Will Gillespie be Super-Khabib's kryptonite?

mkess101 said:
Again, population means nothing in discussing this. The US is the third most populated country in the world and we didn't even QUALIFY for the last soccer world cup.

From a depth standpoint sure, per capita that region is way better. I agree. But at the absolute peak all those things go away. The best of the best US guys are equal to the best anywhere. As evidenced by them winning world championships. And Gillespie losing on pts to Burroughs in college shows (if you watch that match) that while he was certainly a shade below him, it wasn't that big a gap. And maybe had he stuck with wrestling he could have made that final step-esp at a lower weight class.
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what you dont understand is that the learning gap is not infinite if he stuck around or not maybe isnt important. most people have reached their limits at that level and if he doesnt have it then he doesnt. the difference between world class wrestlers and the gregors of the world isnt that big, but at the same time its so big that he will never fill the gap. its like ufc gatekeepers and journeymen vs world class fighters, theyre not gonna lose easily but hes also not going to win. anyway gregor in mma is impressive ill give you that hes probably the best wrestler in the division alongside khabib. but just like wrestlers in the eyes of sherdog are a bad match up for khabib. hes a bad match up for the askrens and the gregors. it goes both ways, ill add he has better striking/grappling than both. if the wrestling is equal then he beats em in two other aspects of mma.
 
kiley_sean said:
Man, I wish Ben Askren could make 155. He'd blast through Gregor and have him helpless in under a minute.
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Uh, that's why there are weight classes. With all the Askren hype, I wish Daniel Cormier or Romero could make 155. They'd blast Askren into another dimension within 30 seconds, but that's not how it works. That said, it seems like Askren could possibly make 155 if he lost his love handles and other baby fat.
 
mhyh92 said:
the population really do matter. you didnt qualify for the world cup means youre less likely to find talent in soccer clubs than you are in spain or brazil. are you this thick? a country of 3 million producing this many world champions is more likely to have people who are higher level than gregor in its gym than lets say china. you cant be this thick can you?? damn bro... the talent pool in dagestan is way bigger than usa. the wrestling gyms in dagestan are stacked with more talent than the best wrestling states in usa multiplied by 50 times. as i said how many champion ships did penn state of 12 millions have last championships? LOL... did u even go to school???
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You are having a very hard time with this.

Certain countries or areas may produce more talent per capita than others OF COURSE. Nobody, me included, denies this. But when you see Jordan Burroughs only have a total of 4 points scored on him during HIS ENTIRE 2012 OLYMPIC run and then see that Gregor scored that many on him in ONE MATCH in college, you'd have to be a complete idiot to think there are just dozens of guys out there in Dagestan that are WAY better than Gregor just practicing in the clubs. If that were true, NOBODY from anywhere else would ever win medals. You see, even though the talent pool may be deeper in the region you are talking about, at the very top end only one American (or Russian or wherever) qualifies for worlds at each weight. So the guy who may be just a shade under him is still world class level. Which means he's not losing to random good wrestlers in your Dagestani clubs.

I hope I made this simple enough for you now.
 
From what ive seen so far, Khabib beats the shit out of him. He is soo flat footed and his striking is so atrocious that Khabib would maul him standing. And he is not taking Khabib down at will or getting top position.

He is good, but not great.
 
mkess101 said:
You are having a very hard time with this.

Certain countries or areas may produce more talent per capita than others OF COURSE. Nobody, me included, denies this. But when you see Jordan Burroughs only have a total of 4 points scored on him during HIS ENTIRE 2012 OLYMPIC run and then see that Gregor scored that many on him in ONE MATCH in college, you'd have to be a complete idiot to think there are just dozens of guys out there in Dagestan that are WAY better than Gregor just practicing in the clubs. If that were true, NOBODY from anywhere else would ever win medals. You see, even though the talent pool may be deeper in the region you are talking about, at the very top end only one American (or Russian or wherever) qualifies for worlds at each weight. So the guy who may be just a shade under him is still world class level. Which means he's not losing to random good wrestlers in your Dagestani clubs.

