Why is it considered "moral" to be communist?

[jimmas99]

I dont think i have met any communists at all, and i live in sweden for fuck sake. The only time i even hear about communism now a days is when china is in the news or when american right wingers want to smear social programs.

 

[Senkoy]

Communism is immoral imo. Taking from the hard working to give to the parasite is bullshit. Who would want to work hard if you'll be punished for it through heavy taxation when you can be a parasite instead and have all your needs met? Everyone would become a parasite, and with no one to leech off of, society crumbles.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Communism is thought to be moral by it's adherents because it's extremely simple, and hey, why should people be thinking about their lives?

 

[jimmas99]

Communism is immoral imo. Taking from the hard working to give to the parasite is bullshit. Who would want to work hard if you'll be punished for it through heavy taxation when you can be a parasite instead and have all your needs met? Everyone would become a parasite, and with no one to leech off of, society crumbles.

Wow is that your understanding of communism? Im not a fan of communism but my god that was awful

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

Philosophically, true communism means that you don't even own your own hands or body. Everything is property of the state.


Imagine people doing the same with Hitler?? The media would brandish them immoral and evil, yet the same media are cool with Stalin ... Why??

1-That's simply not true. Communism strives to be a stateless society. But even in a communist state there is still personal property, just not means of production in the hands of private persons. So yes, you can have your personal electric razor or radio, but not a factory.

2-Stalin never fought the west directly, and he didn't conduct the holocaust. Yeah, he exterminated the cossacks, how many cossack journalists there are? How many Kulaks?
It isn't just Stalin, you have a liberal political show called the Young Turks. These were the guys that genocided the armenians. Now, a show called the Schutzstaffel would probably be banned from youtube and added to the ADL and SPLC hate list.
The reason the national socialists are seen as the ultimate evil is because of the media.

 

[silicavaginitis]

Communists, Antifa rallies, Bernie supporters and pro socialists love to claim that they are "morally" superior to others. As if owning private property is somehow "evil".

Philosophically, true communism means that you don't even own your own hands or body. Everything is property of the state.

In our society, your own body is your personal "means of production". If you were born with a good body, and train and put the work in to become a good basketball player, then surely you deserve to make as much money as you can. Similarly, if you are born with a good brain, surely you have the right to use that brain to better yourself?

It's crazy that you can have a communist flag, show pictures and placards of Stalin, Mao and Marx proudly and not get called up on shit. These people killed way more people than Hitler ever did.

If you March down the streets with Hitler placards and swaztikas, you would be arrested and deemed immoral and evil by everyone. Yet, antifa march with hammer and sickle and Stalin posters and claim to be more "moral" than everyone. No-one ever calls them up on it. It's bullshit.


This is London, 1st of May, 2017

How is this cool?? How is this even possible??

Imagine people doing the same with Hitler?? The media would brandish them immoral and evil, yet the same media are cool with Stalin ... Why??

Because liberals are idiots?
Isn't Valerie Jarratt a card carrying communist?

 

[superpunch]

Mainly because the right is continuously doing evil shit like taking out pre-existing conditions. They come across like Darth Vader.

So people just assume the opposite must be good, which isn't true.

 

[AviatorShades]

I would compare them to deeply religious people in the sense that all of their morality revolves around this idea of a creator, who merely bestows conditions upon human populations as a matter of luck. In the communist context this is the hand of the state and in (conventional) religion the hand of God.

It's very difficult to introduce them to the concept of specific human efforts creating entire markets for items which had no inherent value to begin with, and the need for incentives.

The same is true of the Marxist dumbing-down of the social sciences. They attempt to portray society as an alternative to biology rather than a direct extension of biology. Society -- in this context replacing God -- has no precursors and inequality within it is thus a 'social problem' that needs to be ironed out via brute force.

On the fundamental psychological level it all comes down to an irresistible tendency towards envy. Hence the fixation on relative progress (aka equality -- making sure nobody is perceived as better) as opposed to absolute progress.

The most mind-blowing reading for a communist wouldn't be Ayn Rand. It would be E.O. Wilson. Understanding the relationship between a long-term environment, the adaptations of a population, and the short-term environment that population is then able to create according to its own capacities would really help them to break through the idea of global uniformity and the idea that one ape discovered a pile of gold -- with inherent magical value -- then animorphed into a man in a top hat and monocle and made everyone else feel bad about themselves. Their simplistic spectrum of 'fairness' would change into a desire to understand the fragile lineages of functional civilizations and preservation methods.

 

[ReAnimator Reagan]

Communists, Antifa rallies, Bernie supporters and pro socialists love to claim that they are "morally" superior to others. As if owning private property is somehow "evil".

Philosophically, true communism means that you don't even own your own hands or body. Everything is property of the state.

In our society, your own body is your personal "means of production". If you were born with a good body, and train and put the work in to become a good basketball player, then surely you deserve to make as much money as you can. Similarly, if you are born with a good brain, surely you have the right to use that brain to better yourself?

It's crazy that you can have a communist flag, show pictures and placards of Stalin, Mao and Marx proudly and not get called up on shit. These people killed way more people than Hitler ever did.

If you March down the streets with Hitler placards and swaztikas, you would be arrested and deemed immoral and evil by everyone. Yet, antifa march with hammer and sickle and Stalin posters and claim to be more "moral" than everyone. No-one ever calls them up on it. It's bullshit.


This is London, 1st of May, 2017

How is this cool?? How is this even possible??

Imagine people doing the same with Hitler?? The media would brandish them immoral and evil, yet the same media are cool with Stalin ... Why??

