Why is Fedor always included in GOAT discussions and Wanderlei not?

Fedor's streak was better than Wand's. Pretty easy to figure it out, if you have a functional brain, which seeing this thread a lot of people lack.

Wand was also great but he wasn't the best LHW for as long as Fedor was clearly the best HW.
 
Not even Fedor is the incontestable goat of his division. Miocic achievements and resume are bigger

LMAO!

Miocis fought a bunch of has beens. His record vs someone without vastly more fight mileage and age is trash.

Stipe is 1-1 vs Ngannu. Who else has he beaten in their prime? Anyone?
Got his face re-arranged by the last fighter in their 20s, Struve.

Stipe's record is fucking dogshit.
People talk about Khabib having an inflated record, Stipe is the true graverobber.
 
What this post skips out on is that Fedor got iced 3 times in a row at a very young HW age and outside of Nog,Cop, AA and if you're being nice big Tim who imo was on his downturn by this point, the names on his resume other than those 4 are quite lackluster.

Dumb post. Plenty of Fedor's contemporary fighters aged out in a similar time frame to when he did.

Cain and JDS were basically done as top guys right after they turned 30 lol.
Brock ran away from the sport in his early 30s with barely any fights.

All 3 with FAR less fight mileage than Fedor.

UFC HW Champs:
Rizzo: Never had a top win after 2005/06. Done by age 33.
Ricco: Done fighting at top level in 2003. Hung on for a few years losing to anyone relevant. Totally done by age ~33.
Mir: Last time he was at all relevant and had top wins was in 2012. 33 years of age.
Randleman: Last top win at age 32.
Arlovski: Left the UFC and got brutally "exposed". Done as a top guy by 2011 at age ~31.
Sylvia: Done as a top guy after 2008, at age 32.
Bork: Last win at age 33.
JDS: Basically done as a top guy by age 31, in 2015. Clearly washed by 2017, at age 33. Hobbled on vs mostly irrelevant guys after.
Cain: Done after 2013, at age 31. Hardly fought after period.

Wow, look @ all these UFC champs who somehow either washed out, started "sucking", or clearly were past it in their early 30s!
To be fair, you could do quite the same for a number of contemporary PRIDE champs.

HW MMA has failed to attract enough new, young talent since the 2000s, and this became very evident post 2010 as the average age of the division started creeping up. Hint, that is not a sign it got better.

Fedor "critics" being sub 80 IQ- nothing new.
 
Wand has more title defenses (5x3)
Wand dominated a more competitive and tallented division than HW
Wand was popular as fuck, maybe most popular than EmilianeNko in Japan
Wand has most iconic finishes
Was was a most iconic fighter/character
Wand fought in the NBA of the sport (UFC)
You just said it fedor was a hw wand was 205 and 185 I think we already know who both those goats are..

And no fedor was undefeated for 9 years ..
 
He was head hunting because his old tricks that worked in Pride got figured out and we saw how he couldn't adjust unlike his peers(Hendo, Werdum). He couldn't grapple better grapplers in strikeforce, Werdum, Hendo and Bigfoot all finished him on the ground. He was in prime HW age and looked no different physically, he just sucked fighting in a cage in a modern era.
He'd had over 30 fights and a ten year run by the time he started losing.

There's only so long you can maintain that intensity, especially at HWs.

Stipe retired at 25 fights and Cain at just 17, it's a lot harder going on HWs.
 
During Pride. They fought way after when both men were shot. They weren’t fighting for the number 1 spot when they fought in the UFC.

Wanderlei was considered number 1 in the world but he didn’t fight Chuck, Randy and he dropped a fight to Tito.
 
I’d say Page declined later than Wand for sure, he was honestly never really the same after those brutal ko losses to Cro Cop and Hendo.

And Wand was way more past it than Page was in both their third and fourth fights. Especially their fourth fight. I don’t count their fourth fight anymore than I count Chuck/Tito 3. Sure it happened but it doesn’t tell us a damn thing other than the fact that Wand aged worse than Page did.
I definitely see your point
 
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