Why do accomplished Runners do so poorly at MMA cardio?

[Robocok]

then I guess we’re all good lol

Sure, this is you

 

[-guerilla-]

you do realize top wrestlers do both because they dont exclude each other?

"Top wrestlers" do what their coaches tell them to

They (the coaches) do what THEIR COACHES told them to

So on so forth and thus a generic training schedule is birthed

It takes a radical individual to change traditional practices

I approach all of life's challenges by the scientific method

Why would you run for cardio when you could be wrestling for cardio?

 

[Cole train]

"Top wrestlers" do what their coaches tell them to

They (the coaches) do what THEIR COACHES told them to

So on so forth and thus a generic training schedule is birthed

It takes a radical individual to change traditional practices

I approach all of life's challenges by the scientific method

Why would you run for cardio when you could be wrestling for cardio?

injury risk for example

but im not coach so what do i know but what i do know is they run in caucasus on top of their wrestling and they produce best wrestlers in the world

 

[-guerilla-]

I just pointed out that your previous example is invalid and you're sidestepping it.

#stammerandsputter
#wallsareclosingin
#gotya
#scared

# copycat
# invalid

* said an annoymous internet avatar

 

[monkeyrhythm]

I've just got in after our work's Christmas do so I'm not up to speed:

 

[Twelvepack]

As someone that's been involved in the industry for so long I have seen hundreds and hundreds of excellent Runner show up to the gym only to get smoked on the mat.[/B]

This was particularly noticeable at the high school level where excellent endurance Runners would often try their hand at wrestling.

I had a severe motorcycle accident at 16 and was never able to run.

I was also a super-heavyweight averaging around 20 to 30% body fat.

My cardio was excellent as I routinely beat guys solely on my ability to outgas them on the mat

I would swim and bike as an alternative (when injured) however I spend 99% of my time on the mat otherwise.

When I took over my high school team from the original coach my athletes were shocked that I cut all running out of the program

They were further shocked when they found out that they performed better without running whatsoever.

I developed a saying that I still hold to this day....if you have time to run you didn't spend enough time on the mat today

I firmly believe that grappling and MMA in particular have the highest cardiovascular demands of any athletic activity known to man.

Youve seen 'hundreds' of runners try their hand at mma and get smoked. And you knew them well enough that u knew they were runners. What are u head S&C coach at american top team or something

 

[-guerilla-]

injury risk for example

but im not coach so what do i know but what i do know is they run in caucasus on top of their wrestling and they produce best wrestlers in the world

Higher risk of serious injury in running than wrestling

Especially connective tissue that can be chronic / performance limiting

Some of the best wrestlers come from impoverished places,
They have a lot of superstition especially in poor parts of the world

Running for wrestling cardio is a waste of time if you could have been WRESTLING for cardio

 

[-guerilla-]

I've just got in after our work's Christmas do so I'm not up to speed:
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# resort to comedy

 

[-guerilla-]

They have a lot of superstition especially in poor parts of the world

Running for wrestling cardio is a waste of time if you could have been WRESTLING for cardio

Just a veteran coach with a highschool wrestling program and a MMA club for a few decades

Louisville is Americans 16th largest city and we had a university you may have heard of

Read bio

 

[Bodil]

Post your pics then. I've yet to see a single top tier physique in the thread I made. A couple pretty decent ones like @Felsh, @7even and @Bodil but all the supposedly biggest, strongest guys find excuses not to show their frame claiming it's gay or whatever.

I'm not big or strong yet but I'm definitely making gains. If you know more, prove it. If you show pics, it'd be nice to know whether you're natural. Anyone can type at the keyboard.

#putuporshutup

Thanks!

 

[vladimirvlad]

running is a cyclic activity, MMA is acyclic, it is completely diff activity.

 

[-guerilla-]

running is a cyclic activity, MMA is acyclic, it is completely diff activity.

Yes they are completely different

Have to wonder why prople "run" for MMA cardio

Wont be long before combat athletes abandon sustained running for cardio as it is actually detrimental to MMA performance

 

[Mike Hagger]

I guess it’s impossible to train cardio via sport specific training AND running (sprints, LSD, intervals ect).

Nope.

Cannot be done it’s either all or nothing.

(sarcasm)

An overemphasis on LSD is not really advantageous, otherwise running is a simple way to train.

But I guess to answer the question; how many fucking long distance runners are showing up at MMA gyms? - I haven’t seen it and, anyone who is untrained will have shitty cardio on the mat. How well do runners who do not train in the water fare in the 100m free? If they’re not trained in the water, they’ll do shitty regardless of their RHR or Vo2 max.

Now how many boxers and wrestlers that are champions included running into their programming?

You can have both and be successful.

 

[-guerilla-]

I guess it’s impossible to train cardio via sport specific training AND running (sprints, LSD, intervals ect).

Nope.

Cannot be done it’s either all or nothing.

(sarcasm)

An overemphasis on LSD is not really advantageous, otherwise running is a simple way to train.

