Why is it considered "moral" to be communist?

[TheGreatA]

So basically, it's more hypocrisy from the "holier than thou" left.

I would also say that if, for example, the Polish or Ukrainian people occupied many of the key positions in the media globally, then you probably wouldn't be seeing a lot of love for Stalin.

 

[Goonerview]

Only leftists and communists think that. And of course leftists and communists are completely retarded, brain dead idiots.

Consider the source in other words.

But, in the mainstream, you are able to shout pro-communist chants and march down the streets proudly showing a Stalin poster ... but you can't do the same with Hitler, can you?

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Not just things, your own body and hands. Pure communism means that you don't own your body. You don't own your hands, your brain ... these and the labour generated from them all belong to the state.

Yah, there's a lot of reasons why communism sux

 

[Goonerview]

I would also say that if, for example, the Polish or Ukrainian people occupied many of the key positions in the media globally, then you probably wouldn't be seeing a lot of love for Stalin.

So, people are just ignorant and misinformed?

 

[TheComebackKid]

But, in the mainstream, you are able to shout pro-communist chants and march down the streets proudly showing a Stalin poster ... but you can't do the same with Hitler, can you?

Its because retarded leftists and communists sit at the head of almost all arenas of mainstream culture and thus have more control over narratives and agenda. And of course being leftists/communists they have a natural tendency toward hypocrisy and double standards.

 

[TheGreatA]

So, people are just ignorant and misinformed?

They're not misinformed, just partially informed. The people who got screwed over by the likes of Stalin or Mao, simply don't have much influence world-wide. Those who were targeted by Hitler, were more capable of taking control of the narrative.

 

[TheGreatA]

Not just things, your own body and hands. Pure communism means that you don't own your body. You don't own your hands, your brain ... these and the labour generated from them all belong to the state.

The state model doesn't exist in pure communism.

It's an utopia that was seen by Marx as the end result of technological progress (and the capitalist drive towards that progress), which allows for machinery that can produce an over-abundance of goods in the future, ready to be distributed within a society according to each one's needs.

The problem is that most communist societies have formed at a point when they really have nothing to distribute, except for poverty and misery.

 

[ehtheist]

So basically, it's more hypocrisy from the "holier than thou" left.

Hey, look, you got what you were shooting for and you didn't even have to get past the first page...

 

[Alex]

Communists, Antifa rallies, Bernie supporters and pro socialists love to claim that they are "morally" superior to others. As if owning private property is somehow "evil".

Philosophically, true communism means that you don't even own your own hands or body. Everything is property of the state.

In our society, your own body is your personal "means of production". If you were born with a good body, and train and put the work in to become a good basketball player, then surely you deserve to make as much money as you can. Similarly, if you are born with a good brain, surely you have the right to use that brain to better yourself?

It's crazy that you can have a communist flag, show pictures and placards of Stalin, Mao and Marx proudly and not get called up on shit. These people killed way more people than Hitler ever did.

If you March down the streets with Hitler placards and swaztikas, you would be arrested and deemed immoral and evil by everyone. Yet, antifa march with hammer and sickle and Stalin posters and claim to be more "moral" than everyone. No-one ever calls them up on it. It's bullshit.


This is London, 1st of May, 2017

How is this cool?? How is this even possible??

Imagine people doing the same with Hitler?? The media would brandish them immoral and evil, yet the same media are cool with Stalin ... Why??

Stalin was a great leader who turned a stuggling empire into the world's greatest nation.

 

[BruceLeeOnTRT]

Id say it's a combination of a desire to be edgy, combined with complete historical ignorance. Like guys who wear Che shirts. If you tell them the things Che said about blacks in his diary, and what his thoughts on white european supremacy were, they are completely shocked and don't believe it.

Similar thing with Bolshevik revolution. They wave their communist flags around, with pictures of communist leaders, while completely ignorant to the history of the Russian revolution and who financed it.

Men like Jacob Schiff (head of Kuhn, Loeb and Co., which later merged with Lehman Brothers and eventually American Express) donated over 20 million to the Bolsheviks. Jacob was also a major donor to President Wilson, and a backer of the Federal Reserve act. People who worship these guys like Lenin and Trotsky are usually clueless about how much money they received from capitalists they slammed when talking to people in Russia. They were self-serving hypocrites and murderers.

 

[Goonerview]

Hey, look, you got what you were shooting for and you didn't even have to get past the first page...

It's the logical conclusion I came to.

 

[Goonerview]

They're not misinformed, just partially informed. The people who got screwed over by the likes of Stalin or Mao, simply don't have much influence world-wide. Those who were targeted by Hitler, were more capable of taking control of the narrative.

