concentration in psychology.[3][1] He was an assistant coach at Hofstra University.

Dude, wtf are u arguing?

u said frankie was d2.

he was d1.

inever compared him to gregor.

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

Dude, wtf are u arguing?

u said frankie was d2.

he was d1.

inever compared him to gregor.

My bad, I thought you were saying Gregor was a D2 champ. My bad, bro.