Social Why don’t we just allow poor people to be priced out of cities? We should allow them to be priced out and move to cheaper places.

GreatSaintGuillotine said:
And you'd be wrong. But you do you man
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No, I’m not, you need to be below 50% of AMI. Tell me what is 50% of AMI for New Orleans area, do a quick search.

I don’t think you understand how poor you have to be to qualify for a section 8 housing voucher.

Section 8 isn’t a program for the working class, it’s a program for “extremely low income” people.
 
koa pomaikai said:
No, I’m not, you need to be below 50% of AMI. Tell me what is 50% of AMI for New Orleans area, do a quick search.

I don’t think you understand how poor you have to be to qualify for a section 8 housing voucher.

Section 8 isn’t a program for the working class, it’s a program for “extremely low income” people.
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So why do you to kick those people out so badly?

Are you under the impression that we need to bolster the ranks of the homeless?
 
koa pomaikai said:
No, I’m not, you need to be below 50% of AMI. Tell me what is 50% of AMI for New Orleans area, do a quick search.

I don’t think you understand how poor you have to be to qualify for a section 8 housing voucher.
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I don't need to search because I worked with people who were on it, kid. But please, post some more out of state charters that aren't actually here lol.


1/4 of first year teachers fall in range
 
shunyata said:
So why do you to kick those people out so badly?

Are you under the impression that we need to bolster the ranks of the homeless?
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No, I am against government paying for high rental markets to inflate demand by keeping poor people in a area they can’t afford to be.

Section 8 pays based on the rent of the area. They do an analysis called “payment standards” meaning if you live in a expensive urban area, they might pay upwards of 3k to help you rent, but if you live in some cheap crap area, they pay 800.

Section 8 should be standard across the board. I am in favor of social welfare programs paying rent for people, but not for people to choose the location for where they can rent.

If anything I am even okay with taking that 3k voucher and separating it into 3 vouchers and forcing three families to move to another area where rent is 1k and we house 3 families instead of 1 family in a expensive area everyone is trying to move into.

I am even fine with helping people on relocation costs and moving fees. But people making 9k a year on ssi has no business living in a city where the average income is 100k+ to be bolstered by government to survive in such a environment.
 
Probably be better and easier to build cities with no rental properties or gov assisted housing. Move there if you can afford it. Kind of like a gated community for the middle class.
 
koa pomaikai said:
Liberal cities are often some of the most expensive high demand cities across the USA.

Poor people are kept in these cities by affordable housing, section 8, and rent control….

What if instead of artificially keeping poor people in the city, what if we just let all of them be priced out?

We allow rents to go up and follow demand, let people who can pay market rate move in and those who can’t afford to, move to cheaper country side areas.

There are places in the US where you can buy a house for $10,000 that’s the size of a million dollar house in SF, NY, or LA

Honestly, poor people need to get priced out of cities instead of being artificially kept here by government.
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May I ask if this is something you've investigated or just a hairbrained idea? Where is your market research coming from?
 
Expensive areas still prefer poor ppl doing essential jobs.
We had learned during koronka era what stuff is essential job.....

Ofc if you want to pay more for garbage remowal, water supply, electricity, waste water remowal etc ....then why not.
These posters most likely are using exclusively real 5 star restaurants too. Expensive, with doorman, wardrobe with special employee, + servant - waiter walking around, + another service person walking around to collect your orders etc...

Yes, someone might tell that engineers are well paid, maybe technicians too, however they does need ppl helping them ... not likely row with uni graduates are lining up to dig trenches in order to install famous cables for famous internet....

Maybe, pay MORE for everything ....maybe 20x more and then waste will collect PhDs ....

BTW trucks collecting garbage usually are used with crew: driver and 1 or 2 labourers. Doesn't likes, deliver your garbage till landfill etc with your own car....
Ofc it will take time....nothing special for smart ppl.
 
koa pomaikai said:
Liberal cities are often some of the most expensive high demand cities across the USA.

Poor people are kept in these cities by affordable housing, section 8, and rent control….

What if instead of artificially keeping poor people in the city, what if we just let all of them be priced out?