So, over-representation of Jewish people in the mainstream media organisations and likewise under-representation of eastern bloc peoples is the reason why Nazism is seen as more "immoral" than communism in the mainstream?

I'm just trying to understand these double standards.

 

[Pwent]

i recently made a thread that discussed this, how most people seem to concede to leftists that their position is the moral one, and try to argue it based on efficiency. they will say something like "communism sounds good on paper, but doesnt work in the real world." I strongly disagree

communism is both immoral and inefficient

Marxism is an incredibly selfish ideology, it states "I exist, so you owe me things. I deserve some of your stuff because I want it, and don't want you to have more than me."

it is never moral to vote to steal from your neighbor. it is not moral for me to decide how much of your things I deserve. Marxism also breaks 2 of the 10 commandments off the bat "thou shall not steal" and "thou shall not covet"

 

[Pwent]

I also think its funny that its illegal to have nazi images in certain countries, and like half the coutry thinks its OK to assault someone for being a nazi, but its perfectly acceptable to describe yourself as a communist, even though the communist party in russia murdered way more of their own citizens than hitler did. the communist party in china also did.

most holocaust figures put it around 11 million, stalin and mao alone killed over 10 times that number, without even looking at smaller communist countries.

yet people feel its 100x worse to be a nazi than a commie

 

[IDL]

There has never been a communist state according to communists. They all fail at the 'socialist' stage. Communism for communists is like a sort of afterlife or ideal that they strive towards. They never get to it and never will because communism is unachievable fairy tale and the road to it ends in misery and bloodshed or abandoning its core principles like china.

I think TheGreatA summed up the seed of its own failure. It requires an authoritarian system to bring about and force everyone into 'equality' which is completely unnatural and requires oppression.

So it leads to an authoritarian system..

The people who seize power aren't about to give it up, and if they actually are then they'd be killed by others who wouldn't. It's the nature of power.

So, the only reason why someone with any knowledge would push communism, would be if they wanted to construct an authoritarian system and hand the reigns over to a small clique of corrupt power hungry types.

 

[Goonerview]

i recently made a thread that discussed this, how most people seem to concede to leftists that their position is the moral one, and try to argue it based on efficiency

communism is both immoral and inefficient

Marxism is an incredibly selfish ideology, it states "I exist, so you owe me things. I deserve some of your stuff because I want it, and don't want you to have more than me."

it is never moral to vote to steal from your neighbor. it is not moral for me to decide how much of your things I deserve. Marxism also breaks 2 of the 10 commandments off the bat "thou shall not steal" and "thou shall not covet"

I just don't understand how you can march down the streets with a Stalin poster and the mainstream opinion is cool with it and "they have a good heart".

 

[Goonerview]

I also think its funny that its illegal to have nazi images in certain countries, and like half the coutry thinks its OK to assault someone for being a nazi, but its perfectly acceptable to describe yourself as a communist, even though the communist party in russia murdered way more of their own citizens than hitler did. the communist party in china also did.

most holocaust figures put it around 11 million, stalin and mao alone killed over 10 times that number, without even looking at smaller communist countries.

yet people feel its 100x worse to be a nazi than a commie

This is literally my point. I couldn't believe (well, I could, but shouldn't) the images of leftist goons walking down the streets of London with hammer and sickle flags and Stalin posters.

How the fuck do these people get to take the "moral high ground"??

 

[Deleted member 196663]

But, in the mainstream, you are able to shout pro-communist chants and march down the streets proudly showing a Stalin poster ... but you can't do the same with Hitler, can you?

You can have KKK rallies, so yes. But that's still a separate issue from the question of what is considered moral.

 

[Pwent]

I just don't understand how you can march down the streets with a Stalin poster and the mainstream opinion is cool with it and "they have a good heart".

I think part of the problem is that centrists or those on the right, say "communism sounds good, but doesnt work in real life" as an olive branch when talking to marxists, to avoid getting into moral discussions and simply dismiss it based on practicality issues

but for many people, politics is only about virtue signalling and they dont care about efficiency/practicality. so they will look into communism just so they can be on "the right side". edgy high school teenagers and college students for example

i think people need to stop with that "well it sounds good ideally, but would never work!" argument and also argue on a moral ground, before explaining why it isnt practical

i see many leftists even saying that Jesus would be a socialist, as if socialism didnt already break the 10 commandments, as I've stated

 

[Goonerview]

You can have KKK rallies, so yes. But that's still a separate issue from the question of what is considered moral.

You can, legally, but they are lambasted in the media and certainly not considered mainstream.

The recently May day communist march in London was just seen as normal. Little to no condemnation in the media.