Why was Rhonda so hated?

[StopDucking]

This is what happens when Sherdog mods delete my threads; people start asking stupid questions.

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[Senzo Tanaka]

Overconfidence and unrealistic attitude. She thought she was so badass while beating girls not on her level.

 

[NatoHoro]

Let's break that down.

The "no-handshake" thing was messed up, I agree. I didn't like that, I don't know anyone who really liked that. They had some kind of a problem that was apparently legitimetely personal and she reacted in a way that was no good imo. So there's that one.

Things that Joe Rogan and Edmund said about her: you can't really put that on her. Rogan and Edmund are responsible for the things they say, and Ronda has little to no control over that.

Thinking she can beat everyone in the division with one hand: That's the kind of talk you're hearing from virtually every name fighter who's trying to market themselves, and her trash talk was pretty tame actually. Nothing in there about raping villages or anything, eating children, bouncing people's heads off the canvas. None of that.

It's pretty clear this is a woman thing. There's really no other reason for the level of venom she's received that's logical or warranted. There's something about a particularly successful WMMA fighter that makes people react even more strongly than male MMA fighters. Not that I think I'm saying anything groundbreaking here, but just the fact that people continue this grudge against her surprises me.

Nothing to do with WMMA. I love Holly, Amanda, Joanna, Valentina, Claudia, Cyborg.
Also, watch her interviews and Joe Rogan podcasts, everything that Rogan and Edmund say she endorses.

 

[thobra]

Everyone ducks Cyborg though.

I guess, but not everyone claim to be the greatest fighter of all time, that can beat anyone. This was her chance to prove me wrong... And the only girl fight I ever wanted to see.

 

[J0N0]

She's not, she's only hated in places like this.

Basically I think the mma community felt like she was one of them; she'd hang of with the cult favourite fighters like Cody McKenzie, and Nick Diaz; she was a Judo Gene student; she was always doing daft bits with Middle Easy and seemed a humble, approachable (not to mention attractive) super cool girl.. but then when she started getting famous she flipped from someone fans felt they knew and could identify with into someone who was just another 'famous' person who acted like she was too good for them and fans felt betrayed.

 

[azzwipe]

A good chunk of the hate is the idea that she brought WMMA to the UFC and a lot of people really hate WMMA. No matter what she did, there is a solid chunk of UFC fans that hate her because of that.

Pretty sure most hate comes from her talking about beating Cain and others while anyone who's ever seen her train with the men know she had no chance.

WMMA is great. I've always needed a piss break.

 

[JoshR86]

That really is revisionist history.

She was 4-0 when she dropped to 135 and when Cyborg wanted a shot at her. She had already started the drop to 135 when Cyborg asked for her (Dec 2011), another in a long line of smaller, less experienced fighters that Cyborg wanted to test herself against. She never went back to 145 because she won the 135 title while Cyborg was suspended and by the time Cyborg was off suspension there was no 145 in StrikeForce and no plans for 145 in the UFC because it was a long-running anaemic division. Cyborg killed 145 in SF by testing positive at the end of Dec 2011. Honestly by most people's logic, Cyborg is ducking Budd more than Rowdy was ever ducking Cyborg, since at least Budd and Cyborg are in the same division, even if in two different organizations.

There's a lot to dislike about Rousey's later UFC persona and subsequent disappearing act, but the Cyborg drama and storyline is more unflattering to Cyborg than it is to Rousey.

That's the reason I said controversial, yes that's true, except you forget that Cyborg was always a big money fight for her, there has never been an opponent that could've sold the fight like Cyborg, as a fight fan, it was an amazing super fight, which means a lot especially for WMMA.

Cyborg couldn't make 135lbs and almost died trying, while Ronda was happy beating soccer mom's and accountants trying to be fit.

 

[Paradigm]

Everyone has their own way of playing that game. Ronda was In that character all the time. In a lot of ways, that's what made her so popular. Conor Is popular for different reasons.

She's even said It herself, she's trying to play the villain. She wants to be a heel. Same thing Chael was trying to do throughout his career except Ronda pulled it off far more convincingly.

Shockingly, she's now pursuing a career as an actor.

Here's where your theory breaks down...she's a terrible actor, which leads me to believe that her MMA related act isn't really acting but a reflection of who she actually is.

 

[Monkeyyman]

I can't say I have seen much of Rhondas act but I recently saw the thing of her when they did the fist to fist photo of her and holly and honestly I thought Rhonda was being kinda cheesy

 

[BeeCee]

She brought is on herself simple

 

[BangersAndSmash]

1. She was a symbol of WMMA and by proxy she absorbed a lot of the hatred leveled upon that institution.

2. She became the UFC's biggest star for a time and brought mainstream interest in the sport from people who normally wouldn't care.

3. No matter how good of a grappler Ronda was, her striking limitations were pretty apparent and her sub-par competition was unable to capitalize on said deficiencies until Holy Holm KOed Ronda.

4. By the time of that KO Ronda had become a full fledged heel figure whose downfall Sherdawgz could root for. Her skills were grossly exaggerated by Dana and Co. Her dominance was built on a house of cards made up of soccer moms and accountants, and her attitude definitely made it appear like she bought into her own hype.

A lot of the hatred she got would have been dumped on whichever woman became the first dominant champion in the inaugural woman's division. There's no denying the rampant sexism of Sherdawgz.

However, she did have a heel personality where she made everything into "You're either with me 100% or you're against me 100% and you're shit." She also viewed all criticism as an attack on her, even constructive criticism, and that included the blindsides in her game which her yes-man coach didn't help with, and which ultimately led to her downfall.

