Will Dana ever agree to give Wand a % ?

WTF is the point of bringing up Wand/Tito again? I don't get it?
 
The ScorpioN said:
What about UFC 132? Wand was on the main card along with Faber and Tito, the card still didn't do that well.

Where is this myth that Wand is a huge draw coming from? He never did big number in the UFC, and at this point never will. He doesn't deserve PPV points, and doesn't deserve the 250k checks he's getting. While proven top 5 fighters like Okami get cut... Brilliant.
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http://www.mmamania.com/2013/3/5/40...ewers-ratings-record-silva-vs-stann-japan-mma - 485k Viewers, but not ppv buys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_139 290k buys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_132 350k buys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_110 240k buys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_99 360k buys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_92 1 million buys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_84 475k buys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_79 750k+ buys

Say what you will but clearly the buy rates have fallen since Wand came to the UFC in 2007, and he's still averaging good numbers. Not to mention he has earned 3 FOTN bonuses in the last 3 fights, has 5 total FOTN bonuses out of 9 total UFC fights, and has 2 KO's in his last 3 fights. He also arguably beat Franklin both fights and had him knocked out on his feet in the last fight as stated by Rich.
 
lockon said:
i think wand should. he's already doing his part in hyping the fight lol. but seriously fight has potential to sell a lot, so he should.
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Yah....thats what it comes down to. If some is headlining a card and is the main event, there should be a % of revenue going to that fighter. Regardless of how big a draw they are or how may PPV's they sell, 1% or whatever of 140,000 and 500,000 PPV's is still a percentage.
 
RapeChokeBDSM said:
So Wand declines the Chael fight unless he gets a % of ticket/ppv sales. Dana threatens him with retirement. Wand is still beating the drums of war. Presumably in the hope that the UFC will change its mind and offer him a %.

Wand has until 2014 to manufacture drama and hype up the fight. Do you think he's doing this in vain or do you think Dana & Co. might backtrack and give him what he wants?
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Most fans think Wand is scared. This is probably the biggest reason for Wand not wanting any part of Chael. Dana has nothing to do with it, unless he just feels pity for Wand.
 
Steve Blunts said:
http://www.mmamania.com/2013/3/5/40...ewers-ratings-record-silva-vs-stann-japan-mma - 485k Viewers, but not ppv buys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_139 290k buys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_132 350k buys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_110 240k buys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_99 360k buys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_92 1 million buys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_84 475k buys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_79 750k+ buys

Say what you will but clearly the buy rates have fallen since Wand came to the UFC in 2007, and he's still averaging good numbers.
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Notice how the big numbers are cards that have PROVEN top draws, like GSP, Liddell, even Forrest at one point... Wand seems like a regular draw at best, not good, not bad, just average. Average doesn't deserve a PPV %.
 
The ScorpioN said:
Notice how the big numbers are cards that have PROVEN top draws, like GSP, Liddell, even Forrest at one point... Wand seems like a regular draw at best, not good, not bad, just average. Average doesn't deserve a PPV %.
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That's the point though, the UFC wouldn't be putting these guys with Wand if it didn't boost sales.
 
The ScorpioN said:
What about UFC 132? Wand was on the main card along with Faber and Tito, the card still didn't do that well.

Where is this myth that Wand is a huge draw coming from? He never did big number in the UFC, and at this point never will. He doesn't deserve PPV points, and doesn't deserve the 250k checks he's getting. While proven top 5 fighters like Okami get cut... Brilliant.
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First off, UFC often likes to use Wand in foreign countries, aka, not the biggest PPVS.
They throw Wand and some locals on it and call it a PPV. Go check out how many he's been on.

In any form of bigger match with a good card he's been involed with huge numbers.
UFC 92 against Rampage: 1 million buys
UFC 79 against Chuck: 750,000 buys

Wand had the biggest PPV's of any combination of the Wand/Chuck/Rampage fights. Pretty impressive to be out-selling 2 poster-boy UFC LHW Champs in their own organization.

And what does that have to do with Okami at all? I agree with you about him though, the UFC is fucking retarded on a regular basis. They would rather pay $6k/$6k to a scrub off of TUF than a guy like Okami, or more relevant to the conversation: a big fight like Wand/Sonnen.
 
The ScorpioN said:
What about UFC 132? Wand was on the main card along with Faber and Tito, the card still didn't do that well.

Where is this myth that Wand is a huge draw coming from? He never did big number in the UFC, and at this point never will. He doesn't deserve PPV points, and doesn't deserve the 250k checks he's getting. While proven top 5 fighters like Okami get cut... Brilliant.
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I have wondered the same thing. Ask any casual fan about Wand, and they don't have a clue who it is. I remember his first appearance in the UFC with all the hype, only to get obliterated in 10 seconds. Then, his reappearance, he get manhandled by an aging Chuck. BIG DRAW?? Don't think so. SCARED OF CHAEL?? Most definitely!! Can't say I blame him for not wanting to take a beating for a few hundred thousand.
 