No such thing as a moral communist. They are all pieces of shit. Stalin MURDERED more people than Hitler did by millions.

 

[EmpireShallFall]

Philosophically, true communism means that you don't even own your own hands or body. Everything is property of the state.

Yeahhh, that's not how it works at all. In true communism there is no state.

 

[HomerThompson]

Communism is immoral imo. Taking from the hard working to give to the parasite is bullshit. Who would want to work hard if you'll be punished for it through heavy taxation when you can be a parasite instead and have all your needs met? Everyone would become a parasite, and with no one to leech off of, society crumbles.

Derp.

 

[Lex Bigelow]

The Bolsheviks killed the czars kids. Anastasia and the prince. Threw em in a shallow ditch. It was the tidiest way to usher in a brighter day.

 

[ShinkanPo]

I just don't understand how you can march down the streets with a Stalin poster and the mainstream opinion is cool with it and "they have a good heart".

I dont understand it too...

 

[7437]

Whenever people claim their political belief is the "moral" one, you immediately know you're talking to an idiot. I've seen people say this on both sides of the fence. I'm a libertarian but whenever I hear someone call libertarianism the "moral" choice or a "perfect system", I cringe.

As opposed to someone who says thry are for the immoral choice?

 

[Possum Jenkins]

It isn't just Stalin, you have a liberal political show called the Young Turks. These were the guys that genocided the armenians. Now, a show called the Schutzstaffel would probably be banned from youtube and added to the ADL and SPLC hate list.
The reason the national socialists are seen as the ultimate evil is because of the media.

"The Founding Fathers" are (almost) universally admired in the US. Among the right, they're downright worshiped.

And they "genocided" the Native Americans. At least tried to as much as they could. The only reason they didn't complete the job was because of the technology of the time.

Guess what, political groups do lots of things, both noble and terrible. You have to kinda pick and choose which comes out ahead, how noble their intentions were, etc. I mean, the Nazis improved lives for most Germans up through the 1930s. Hitler was amazingly popular because of this.

But the bad stuff they did was so bad they're almost universally condemned.

 

[HomerThompson]

"The Founding Fathers" are (almost) universally admired in the US. Among the right, they're downright worshiped.

And they "genocided" the Native Americans. At least tried to as much as they could. The only reason they didn't complete the job was because of the technology of the time.

Guess what, political groups do lots of things, both noble and terrible. You have to kinda pick and choose which comes out ahead, how noble their intentions were, etc. I mean, the Nazis improved lives for most Germans up through the 1930s. Hitler was amazingly popular because of this.

But the bad stuff they did was so bad they're almost universally condemned.

Also, they lost the war, which is really the biggest mistake they made(in the eyes of history). If the Axis powers had won we'd be hearing nonstop about the fire bombings of Dresden and Tokyo, etc.

 

[asharak]

Because Stalin's (and Mao's, for that matter) massacres took place a little further into the East. We all know that the human value of people in the East is a little bit less than those in the West.

Sure, bring up Mao, but not Jiang Jieshi(Chiang Kai-shek, not that most Americans know about him anyway)
At any rate, who was Mao responsible for massacring?
Since you're likely blaming him for a natural disaster(which is estimated as being 70% natural, 30% man-made), we may as well blame all those christian capitalist leaders in europe for losing 45-50% of their actual population to the black death. Far worse than Mao losing between 2 and 10% of his population to "premature deaths." China's Population increased by 20 Million over that period, while europe's population dropped by 50-75 million. Mao's policies that you're blaming for this had reduced the death rate in half since taking power, and it still didn't reach the levels it was at before China stepped out from the feudal state it was before the communists liberated it.

No such thing as a moral communist. They are all pieces of shit. Stalin MURDERED more people than Hitler did by millions.

No such thing as a moral white christian capitalist either(slave trade was responsible for even more deaths).

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Also, they lost the war, which is really the biggest mistake they made(in the eyes of history). If the Axis powers had won we'd be hearing nonstop about the fire bombings of Dresden and Tokyo, etc.

Exactly.

In the West we've made them out to be these irrational orcs that were out to murder everything in their paths but they actually had well-articulated arguments for their aggression. I mean, the Nazis had collaborators in every country they invaded so they just said they were supporting legitimate governments, not invading.

And in France at least, they were technically right. Vichy was more legitimate than a lot of governments the US has propped up over the years.

 

[TheGreatA]

Sure, bring up Mao, but not Jiang Jieshi(Chiang Kai-shek, not that most Americans know about him anyway)
At any rate, who was Mao responsible for massacring?
Since you're likely blaming him for a natural disaster(which is estimated as being 70% natural, 30% man-made), we may as well blame all those christian capitalist leaders in europe for losing 45-50% of their actual population to the black death. Far worse than Mao losing between 2 and 10% of his population to "premature deaths." China's Population increased by 20 Million over that period, while europe's population dropped by 50-75 million. Mao's policies that you're blaming for this had reduced the death rate in half since taking power, and it still didn't reach the levels it was at before China stepped out from the feudal state it was before the communists liberated it.


No such thing as a moral white christian capitalist either(slave trade was responsible for even more deaths).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward#Deaths_by_violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_to_Suppress_Counterrevolutionaries#Deaths
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landlord_Classicide_under_Mao_Zedong#Killings

 

[ultramanhyata]

This is London, 1st of May, 2017

I can only pray to God these goofs are trolling.

If not, they're playing right into the hands of the historically illiterate conservatives and libertarians who constantly conflate communism and Soviet totalitarianism.