Why doesn't Frank Mir get the same overrated BJ Penn love?

[Sweater of AV]

Prime motivated BJ would happily go up to HW and turn Frank into a pretzel.

 

[Pierced7681]

Well this hasn't aged well.



This hasn't aged well part 2.

To be fair, I needed to include this one.

That was an early stoppage bro, penn got up and finished the dude from teh mount with strikes

 

[HaulParris]

While I'm sure some are fans, I'm willing to bet that many BJ fans think Frank Mir is overrated. Or worse.

But what they don't realize is how similar these two are.


Both are 37.

Both made their UFC and MMA debut in 2001.

Both won their first UFC title in 2004. They both won these titles in their 9th ever fight.

As all BJ nuthuggers will tell you. BJ BEAT MATT HUGHES! Well Frank beat a then undefeated 16-0 Tim Sylvia.

Both were stripped of their titles.

Both have fought a who's who of MMA history.

Both have shown up out-of-shape/unmotivated for fights.

Both have similar average records: 16-10-2 and 18-11.

Both started training at Jackson/Wink late in their careers.

Both got busted by USADA.


So why is Frank Mir not talked of as a MMA deity? Oh wait, he did not fight Machida at heavyweight! Silly me! That must be it!

For you BJ fans who don't think Frank is as great as BJ, tell us why? The same way you guys don't think Frank is all that great is the same way we reality based MMA fans view BJ.

I appreciate you putting in the work in comparing their stats. Impressive how similar their careers are.

 

[jsbx45]

To be fair, Matt Hughes is a legend, Tim Sylvia is (incorrectly IMO) a Meme. That could have a lot to do with it.

 

[MuayThai101]

Thats the dude that got me into MMA. I came over from WWE with Brock Lesnar. Im like whoooo the fook is frank mur. Brock will eat him. Sure enough, that sub win over Brock sold me on MMA and BJJ. He was basically my Royce Gracie. A smaller dude using technique to submit a much larger dude. One of my favs of all time.

 

[bambammccoy]

Nog was practically some fans fantasy boyfriend and Frank beat him in every way that mattered, brutally.

 

[Where you at Georges?]

I have wet my pants twice watching UFC

First when Mir submitted Nogeuira
Second when Masvidal KOd Askren

War Mir!!!!

 

[Reign009]

Well this hasn't aged well.



This hasn't aged well part 2.

To be fair, I needed to include this one.

Wow, you mean things change in the fight game after some years? No shit Sherlock.

The fact that you even remember this thread after all these years is pathetic lol. And you bumped it just to misuse "that didn't age well". I wasn't giving a prediction for the future dummy.

 

[Timurd123]

You’re looking at numbers ?

No one ever thought that much of Mir, he was never that good.

The guy has more embarrassing losses than good wins, BJ had a dominant run that ended with his prime, was super lazy so longevity was never going to be part of the deal for him

 

[ferrisjso]

While I'm sure some are fans, I'm willing to bet that many BJ fans think Frank Mir is overrated. Or worse.

But what they don't realize is how similar these two are.


Both are 37.

Both made their UFC and MMA debut in 2001.

Both won their first UFC title in 2004. They both won these titles in their 9th ever fight.

As all BJ nuthuggers will tell you. BJ BEAT MATT HUGHES! Well Frank beat a then undefeated 16-0 Tim Sylvia.

Both were stripped of their titles.

Both have fought a who's who of MMA history.

Both have shown up out-of-shape/unmotivated for fights.

Both have similar average records: 16-10-2 and 18-11.

Both started training at Jackson/Wink late in their careers.

Both got busted by USADA.


So why is Frank Mir not talked of as a MMA deity? Oh wait, he did not fight Machida at heavyweight! Silly me! That must be it!

For you BJ fans who don't think Frank is as great as BJ, tell us why? The same way you guys don't think Frank is all that great is the same way we reality based MMA fans view BJ.

The Frank Mir accident makes assessing his career complicated. Same with Barnett, the PED's and having to leave the UFC. Tbh though I think a lot of the Mir hate comes from the PRIDE people cause of him beating Big Nog twice and poking big holes into the PRIDE supremacy of the mid 2000s.

 

[snackgod]

While I'm sure some are fans, I'm willing to bet that many BJ fans think Frank Mir is overrated. Or worse.

But what they don't realize is how similar these two are.


Both are 37.

Both made their UFC and MMA debut in 2001.