I hope I made this simple enough for you now.
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he would be losing to random good dudes in dagestani clubs. nobody gives a fk who scored a couple of points vs sadulayev 20 years ago when he was 15 years old. there are loads of kids who get into combat sports as equal then one of them improves leaps and bounds while the other is just stuck at where he is for eternity. gregor wouldnt even step a foot in the olympics or world championships even if he wanted to. he would have if he could have. stop with your fantasies and dreams. the like of gregor clean toilets in dagestan. for every world champion or a russian national champ there are 50 guys who would school gregor who didnt even make it.
 
mhyh92 said:
he would be losing to random good dudes in dagestani clubs. nobody gives a fk who scored a couple of points vs sadulayev 20 years ago when he was 15 years old. there are loads of kids who get into combat sports as equal then one of them improves leaps and bounds while the other is just stuck at where he is for eternity. gregor wouldnt even step a foot in the olympics or world championships even if he wanted to. he would have if he could have. stop with your fantasies and dreams. the like of gregor clean toilets in dagestan. for every world champion or a russian national champ there are 50 guys who would school gregor who didnt even make it.
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Posts like this just make you look dumb. Why post this?

It was Gregor's SENIOR YEAR in college, 2007 FFS. Burroughs won gold in 2012. Gregor and Jordan weren't 15 years old, they were in their 20's.

Gregor was actually invited to the olympic team trials, so YES, HE WAS AT THAT LEVEL. He was also abusing his body with alcohol (and possibly drugs) to the point where he checked into rehab in 2010. Evidently he has not taken a drink since then. He also knew Burroughs was in his weight class, so the odds of him qualifying were not very good since Jordan was the best American wrestler at any weight at that time. So no, in the US he wouldn't have qualified. Because at the time, the BEST GUY AT HIS WEIGHT WAS IN HIS OWN COUNTRY. This is what you don't understand, or refuse to. Jordan wasn't just better than Gregor at that point, he was better than EVERYONE IN THE WORLD. Including anyone in Dagestan or anywhere in Russia. So yes, Gregor couldn't beat Burroughs. BUT NEITHER COULD ANYONE ELSE. Which means him potentially being the second best American at that weight back then means he very likely was better than these "dozens" of guys you want to claim would beat him.

I'm not saying Gregor would beat Tsargush obviously. But you are seriously just being stupid. If there were all these guys right there at that level, you wouldn't have the same Russians repeating. Just the law of averages would say that these guys would knock each other off in the trials and you'd almost never see the same guy at worlds. But that isn't what happens, because the best Russians are just the best, better than the others. And when Americans then beat those guys, it's logical to say the second or third best American could compete with almost anyone in the world minus the guys winning gold and silver medals.

Again, this isn't that difficult.
 
*beats Yancy Medeiros*
y'all: is he ready for the title?
 
mkess101 said:
Posts like this just make you look dumb. Why post this?

It was Gregor's SENIOR YEAR in college, 2007 FFS. Burroughs won gold in 2012. Gregor and Jordan weren't 15 years old, they were in their 20's.

Gregor was actually invited to the olympic team trials, so YES, HE WAS AT THAT LEVEL. He was also abusing his body with alcohol (and possibly drugs) to the point where he checked into rehab in 2010. Evidently he has not taken a drink since then. He also knew Burroughs was in his weight class, so the odds of him qualifying were not very good since Jordan was the best American wrestler at any weight at that time. So no, in the US he wouldn't have qualified. Because at the time, the BEST GUY AT HIS WEIGHT WAS IN HIS OWN COUNTRY. This is what you don't understand, or refuse to. Jordan wasn't just better than Gregor at that point, he was better than EVERYONE IN THE WORLD. Including anyone in Dagestan or anywhere in Russia. So yes, Gregor couldn't beat Burroughs. BUT NEITHER COULD ANYONE ELSE. Which means him potentially being the second best American at that weight back then means he very likely was better than these "dozens" of guys you want to claim would beat him.

I'm not saying Gregor would beat Tsargush obviously. But you are seriously just being stupid. If there were all these guys right there at that level, you wouldn't have the same Russians repeating. Just the law of averages would say that these guys would knock each other off in the trials and you'd almost never see the same guy at worlds. But that isn't what happens, because the best Russians are just the best, better than the others. And when Americans then beat those guys, it's logical to say the second or third best American could compete with almost anyone in the world minus the guys winning gold and silver medals.

