Why I despised Khamzat vs DDP

[NoStoneUnturned]

I'm a fan of both fighters and I also enjoyed the hell out of that fight. Personally I don't mind watching someone absolutely dominate the other fighter even when it's grappling based because I can appreciate the skill discrepancy. DDP just had nothing for him. To be locked up in a crucifix for that long across four rounds is nothing short of absolute dominance. That's part of mixed martial arts, the fight can take place anywhere and you need to prepare appropriately imo. Dudes are just going to have to figure him out or figure out a way to counter that style. Sorry you didn't enjoy it.

Edit: I also think a lot of fans are now getting more easily butthurt about this kind of stuff now that betting is involved. Personally I think it is hurting the sport more than helping it.

As a non-gambler I fail to take into consideration what influence gambling plays in some people's overly emotional response. Particularly the OMG the entirety of the UFC is going to turn into freestyle wrestling contests type of response. It will not, fighters will adapt and adapt quickly. DDP's annihilation will laser focus everyone's attention (the smart ones anyways) on grappling fundamentals.

 

[orca]

guess you havent watch gsp title fights

 

[kuroro]

In my 20 year experience I have never seen a fight of such potential turned to a wrestling match since GSP (who I couldn’t stand watching) who at least used a jab heavy approach. I assume the only people that enjoy this are so deeply into grappling this excites them wtaching the subtleties or people like yourself that have no problem watching one man lay on another man and hold him down all night with love smacks. I need a word for people like you other than gay help me out

it's just weird that you would watch a thing for 20 years that you consider extremely gay.

 

[Streeter]

To end this change the rules. Fights can only be on ground 30 sec at a time unless theres serious gnp or a sub in place. Stand them up otherwise after 30.

Folks will say thats not a real fight - it's not a real fight now . UFC is prize fightibg and that's for entertainment. What that fight was isn't entertaining for most- im sure to a wrestling enthusiast it was great but most aren't.

If most big fights were this way noone would watch and sport would go back to niche status.

 

[Guy LeDouche]

I find it funny a lot of the same people who shit on and bitched about Merab for Beating O’Malley via grappling are the same people sucking off Khamzat right now.

 

[Hezekiah]

37 significant strikes with over 21 mins of control time, 500 taps.

Embarrassing and boring control over damage hugging.

 

[Joshua8531]

I believe Khamzat broke records for strikes landed and did next to no damage. No matter how you slice it being a dominant wrestler and holding someone in position and throwing a bajillion pitter patter punches is wrestling masked with weak gnp.There isn’t a soul that believed DDP a superior wrestler. It in many ways feels like Khamzat nullified a fight actually occurring until the clock ran out. What Khamzat was doing could have gone on another 10 rounds with neither man hurt so how the hell is that not nullifying a fight occurring? Imagine if Jones did the same shit instead of hellbows how much more he would be hated?
99% of the mma fanbase has no interest in watching a wrestling match or wrestling would have a much bigger fanbase. Nobody wants to hear Dick Mcdojo telling you because you don’t watch grappling sports for entertainment you are a casual when you actually grappled lol. Grappling is great to train but boring as fuck to watch. I daydreamed during wrestling meets in high school until it was my match. Perhaps after 2 minutes just take a fucking point from DDP and stand the fucking fight up. IMO that has to be implemented in Chimaev fights because he will keep that same strategy of turning potential epic fights to wrestling matches. I hated watching it with zero apologies

Ah, what a boring fight, I won't be excited for his next fight. Maybe I'll be proven wrong but he's not Khabib.

 

[Mind Mine]

it's just weird that you would watch a thing for 20 years that you consider extremely gay.

In my 20 years of watching I have never seen anything quite that bad and even the fights which were boring were called such without the Bozo Boring Defense Squad telling everyone they don’t understand mma because they think holding a wrestling position for 24 minutes and almost getting beat up when you let it go is DOG SHIT. Bozos for some reason fail to acknowledge that even the fucking network hosting it called it boring but here is your clown ass acting like I am making some kind of injust statement. You come a cross an elitist prick that likes boring shit and that’s exactly what you likely are

 

[bubbleboyjones]

Nobody wants to hear Dick Mcdojo telling you because you don’t watch grappling sports for entertainment you are a casual when you actually grappled lol.

