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I think anyone who believes getting stronger won't increase your punching power is a complete idiot. Rate of Force development is pretty simple stuff. If you want to get faster you need to increase your ability to create force without increasing mass. A lot of strong people are weak punchers because they don't train to punch correctly, but if you take two exact replicas of a person and have one do strength work in addition to his skills work, I guarantee he will be a stronger puncher than the guy who doesn't do strength work.
Well, there's a little more to it than that.
First off in addition to maximal strength, you also have RFD as you stated, but also speed strength- the ability to contract as quickly as possible against minimal external resistance. Increasing your max strength will perhaps have some carryover to increased RFD, but minimal to no carryover to speed strength development. Most combat sport athletes will only have strength numbers in the novice to intermediate stage - and it'll be guys who are involved in grappling, rather than strikers, who will be in the higher range of that strength as well. Beyond a certain point, an increase in max strength has little to no carryover to punching power.
Also, note the following link. In it, you'll hear that Bondarchuk found that as the bench press increased, their ability in the shot put was reduced.
I agree that it's certainly no measure of use being an athlete who qualifies as "weak" for anything- but I feel like over the past little while in this forum there's been a bit of an overemphasis on max strength development. Other qualities such as explosive strength and speed strength need addressing as well. They might gain some benefit from increased strength, but there's certainly no point continuing beyond the point of diminished returns.
No one benches more than teh 275, stop lying.I lifted like crazy for about two years recently, and I def noticed I could send a heavy bag flying. I want to get semi decent at boxing now!
I attribute my gains to hip and core strength tho. I don't know if goin from da 275 to da 315 made much difference.
I worked up to a one time max of tree fifteen. One feckin time! Lol. Man card baby!No one benches more than teh 275, stop lying.
I think anyone who believes getting stronger won't increase your punching power is a complete idiot. Rate of Force development is pretty simple stuff.
I worked up to a one time max of tree fifteen. One feckin time! Lol. Man card baby!
I lifted like crazy for about two years recently, and I def noticed I could send a heavy bag flying. I want to get semi decent at boxing now!
I attribute my gains to hip and core strength tho. I don't know if goin from da 275 to da 315 made much difference.
Well, yes... but Dat Speed/Strength Curve. It takes time to apply force, and the additional force that muscles can develop as a result of strength training are much more pronounced relatively late in the muscular contraction. This is a typical Speed'/Strength Curve showing the effect of strength training:
So the point is, if you are doing a movement that has to be completed in 200-400ms, you get the full benefit in terms of increased force. If it has to be done in 50-100ms, it's quite a lot less. So it's not just about diminishing marginal returns from going from 300lbs to 400lbs, it's the limited impact of training movements that have to be done at medium speed or low speed on movements that have to be done at high speed.
Speed strength, by the way, isn't just power. Power can be generated at any point along the curve- with a heavy weight or with a light weight. Speed strength is high force output at the bottom of the curve, over the shorter periods of time. That's as I understand it anyway.
Well, yes... but Dat Speed/Strength Curve. It takes time to apply force, and the additional force that muscles can develop as a result of strength training are much more pronounced relatively late in the muscular contraction. This is a typical Speed'/Strength Curve showing the effect of strength training:
So the point is, if you are doing a movement that has to be completed in 200-400ms, you get the full benefit in terms of increased force. If it has to be done in 50-100ms, it's quite a lot less. So it's not just about diminishing marginal returns from going from 300lbs to 400lbs, it's the limited impact of training movements that have to be done at medium speed or low speed on movements that have to be done at high speed.
Speed strength, by the way, isn't just power. Power can be generated at any point along the curve- with a heavy weight or with a light weight. Speed strength is high force output at the bottom of the curve, over the shorter periods of time. That's as I understand it anyway.
That chart shows there is an increase, and I would venture to say that the rate of change keeps increasing with further training unless there's a study I don't know about.
Sending a bag flying tells you nothing. You could be pushing your punches.
Punching power is force delivered over as short time as possible. The bag should bend but stay relatively still, or dent rather than move for best effects.
I lifted like crazy for about two years recently, and I def noticed I could send a heavy bag flying. I want to get semi decent at boxing now!
I attribute my gains to hip and core strength tho. I don't know if goin from da 275 to da 315 made much difference.
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