Why is it considered "moral" to be communist?

[Goonerview]

I think part of the problem is that centrists or those on the right, say "communism sounds good, but doesnt work in real life" as an olive branch when talking to marxists, to avoid getting into moral discussions and simply dismiss it based on practicality issues

but for many people, politics is only about virtue signalling and they dont care about efficiency/practicality. so they will look into communism just so they can be on "the right side". edgy high school teenagers and college students for example

i think people need to stop with that "well it sounds good ideally, but would never work!" argument and also argue on a moral ground, before explaining why it isnt practical

i see many leftists even saying that Jesus would be a socialist, as if socialism didnt already break the 10 commandments, as I've stated

For sure, you concede an inch, they take a mile.

Communism doesn't even sound good in theory. It's not free and stifles progress and evolution.

 

[IDL]

 

[mike sherry]

they think thats immoral to deny them access to free goods or services because they are alive and thats all it takes

 

[RockstarChris]

What is funny is all these celebrities that have millions of dollars that vote liberal and talk about income inequality.

Do they understand if we redistribute wealth that i get a cut of their money?

 

[voxom]

because leftist don't understand what morality is. they think taking another persons wealth is the moral thing to do.

 

[Concrete]

I was going to post this. I think it hits on something really important. You will always be one more execution away from the utopia.

 

[HomerThompson]

i recently made a thread that discussed this, how most people seem to concede to leftists that their position is the moral one, and try to argue it based on efficiency. they will say something like "communism sounds good on paper, but doesnt work in the real world." I strongly disagree

communism is both immoral and inefficient

Marxism is an incredibly selfish ideology, it states "I exist, so you owe me things. I deserve some of your stuff because I want it, and don't want you to have more than me."

it is never moral to vote to steal from your neighbor. it is not moral for me to decide how much of your things I deserve. Marxism also breaks 2 of the 10 commandments off the bat "thou shall not steal" and "thou shall not covet"

You don't understand Marxism at all. Color me surprised.

 

[Prutfis]

Communism is idiotic. Socialism and demokratic socialism is far from communism.

 

[Pwent]

Communism is idiotic. Socialism and demokratic socialism is far from communism.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

You can, legally, but they are lambasted in the media and certainly not considered mainstream.

The recently May day communist march in London was just seen as normal. Little to no condemnation in the media.

Your original question still has nothing to do with that. Or maybe the subject was changed and I missed it...

 

[PubliusVentidius]

But, in the mainstream, you are able to shout pro-communist chants and march down the streets proudly showing a Stalin poster ... but you can't do the same with Hitler, can you?

Can you point to me where Marx and Engels espoused their insane racial views and called for genocide in their writings like Hitler did? Communism failed as an economic model for various reasons but you can't draw a causal correlation between what Marx wrote and the stalinist gulags and pogroms, with Hitler's writings and speeches and what the nazis did you absolutely can.

 

[Makani]

I don't think more reasonable lefties have this view. The logical extremes of communism are fairly obvious and have been demonstrated. It is a philosophy that is not compatible with the nature of man and the needs of society's advancement.

However.

The reason we are seeing a rosier view of it is because we are, as a real phenomenon, moving towards the extremes of capitalism. Everything is monetized, healthcare and education are lotteries of birth, you are considered successful based only upon your wealth, outside of context or personal abilities. Any effort to curtail this is branded as socialism or communism and dismissed by the brainwashed masses. The table is so tilted that the idea of a perfectly even society becomes attractive, and the obvious logical problems become easier to dismiss. It is the ebb and flow of history, though I will say the wealthy have done an excellent job entrenching themselves this time, they have a good deal of the poor on their side somehow.

 

[Carl Sonnen]

The answer to your question is designed ignorance. The American education system was infiltrated by communists a few decades back and they purposefully worked to revise history and work to destroy the current system of values in order to brainwash students and eventually society. Combined with certain globalist interests who need ignorant, easily exploitable labor and are willing to fund activities which advance their interests, and you have the current situation in which people are so ignorant of history and logic and critical thinking that they don't really know what they are doing. Cycles of history repeat and we are due for another conflagration point which will reduce population and settle the matter of which ideology is dominant.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Wtf are you talking about? Outside niche academic circles in humanities departments communists are about the most loathed group in America.

 

[Greoric]

Wtf are you talking about? Outside niche academic circles in humanities departments communists are about the most loathed group in America.

And should be. That system of societal organization was the leading cause of death in the 20th century.

 

[Concrete]

Can you point to me where Marx and Engels espoused their insane racial views and called for genocide in their writings like Hitler did? Communism failed as an economic model for various reasons but you can't draw a causal correlation between what Marx wrote and the stalinist gulags and pogroms, with Hitler's writings and speeches and what the nazis did you absolutely can.

I think you can link what happened to the Kulaks to Marxist doctrine, absolutely. The horrors in Russia (or China, or Cambodia, or any other number of communist catastrophes) were a logical application of that dogma. Saying Stalin was a bad man and that's what went wrong is disingenuous.

 

[Greoric]

because leftist don't understand what morality is. they think taking another persons wealth is the moral thing to do.

#Taxationistheft

 

[IDL]

I was going to post this. I think it hits on something really important. You will always be one more execution away from the utopia.

The thing is is that communism is always pushed by wealthy actors who rely on useful idiots to consolidate power for them. Under no point is there any plan to not have that happen.

It's like a cookbook for power consolidation.

So the ones that actually buy into it often become disillusioned and resentful when they see what it actually becomes, and then they become a liability. Historically, liabilities get 'liquidated'.

 

[Concrete]

And should be. That system of societal organization was the leading cause of death in the 20th century.

Are you sure about that? Not malaria or something?

 

[Greoric]

Are you sure about that? Not malaria or something?

Not even fucking close.