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Why do accomplished Runners do so poorly at MMA cardio?

Because endurance is relative to frequency. Stick a runner in a pool, they will get tired. Stick a swimmer on a track, same thing.
 
rudyray said:
Because endurance is relative to frequency. Stick a runner in a pool, they will get tired. Stick a swimmer on a track, same thing.
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EXACTLY!!

sport specific cardio 101

Jogging (constant state) for combat sports (blast state) is rediclious

That's like training for your fight with lennox lewis by focusing on zumba

Hardcore zumba...reggaeton edition

Zumba is most likely better cardio for combat sports than jogging

At least you move in different directions and your less likely to blow out your ACL or get run over by some fat guy texting in his El Camino
 
Cardio seems to be extremely specific to what it's used for.

Example, I have some experience boxing, but will gas in 1 min if I strike with any sort of effort. I have no experience wrestling, and will gas out in 10 seconds if I go for a takedown. However, I can clinch wrestle for several minutes with serious effort. Makes no sense. Perhaps it's because I enjoy clinch wrestling over shooting for the leg?
 
A.S. Deep said:
Cardio seems to be extremely specific to what it's used for.

Example, I have some experience boxing, but will gas in 1 min if I strike with any sort of effort. I have no experience wrestling, and will gas out in 10 seconds if I go for a takedown. However, I can clinch wrestle for several minutes with serious effort. Makes no sense. Perhaps it's because I enjoy clinch wrestling over shooting for the leg?
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An excellent point

Each sport has a radically different type of strategy and you have to know when to blast and know when to rest

will a world champion wrestler gas as quick as a fat guy doing a different combat sport...no

but he won't last as long as someone with his cardio should because he's out of his element
 
Why do people in this thread talk like the runners came to the gym for first time and gassed it means they have bad cardio?

Of course he will gas because his body is not used to it.

But every guy that trained for a time and did running had excellent cardio in my experience.

You can do both you know, sport training in the evening and running in the morning
 
Cole train said:
Why do people in this thread talk like the runners came to the gym for first time and gassed it means they have bad cardio?

Of course he will gas because his body is not used to it.

But every guy that trained for a time and did running had excellent cardio in my experience.

You can do both you know, sport training in the evening and running in the morning
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Runners gas in wrestling faster than wrestlers gas in running because wrestling is more cardio demanding than running

If you wrestled in the am AND
pm instead of running you would have EVEN BETTER cardio

Unless you want to be a runner specifically you shouldn't run for cardio for any other sport because running is a very specific activity that builds a specific type of cardio and is a waste of time for those of you who want to develop cardio for other sports

Logistics sometimes conspire to make it impossible to train with a partner so in those instances you should hit bags, do sport specific polymerics like sprawl shoot drills or al least swim or ride a bike because they are better blast cardio then sustained jogging

Worked for my wrestling team...bigtime
 
-guerilla- said:
Runners gas in wrestling faster than wrestlers gas in running because wrestling is more cardio demanding than running

If you wrestled in the am AND
pm instead of running you would have EVEN BETTER cardio

Unless you want to be a runner specifically you shouldn't run for cardio for any other sport because running is a very specific activity that builds a specific type of cardio and is a waste of time for those of you who want to develop cardio for other sports

Logistics sometimes conspire to make it impossible to train with a partner so in those instances you should hit bags, do sport specific polymerics like sprawl shoot drills or al least swim or ride a bike because they are better blast cardio then sustained jogging

Worked for my wrestling team...bigtime
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It's because wrestlers already know how to run and work the muscles used in running during a wrestling workout. Most runners have zero knowledge on wrestling and grappling. Not only are they inefficient and lacking in technique, they haven't trained a lot of the muscles needed for wrestling.

It has nothing to do with wrestling, which can be a great cardio workout, being a better cardio workout than running. Your theory is easily debunked with a heart rate monitor.

#takentoschool
 
Robocok said:
It's because wrestlers already know how to run and work the muscles used in running during a wrestling workout. Most runners have zero knowledge on wrestling and grappling. Not only are they inefficient and lacking in technique, they haven't trained a lot of the muscles needed for wrestling.

It has nothing to do with wrestling, which can be a great cardio workout, being a better cardio workout than running. Your theory is easily debunked with a heart rate monitor.

#takentoschool
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# school bell rings

Jogging is only a fraction of the cardio demand of wrestling

And its a completely different type of cardio

Unless you have competition AND coaching experience you probably dont understand the science behind athletic training and resort to the monkey see monkey do approach

In 100 years they will look back at the training methods of today the same way we look back 100 years in our current past and balk at all the silly crap they used to believe



You just keep running for cardio and i will keep WRESTLING for cardio and when we meet on the mat its gonna be apparent whos in better condition

# school bell rings
 
-guerilla- said:
# school bell rings

Jogging is only a fraction of the cardio demand of wrestling

And its a completely different type of cardio

Unless you have competition AND coaching experience you probably dont understand the science behind athletic training and resort to the monkey see monkey do approach

In 100 years they will look back at the training methods of today the same way we look back 100 years in our current past and balk at all the silly crap they used to believe



You just keep running for cardio and i will keep WRESTLING for cardio and when we meet on the mat its gonna be apparent whos in better condition

# school bell rings
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you do realize top wrestlers do both because they dont exclude each other?
 
-guerilla- said:
# school bell rings

Jogging is only a fraction of the cardio demand of wrestling

And its a completely different type of cardio

Unless you have competition AND coaching experience you probably dont understand the science behind athletic training and resort to the monkey see monkey do approach

In 100 years they will look back at the training methods of today the same way we look back 100 years in our current past and balk at all the silly crap they used to believe



You just keep running for cardio and i will keep WRESTLING for cardio and when we meet on the mat its gonna be apparent whos in better condition

# school bell rings
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I just pointed out that your previous example is invalid and you're sidestepping it.

#stammerandsputter
#wallsareclosingin
#gotya
#scared
 
JimRussel said:
#notbig
#notstrong
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Post your pics then. I've yet to see a single top tier physique in the thread I made. A couple pretty decent ones like @Felsh, @7even and @Bodil but all the supposedly biggest, strongest guys find excuses not to show their frame claiming it's gay or whatever.

I'm not big or strong yet but I'm definitely making gains. If you know more, prove it. If you show pics, it'd be nice to know whether you're natural. Anyone can type at the keyboard.

#putuporshutup
 
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