Both won their first UFC title in 2004. They both won these titles in their 9th ever fight.

As all BJ nuthuggers will tell you. BJ BEAT MATT HUGHES! Well Frank beat a then undefeated 16-0 Tim Sylvia.

Both were stripped of their titles.

Both have fought a who's who of MMA history.

Both have shown up out-of-shape/unmotivated for fights.

Both have similar average records: 16-10-2 and 18-11.

Both started training at Jackson/Wink late in their careers.

Both got busted by USADA.


So why is Frank Mir not talked of as a MMA deity? Oh wait, he did not fight Machida at heavyweight! Silly me! That must be it!

For you BJ fans who don't think Frank is as great as BJ, tell us why? The same way you guys don't think Frank is all that great is the same way we reality based MMA fans view BJ.

frank has won 5 fights since bj penn last win or draw.

 

[TR1]

The Frank Mir accident makes assessing his career complicated. Same with Barnett, the PED's and having to leave the UFC. Tbh though I think a lot of the Mir hate comes from the PRIDE people cause of him beating Big Nog twice and poking big holes into the PRIDE supremacy of the mid 2000s.

Frank lost to more PRIDE stars than he beat.


Nice try though.

 

[cunglaowins]

I bet P4P Mir has better BJJ than BJ

 

[TR1]

People hate Mir, he is the reason Fedor was never in the UFC.

Back in the day, Nog was coming to the UFC as a champion of PRIDE..... He was unstoppable. He did what he does and won the belt.

Fedor at this same time was watching, waiting, wanting, he needed to know what would happen.

Mir vs Nog happens, and Fedor knew if Nog won, he could sign and we would finally see the GOAT HW fight in the UFC.
Fucking MIR KO's Nog Clean.............

Dream over.

Delusional.

Mir has never had consistency in his career.

He got lucky with Nog. You know it. Everyone knows it.

 

[mirko>anyone]

No one is claiming Mir to be a GOAT. Neither are remotely close.

 

[Ivancho]

Bj penn is a savage and genuine dude at the same time that's why we love him

 

[mirko>anyone]

Delusional.

Mir has never had consistency in his career.

He got lucky with Nog. You know it. Everyone knows it.

Agreed with everything until the end. Nothing lucky about stopping him with strikes. He was eating Nog alive the entire fight. Second fight had a few wtf moments before Mir took his arm home.

2-0 with varying stoppages ain’t luck at all.

 

[TR1]

Agreed with everything until the end. Nothing lucky about stopping him with strikes. He was eating Nog alive the entire fight. Second fight had a few wtf moments before Mir took his arm home.

2-0 with varying stoppages ain’t luck at all.

Nog was pretty sick before the first fight. He looked like a zombie (as he generally did at that point of his career).

The second fight I give Frank full credit for an amazing hail mary comeback. But Nog had him if he just kept punching. Total brain fart.

 

[mirko>anyone]

Nog was pretty sick before the first fight. He looked like a zombie (as he generally did at that point of his career).

The second fight I give Frank full credit for an amazing hail mary comeback. But Nog had him if he just kept punching. Total brain fart.

Mir has good counters, he’s a bit bigger, and more power. It’s a bad matchup for Nog honestly. Mir got completely fucked up in a motorcycle accident and was never the same either. Nog was at his best around 2004, but that’s neither here nor there. They fought twice. I love Nog, but we can’t take those wins from Mir. He knocked out Cro Cop too. Nothing lucky about it. Great knee.

 

[TR1]

Mir has good counters, he’s a bit bigger, and more power. It’s a bad matchup for Nog honestly. Mir got completely fucked up in a motorcycle accident and was never the same either. Nog was at his best around 2004, but that’s neither here nor there. They fought twice. I love Nog, but we can’t take those wins from Mir. He knocked out Cro Cop too. Nothing lucky about it. Great knee.

CC was super washed up though when they fought, and that fight sucked ass. Both guys lost in my eyes in that fight.

I know Frank had his accident, but he came back and did not look much (or at all) worse than he did pre accident after he got a few fights under his belt.
In my eyes it is obvious he was not as past it as CC or Nog when they fought. Hell, he sure had a LOT less fights under his belt.

I also don't hold Frank's recent losses against him, as he has clearly been past it for years now.
I think it is fair to critisize him for his losses in the middle of his career, but by the time he was fighting say Hunt he was washed up.