Ha Luke Thomas basically just did this rant this morning

 

[El Fernas]

DPP lost in embarrassing fashion last night. I'm sorry if your guy can't defend a takedown and doesn't know basic techniques like fighting the hands to break a body lock. Gilbert Burns had a guard on the ground which caused Khamzat to stand up....maybe DPP should train that. DPP failed to do anything at all. Did you see DPP try to granby roll? He looked so silly.

Thats what you got wrong, DDP isnt "their guy" of those who think the fight was boring, the crowd was pro Chimaev...and they turned on him.

Ha Luke Thomas basically just did this rant this morning

He did his rants from Saturday watching it live, i rarely do watchalongs for big fights.

 

[Mongoosemk12]

Homie he could have remained in that same crucible until this point we are talking and I would be so impressed but want to watch it more than 2 minute stretches? FUCK NO

So don't. I don't know why anyone thought Chimaev wasn't going to take this to the mat at every opportunity. That's literally his skill set.

 

[Mongoosemk12]

As a non-gambler I fail to take into consideration what influence gambling plays in some people's overly emotional response. Particularly the OMG the entirety of the UFC is going to turn into freestyle wrestling contests type of response. It will not, fighters will adapt and adapt quickly. DDP's annihilation will laser focus everyone's attention (the smart ones anyways) on grappling fundamentals.

I don't gamble either, but you are right. It absolutely heightens everyone's emotional reactions and changes how they perceive fights. Not to mention it brings in a lot of casual viewers who probably wouldn't have watched or would be less invested if they weren't betting on the fights. I've been around this sport for a very long time, both as a viewer and a practitioner, and the audience seems to care significantly less about the skill set and more about entertainment these days.

 

[188912345]

Definitely time to change the rules because Khamzat proved people wrong about being able to wrestle for 5 rounds against a huge MW champion.

No sour grapes here at all, right?

 

[ki11ian]

Brilliant execution, hope he does the exact same thing in the next fight.

 

[balkanbomber85]

The thing with this fight is that, on one hand, Khamzat showed he can go five rounds, but he also showed what it takes for him to do so: losing all of his dangerousness. Before, it was like ‘if he gets you down, he’ll most likely finish you in a few minutes.’ Now people have seen that even an average grappler can survive against him if they scramble a bit and avoid making big mistakes. This will motivate others, and the respect for his dangerous grappling will drop—which could actually result in more exciting fights. Sure, some opponents will lose that way, but others might benefit from it.

Of course, it’s always easier said than done, but once a fighter loses his mystique—like when people realized Tyson wouldn’t knock everybody out—they usually never manage to reach the same level they had before.​

 

[Ozze]

Dude has an 80% finish rate.

TS after one single fight: "ThEy NeEd to sTanD uP ChiMaeV fIgHts!"

 

[Alpha_T83]

Yea this fight was just so strange. Khamzat was so dominant with the wrestling, taking DDP down at will... but yet seemingly unable to do any real damage or land any submissions. DDP simultaneously had incredible submission defense and zero wrestling defense.

Hopefully both fighters learn from this, and DDP realizes he can't just rely on BJJ. You need to be able to wrestle and actually defend takedowns. And Khamzat needs to work on his ground and pound, especially elbows, and probably be willing to take more risks and go for submissions (i.e. Kimura from the crucifix is just very open to be taken).

 

[Alpha_T83]

Dude has an 80% finish rate.

TS after one single fight: "ThEy NeEd to sTanD uP ChiMaeV fIgHts!"

Except that stat is bullshit. Kevin Holland doesn't count -- he was a last minute change at a catchweight that he wasn't prepared for. And neither do 80% of his opponents.

The only opponents that matter are DDP, Whittaker, Burns, and Usman. And Whittaker was 100% a fluke. No other fighter without a pre-existing injury gets submitted by a face crank.

So taking away the Whittaker fight, Khamzat has 0 submissions in fights with actually relevant opponents. I have zero faith that he will submit Caio or RDR.

 

[Brca031]

Jon Fitch and Phil Davies crawled so Canzat could walk.

 

[Young Calf Kick]

Glorious rage tears