Why is it considered "moral" to be communist?

[ultramanhyata]

Because their mantra is "contribute according to your ability and take according to your needs"

Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common.

And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all.

Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need. Acts 4:32-35

 

[asharak]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward#Deaths_by_violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_to_Suppress_Counterrevolutionaries#Deaths
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landlord_Classicide_under_Mao_Zedong#Killings

your links don't really link anything to Mao and the central government.

The first one talks about 2.5-3 million dying from violence at the hands of party members and militias while up to 42 million died as a result of the famine. So according to one source that wrote a book in 2010, 6% of the people who died prematurely during a natural disaster in a state that had been feudal ~10 years before this were killed/executed for crimes. Man, that really seems like it was a vast conspiracy to kill very specific people.

The second one talks about the opposition claiming that up to 2 million(.03% of the population) were killed over the first 4 years for being part of Jiang Jieshi's Guomintang. This can still be related to the war, and the central government ordered this to stop. They took back the power to arrest/execute from local governments halfway through all the claimed killings(which, of course, come from the opposition in cross-straits china).

The third link gives an estimate of 1 million killed by enraged peasants. So, less than 1/1000th of the population is estimated to have been killed by unorganized peasants during the revolution to bring the country out of feudal times. Of course, this is what you focus on.

 

[Trotsky]

Here is the picture I was referring to:



This is London, 1st of May, 2017

How is this cool?? How is this even possible??

Imagine people doing the same with Hitler?? The media would brandish them immoral and evil, yet the same media are cool with Stalin ... Why??

What makes me laugh is most of the people carrying the "mass produced" flags, and wearing their mass-produced "communist t-shirts", live in a house with running hot water and the internet connection. They ARE RICH. In the great scheme of things, they are the very "evil" they are protesting against. Why don't they put their money where their mouth is and give all their money and property to the state?

Stalinism is not cool.

However, your argument is a straw man. Was Che Guevara not a proper communist because he bought clothes and shot guns that were manufactured for a profit while he abandoned his material wealth and his loved ones to train in the wilderness, provide medical attention to stinky soldiers, and fight alongside destitute communities in the third world?

There are reasons, however, for this curious rise in support for Stalin in the West. For Russians and Eastern Europeans, it's based on (1) nationalist nostalgia for the the lost status of the Soviet Union as a super power and for the political solidarity that existed among Soviet citizens believing themselves the vanguard for equality and (2) the fact that the extreme poverty and offensive stratification that exists now did not exist (to its current extent) under Stalin. Western Stalinists, a curious and largely out-of-touch bunch indeed, are more utilitarian in their admiration, it seems. They can be found complaining of leftist critics (sometimes generalized as "Trotskyists") not falling in line and saying "hey, the lives of the Russian poor were improved, so massive political suppression and violence are okay."

Lenin was good and oversaw incredible gains for the Russian people. Stalin and Malenkov were terrible despots. Krushchev was okay. The rest were dog shit.

 

[Trotsky]

I don't think more reasonable lefties have this view. The logical extremes of communism are fairly obvious and have been demonstrated. It is a philosophy that is not compatible with the nature of man and the needs of society's advancement.

Having admired most of your previous posts, this post is pretty disappointing in its reduction.

Your prideful ignorance is, however, completely expected.

 

[lecter]

lol at libtards unironically defending communism

 

[ShinkanPo]

I wonder why is there a sudden popularity of communism, communism is just like that zombie that just won't die.

 

[Pwent]

lol at a guy with a mao av defending mao's brutal regime and lol at a guy named @Trotsky defensing communism

 

[HomerThompson]

lol at libtards unironically defending communism

LOL @ libertarians ducking out of threads earlier.

 

[lecter]

Having admired most of your previous posts, this post is pretty disappointing in its reduction.


Your prideful ignorance is, however, completely expected.

LOL @ libertarians ducking out of threads earlier.

nah, I've seen where you tagged me but I got tired of the discussion because I feel like I've already written everything I'll response 10 times before (in the war room alone)
I'll respond later

 

[asharak]

lol at a guy with a mao av defending mao's brutal regime and lol at a guy named @Trotsky defensing communism

lol at a guy with a dog av having the IQ of one

 

[asharak]

that's right, you will be tagged/quoted @Pwent. not that you or the dog in your av have the cojones to do so.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Being a communist is akin to being a Nazi. They are murderous totalitarians.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

1-That's simply not true. Communism strives to be a stateless society.

Communists claim to want a stateless society, but they never ever strive in that direction. They build a society that is entirely controlled and shaped by the state.

 

[HomerThompson]

Being a communist is akin to being a Nazi. They are murderous totalitarians.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

100 million citizens of communist regimes were murdered by their governments in the 20th century. Your response is inapt.

 

[HomerThompson]

100 million citizens of communist regimes were murdered by their governments in the 20th century. Your response is inapt.

Most of the people in China during Mao weren't actually murdered by the government. Also, Stalinist Russia was a totalitarian regime. Communism is an economic system. It didn't lead to the purges by Stalin, and it didn't lead to a mass starvation in China either.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Communism is an economic system.

Communism is first and foremost a political system.

And yes, Mao's government is fully culpable in the deaths that occurred during the man made famine.

 

[cabear]

Those idiots strolling with a Stalin flag don't understand what he truly represented, and it wasn't a true communist state. Like other have said before, communism doesn't work when human nature is taken into account, we care more about ourselves then the "colony" as a whole.

 

[lecter]

Most of the people in China during Mao weren't actually murdered by the government. Also, Stalinist Russia was a totalitarian regime. Communism is an economic system. It didn't lead to the purges by Stalin, and it didn't lead to a mass starvation in China either.

Any 'economic system' other than laissez-faire (muh) capitalism can only be established and maintained through statism because -by definition- it implies that individuals can not make free decisions on a market.
And in the case of communism, it will always be totalitarianism.

 

[HomerThompson]

Any 'economic system' other than laissez-faire (muh) capitalism can only be established and maintained through statism because -by definition- it implies that individuals can not make free decisions on a market.
And in the case of communism, it will always be totalitarianism.

That's incorrect. All property is publicly owned. It could look like anarchosyndaclism. I don't see why the US couldn't be communist. Community owned businesses with full profit sharing, etc.