But I guess to answer the question; how many fucking long distance runners are showing up at MMA gyms? - I haven’t seen it and, anyone who is untrained will have shitty cardio on the mat. How well do runners who do not train in the water fare in the 100m free? If they’re not trained in the water, they’ll do shitty regardless of their RHR or Vo2 max.

Now how many boxers and wrestlers that are champions included running into their programming?

You can have both and be successful.

Just because all your heros did it doesn't mean it's the best way for a combat athlete to build and maintain cardio

The punchline really boils down to blast cardio versus sustained cardio and what we now know (through modern science) about what happens to the human body when you focus on sustained cardio



* Hint

Jogging for MMA
(or any combat sport cardio) is STUPID

i knew this back in the 90ties when i was breaking school records because I eliminated running from my wrestling program

 

[-guerilla-]

"Running is a crappy way to lose fat and an inferior way to boost cardiovascular health, but it's somehow become the most popular exercise on Earth after walking"


https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/running-is-the-worst-way-to-get-fit/58497f39180a8bd92531dfce

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/4w375w/running-is-the-worst-way-to-get-fit

 

[Mike Hagger]

Just because all your heros did it doesn't mean it's the best way for a combat athlete to build and maintain cardio

The punchline really boils down to blast cardio versus sustained cardio and what we now know (through modern science) about what happens to the human body when you focus on sustained cardio



* Hint

Jogging for MMA
(or any combat sport cardio) is STUPID

i knew this back in the 90ties when i was breaking school records because I eliminated running from my wrestling program

What records? You always cite your experience but who the fuck are you? Where is the proof? You know how many frauds roll through this site? You can claim all the elite accomplishments you’d like but at least demonstrate the proof.

Anyways you suck at reading, and citing a YouTube channel with almost 0 credentials is shit form if you’re going to go the science direction. Nonetheless that that particular video uses a British study of runners who completed plus 26mi a week. That’s a significant difference than an athlete doing sprints and interval training, which is specifically what I said can be programmed in conjunction with sport specific.

Literally words I’ve already typed.

You argue with yourself. Buy glasses. Learn to read.

 

[-guerilla-]

What records? You always cite your experience but who the fuck are you? Where is the proof? You know how many frauds roll through this site? You can claim all the elite accomplishments you’d like but at least demonstrate the proof.

Anyways you suck at reading, and citing a YouTube channel with almost 0 credentials is shit form if you’re going to go the science direction. Nonetheless that that particular video uses a British study of runners who completed plus 26mi a week. That’s a significant difference than an athlete doing sprints and interval training, which is specifically what I said can be programmed in conjunction with sport specific.

Literally words I’ve already typed.

You argue with yourself. Buy glasses. Learn to read.

sound like i struck a nerve

thats understandable

have you been "running for cardio" and now feel foolish for copying your heroes that believed in all kinds of silly sport training fallacies??

better drink some raw eggs and avoid sex on a count a women weaken legs [LOL]

I have been interrogated by lots of silly internet avatars

if someone actually makes a good point and has some kind of verifiable background its respectable

if they talk smack, use cartoons to diss people and hide behind internet anonymity they are just a common troll

i ragdoll trolls for fun

now you go run for cardio...

i will fight for cardio and when we meet in the ring I will cook you like a raw egg



after ELIMINATING "running for cardio" for my wrestling program I broke 30+ years of records with a team that now WRESTLED for cardio

previously [b4 i took over the program] the athletes would show up for a 2 hr practice session and change into their running gear

after about 35-45 min they would have nearly 1 hr 15 min left over for WRESTLING practice...

of course the heavyweights could barely wrestle at all [since they were broken down from all that stupid running]

I devised a 5 min high intensity warm up and from then on out my team spent 1 hour and 55 min WRESTLING FOR CARDIO

I took a commonly LAST PLACE TEAM to the middle of the pack in districts OVERNIGHT

i then scored the most points in Atherton wrestling highschool history in 1999-2000 state tournament

I am a record breaking wrestling coach and I founded one of the first MMA gyms in american history

who are you?

someone who still runs for cardio?

AVOID THIS VIDEO

it may cause discomfort and confusion

 

[-guerilla-]

"My point, of course, is that the human organism is made for short, intense bursts of activity laid atop a foundation of frequent slow moving. We aren’t “supposed” to run as hard as we can for two or three hours. We’re not supposed to run with the express purpose of “burning calories.” We can certainly choose to do those activities, and we’ll become adapted (or perhaps inured) to them, and they may even make us “fit,” but they’re not the healthiest, most efficient path to fitness. Chronic cardio is the meandering, roundabout trail that will get you there with a ton of bruises, scratches, a tick or two, and a sprained ankle. Oh, and you might get eaten by a bear along the way.

Your choice"

https://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-evidence-continues-to-mount-against-chronic-cardio/

 

[monkeyrhythm]

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/conditioning-faq-version-2-1.2206581/

 

[Noodles03]

"Running is a crappy way to lose fat and an inferior way to boost cardiovascular health, but it's somehow become the most popular exercise on Earth after walking"

Running for me has always been awesome for weight management. Of course, I’m fully aware of what works for me may not be the best for someone else.