Then there's Travis Browne a dead-eyed prick who crushed old legends using brute force and physicality rather than skill, and was generally disrespectful afterwards- "Bigfoot got lucky and made a name off me" regarding a fighter famous for beating Fedor.

 

[beastman]

People don't like sore winners or sore losers. Ronda was both

In addition her personality was just so fake and annoying. "Do Nothing B!tch" was pretty lame. There were some moments on TUF where I was just kinda like WTF are you talking aboot?

That said, she was an amazing fighter during her run. I loved watching her fight, hated listening to her talk.

 

[Sean Long]

That really is revisionist history.

She was 4-0 when she dropped to 135 and when Cyborg wanted a shot at her. She had already started the drop to 135 when Cyborg asked for her (Dec 2011), another in a long line of smaller, less experienced fighters that Cyborg wanted to test herself against. She never went back to 145 because she won the 135 title while Cyborg was suspended and by the time Cyborg was off suspension there was no 145 in StrikeForce and no plans for 145 in the UFC because it was a long-running anaemic division. Cyborg killed 145 in SF by testing positive at the end of Dec 2011. Honestly by most people's logic, Cyborg is ducking Budd more than Rowdy was ever ducking Cyborg, since at least Budd and Cyborg are in the same division, even if in two different organizations.

There's a lot to dislike about Rousey's later UFC persona and subsequent disappearing act, but the Cyborg drama and storyline is more unflattering to Cyborg than it is to Rousey.

Dana/UFC shills like you that constantly quote the company line are hilarious.

The fact is Cyborg is THE BEST WMMA fighter currently fighting. Her only professional MMA loss was one of her first fights. Any person with a brain knows Ronda was ducking her.....fact.

Great fighters fight ANY challenger that is capable. Ronda ducked then got exposed by two fighters who both have a similar style to Cyborg.

I would bet you are a Nunes hater as well.

 

[Topguntrophey]

New to Sherdog, huh?

 

[Sean Long]

1. She was a symbol of WMMA and by proxy she absorbed a lot of the hatred leveled upon that institution.

2. She became the UFC's biggest star for a time and brought mainstream interest in the sport from people who normally wouldn't care.

3. No matter how good of a grappler Ronda was, her striking limitations were pretty apparent and her sub-par competition was unable to capitalize on said deficiencies until Holy Holm KOed Ronda.

4. By the time of that KO Ronda had become a full fledged heel figure whose downfall Sherdawgz could root for. Her skills were grossly exaggerated by Dana and Co. Her dominance was built on a house of cards made up of soccer moms and accountants, and her attitude definitely made it appear like she bought into her own hype.

A lot of the hatred she got would have been dumped on whichever woman became the first dominant champion in the inaugural woman's division. There's no denying the rampant sexism of Sherdawgz.

However, she did have a heel personality where she made everything into "You're either with me 100% or you're against me 100% and you're shit." She also viewed all criticism as an attack on her, even constructive criticism, and that included the blindsides in her game which her yes-man coach didn't help with, and which ultimately led to her downfall.

Then there's Travis Browne a dead-eyed prick who crushed old legends using brute force and physicality rather than skill, and was generally disrespectful afterwards- "Bigfoot got lucky and made a name off me" regarding a fighter famous for beating Fedor.

Your logic is flawed. You said "A lot of the hatred she got would have been dumped on whichever woman became the first dominant champion in the inaugural woman's division."

Then why doesnt everyone hate Carano?

 

[Sean Long]

New to Sherdog, huh?

You see my join date but that doesnt tell you how long I was a lurker on here.

 

[BigMuffler]

Your logic is flawed. You said "A lot of the hatred she got would have been dumped on whichever woman became the first dominant champion in the inaugural woman's division."

Then why doesnt everyone hate Carano?

Carano wasn't a dominant champion the way Ronda was, she went 7-0 before losing as opposed to 12-0 and wasn't nearly as dominant in victory as Ronda who finished every fight most in under 2 minutes.

Also in Gina's time divisions weren't as established yet (Gina fought at 140 in EliteXC) so her opponents couldn't be hyped as easily as former champions and top contenders.

 

[IIIIIIII]

to me, what happened to her is what happened to tiger woods. they both portrayed an image that was really not them. tiger gave off the family man image, when he was a cheating man-whore. ronda portrayed being a badass fighter who never backs down and has mental fortitude. one loss, and she hides from everyone, and then proceeds to get finished within one minute in her next fight, to retire soon afterwards.

people respect people who are themselves, and don't apologize for it. the one thing people don't like, is being lied to. that is what both of these individuals did.

 

[BangersAndSmash]

Your logic is flawed. You said "A lot of the hatred she got would have been dumped on whichever woman became the first dominant champion in the inaugural woman's division."

Then why doesnt everyone hate Carano?

1. Look at her.

2. No one claimed she was a once ever athlete.

3. The UFC didn't make a division in order to sign her.

I didn't really watch MMA when Carano was around, but did people expect her to crush Cyborg?

 

[Paradigm]

to me, what happened to her is what happened to tiger woods. they both portrayed an image that was really not them. tiger gave off the family man image, when he was a cheating man-whore. ronda portrayed being a badass fighter who never backs down and has mental fortitude. one loss, and she hides from everyone, and then proceeds to get finished within one minute in her next fight, to retire soon afterwards.

people respect people who are themselves, and don't apologize for it. the one thing people don't like, is being lied to. that is what both of these individuals did.

Same with the God-fearing Christian man below...