Again, this isn't that difficult.
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as i said you americans are too hung up on olympic trials and shit. while olympic champions in dagestan are working grocery stores LOL. ofc you see the same guys because as i said the difference between the gregors and the sadulayevs or snyders isnt that big but big enough to never be filled by any amount of training. thats your problem, you think hard work would have meant gregor would be a world champ? guess what, talent is what separates those guys not hard work. they all work hard and the difference at the end is raw talent. yes gregor is talented and as i said he probably one of the best wrestlers in the division but when it comes to raw wrestling there are way better guys. as i said when there is a ton of talent, qualifying for the olympic team or world champion ships gets harder. if gregor was competing in dagestan he wouldnt be a big of a deal but hes competing in the usa where the talent pool isnt that big. the qualifications and trials of dagestan are tougher than the ones in the usa. as i said 500k are producing more than your top 3 states combined multiplied by 50 times. im taking the bet that competing there for a seat at the national team is 20 times harder? its like competing for a 100m race in the jamaican national team. or long distance running in the kenyan team or a seat at the soccer team of brazil. its not the same. youre building your point around a single match between gregor and jordan. guess what maybe if they do it 100 times jordan breezes through him 90 times and gregor comes close 10 times. are you not considering those facts? LOL, gsp lost to serra. sadulayev pinned snyder in under a minute is he that much better? no! he might be better than snyder but not to the point of getting a pin in 1 min. youre basing your entire essay on a single match LOL. jordan could have had an off night.
 
mkess101 said:
Posts like this just make you look dumb. Why post this?

It was Gregor's SENIOR YEAR in college, 2007 FFS. Burroughs won gold in 2012. Gregor and Jordan weren't 15 years old, they were in their 20's.

Gregor was actually invited to the olympic team trials, so YES, HE WAS AT THAT LEVEL. He was also abusing his body with alcohol (and possibly drugs) to the point where he checked into rehab in 2010. Evidently he has not taken a drink since then. He also knew Burroughs was in his weight class, so the odds of him qualifying were not very good since Jordan was the best American wrestler at any weight at that time. So no, in the US he wouldn't have qualified. Because at the time, the BEST GUY AT HIS WEIGHT WAS IN HIS OWN COUNTRY. This is what you don't understand, or refuse to. Jordan wasn't just better than Gregor at that point, he was better than EVERYONE IN THE WORLD. Including anyone in Dagestan or anywhere in Russia. So yes, Gregor couldn't beat Burroughs. BUT NEITHER COULD ANYONE ELSE. Which means him potentially being the second best American at that weight back then means he very likely was better than these "dozens" of guys you want to claim would beat him.

I'm not saying Gregor would beat Tsargush obviously. But you are seriously just being stupid. If there were all these guys right there at that level, you wouldn't have the same Russians repeating. Just the law of averages would say that these guys would knock each other off in the trials and you'd almost never see the same guy at worlds. But that isn't what happens, because the best Russians are just the best, better than the others. And when Americans then beat those guys, it's logical to say the second or third best American could compete with almost anyone in the world minus the guys winning gold and silver medals.

Again, this isn't that difficult.
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snyder just got whooped by another dagestani LOL. and he was asking for sadulayev.
 
I think Khabib would hurt GG badly standing. I'd like to see this fight , the styles match up well.
 
mhyh92 said:
snyder just got whooped by another dagestani LOL. and he was asking for sadulayev.
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OMG he lost a match! Take away his gold medal! One match completely validates everything you've said!

And didn't Snyder already beat Sadulaev in 2017?
 
mkess101 said:
OMG he lost a match! Take away his gold medal! One match completely validates everything you've said!

And didn't Snyder already beat Sadulaev in 2017?
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after moving up 20 lbs 10kg LOL what happened when adapted to the weight? 1min pin
 
mhyh92 said:
after moving up 20 lbs 10kg LOL what happened when adapted to the weight? 1min pin
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"Adapted to the weight", uh huh. Or, they are 1-1 vs each other, end of story. And nobody ever said Sulaev isn't amazing, so I'm not sure of your point? Snyder is world class, but it doesn't mean he'll never lose.

None of this means anything when you yap about random guy in clubs beating olympic or near olympic caliber wrestlers. That still sounds just as stupid.
 
American top level wrestling >>>>>>> Combat Sambo

Gregor will feast on Khabib, Bader style, if he fights Khabib.
 
Hard to say anything just yet. I'd like to see Gregor against a top 5-10 guy next. This could be a fun fight down the road but I'm doubtful it will pan out.
 
Bump for @superpunch, my brotha:

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