We allow rents to go up and follow demand, let people who can pay market rate move in and those who can’t afford to, move to cheaper country side areas.

There are places in the US where you can buy a house for $10,000 that’s the size of a million dollar house in SF, NY, or LA

Honestly, poor people need to get priced out of cities instead of being artificially kept here by government.
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The fck. Then businesses and corporations start bleeding money cause their employees had to relocate to cheaper areas and cant justify travelling so far to work. Sounds great. Whos gonna run your cities for the rich. Its the US...not dubai homie. Speaking of which....that there is a super rich place which houses people of all economic backgrounds. The rich alone wont run a city. You would make a horrible leader and probably failed miserably at Simcity.
 
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This is a deliberate choice to prevent ghettos from forming. Mixed income housing is a core feature of urban economic design.
 
koa pomaikai said:
Politically it’d be smarter to spread out the democrats and have democrats invade the country side.
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The entire east coast: Am I a joke to you?

You're correct, though. Coast/water = life, which has always been a thing. The cheaper way to live in the US is inland.

But pricing out poor people by raising prices will also price out the middle class, which is almost non-existent these days.
 
lsa said:
and only land owners should get to vote.
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Interesting thing that land owners need to use these bad poor ppl.

I really think that for some dreamers better is to deliver garbage and waste stuff till landfill personally, with their own cars....long rows with cars waiting ..... nice jobs to check in xxxxxx cars.... and easy to see from sattelites miles long convoys with snobs cars....
 
The Diplomat said:
The entire east coast: Am I a joke to you?

You're correct, though. Coast/water = life, which has always been a thing. The cheaper way to live in the US is inland.

But pricing out poor people by raising prices will also price out the middle class, which is almost non-existent these days.
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This will price out also upper middle class, not just middle class.

Services bills, fees and other payments, very expensive retail stores, yup .... only 5 star restaurants, 0 cheap stuff like mcd etc around... very expensive even gas filling stations., car wash companies with 10-20-30 x higher service prices etc...


Real upper class is considerably lesser than 0.1% of population.... even in rich cities and areas.

These, who does have servants as their employees on payroll to serve them. Cooks, drivers, assistants, etc etc, ofc also cleaners etc.
You need large party in villa? or maybe hairdresser even if it is night and weekend? Tell assistant and he will call etc bla bla bla ...and service will be awailable 24/7/365.

This does cost money ofc....a lot.

I can imagine scene when ....these xx servants and cleaners will be some kind of PhDs and ask...xx more salaries....than current servants.
 
In New York city where it is often said by the blue media that the socialist Zohran won the Dem primary due to Zohran running a campaign on lowering costs. Lower costs it is being said will help poorer New Yorkers.

Yet when looking at areas that voted in NYC, it was the poor who voted for Cuomo's policies and the rich who voted for socialist Zohran's policies. Zohran's policies are more likely to raise costs.

What ever happens, hopefully socialist loving New Yorker's do not move to Florida or other typically lower cost red states. Many have been saying that this time around. If you do move to a red state don't vote for Democrats or Democrat policies that are causing you to flee your state.

I fled NYC for Florida — Sorry, Mamdani-fearing Democrats, we’re full!​


https://nypost.com/2025/06/30/opini...da-sorry-mamdani-fearing-democrats-were-full/

.....One Floridian man suggests handing out “Don’t New York My Florida” t-shirts at the Fort Lauderdale airport — but I say that’s too late.

Let’s distribute them at JFK or LaGuardia and require our wannabe neighbors to wear them on the trip.

Floridians have built something great here, and we want to keep it that way.

“Kind of left” is too far left for us, and a “moderate Democrat” is, too.


Understand that Mayor Eric Adams might be New York City’s voice of civic moderation — but his stances would never fly here.

So stay and fight, all you New York Democrats dismayed at your party’s leftward swerve. Take your city back!

Don’t come to Florida and try to “moderate” us. Do it at home.
 
a city chock full of rich people does not sound like a fun place at all. That is why the rich in cities like having token poors around, like artists and performers, waiters and bartenders, nannies and caretakers.

I lived in a town full of rich people once. The vibe was basically like a gated community, extremely boring.
 
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