If anyone on these forums thinks for one second that Chael Sonnen does not or has never received a big undisclosed cheque on top of his earnings for how he hypes fights...Is a complete idiot.

I am sure if Dana tells Wand hell do the same for him in an undisclosed manner it would work for Wand.

Dana just doesnt want every fighter to start asking for it.
 
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Wand4Life said:
First off, UFC often likes to use Wand in foreign countries, aka, not the biggest PPVS.
They throw Wand and some locals on it and call it a PPV. Go check out how many he's been on.

In any form of bigger match with a good card he's been involed with huge numbers.
UFC 92 against Rampage: 1 million buys
UFC 79 against Chuck: 750,000 buys

Wand had the biggest PPV's of any combination of the Wand/Chuck/Rampage fights. Pretty impressive to be out-selling 2 poster-boy UFC LHW Champs in their own organization.

And what does that have to do with Okami at all? I agree with you about him though, the UFC is fucking retarded on a regular basis. They would rather pay $6k/$6k to a scrub off of TUF than a guy like Okami, or more relevant to the conversation: a big fight like Wand/Sonnen.
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If Wand's fights with Chuck and Rampage were main events, I'd agree with you. But those cards had GSP/Hughes 3 (huge fight, and GSP is a proven big draw) and the other was headlined by Forrest/Rashad, other superstars who are proven draws, not to mention Nog vs Mir right after TUF. So it's not about Wand drawing, it's about Wand being on a huge card that would have been a huge draw regardless.
 
The ScorpioN said:
If Wand's fights with Chuck and Rampage were main events, I'd agree with you. But those cards had GSP/Hughes 3 (huge fight, and GSP is a proven big draw) and the other was headlined by Forrest/Rashad, other superstars who are proven draws, not to mention Nog vs Mir right after TUF. So it's not about Wand drawing, it's about Wand being on a huge card that would have been a huge draw regardless.
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If you are telling me that people bought the Wand-Rampage III PPV in order to watch Forrest/Rashad, I literally don't have any argument back for you.
But Scorpion was always my favourite in MK. Good call.
 
The ScorpioN said:
If Wand's fights with Chuck and Rampage were main events, I'd agree with you. But those cards had GSP/Hughes 3 (huge fight, and GSP is a proven big draw) and the other was headlined by Forrest/Rashad, other superstars who are proven draws, not to mention Nog vs Mir right after TUF. So it's not about Wand drawing, it's about Wand being on a huge card that would have been a huge draw regardless.
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Idiot alert!

If you think for one second that Wand is not a draw then you are the biggest moron on these forums....BTW you do realize the UFC 99 vs Franklin was free for many areas of the world right?
 
ChangeIsComing said:
Idiot alert!

If you think for one second that Wand is not a draw then you are the biggest moron on these forums....BTW you do realize the UFC 99 vs Franklin was free for many areas of the world right?
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That post didn't mention UFC 99. It was about the huge cards that drew big numbers where Wand happened to be at the right place at the right time so to speak. UFC 92, Forrest Rashad Nog Mir (right after TUF). Dana White when asked who were the top draws in the UFC always mentions Rashad. And at that time when Forrest was number 1 and Rashad number 2, with the TUF exposure to the American audience they were much bigger draws than Wand. Rampage, yes he's a draw. He was a champ and dethroned Chuck, obviously he's a star. Wand? Not so much. He's average at best.
 
Wand4Life said:
If you are telling me that people bought the Wand-Rampage III PPV in order to watch Forrest/Rashad, I literally don't have any argument back for you.
But Scorpion was always my favourite in MK. Good call.
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Rashad and Forrest are much bigger draws in the states than Wand. I thought it was pretty obvious to anybody with a brain. Besides, Nog/Mir right after TUF for the heavyweight belt would seem like a decent draw as well.
 
Wand should feel fortunate to get a fight with a guy like Sonnen. He should be in a winner leaves town fight with Ed Herman.
 
tombombadil said:
jesus christ. different owners, different fucking century.....
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this i knew what title shot ts was talking about but i didnt join in 03 but that title shot isnt very relative quite frankly. i wish he got a shot during his 2nd run that wouldve been interesting
 
In these nubs defense that fight was forgetful except Tito turning his back and running the fuck away from Wand.
 
The ScorpioN said:
Rashad and Forrest are much bigger draws in the states than Wand. I thought it was pretty obvious to anybody with a brain. Besides, Nog/Mir right after TUF for the heavyweight belt would seem like a decent draw as well.
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Anyone with a brain?

Sure thing Mr. Derpalot, Forrest and Rashad are much bigger superstars than a globally marketed and trade mark branded legend of the sport for the past decade.

Can you direct me to the closest Forrest Griffin online store for merchandise?
Or can I sign up for a Rashad Evan's seminar in Australia? Maybe hook me up with the address for Team Suga' Fight Gym?

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