Why didn't we elect this man President?

[Higus]

lol @ Kasich

The only republican liberals like because he's policies aren't too right-wing for them...but he's not a RINO lol

Not that I would call Kasich a centrist, but when the country is divided as it is, what's wrong with trying to support the more moderate candidate? This is why we can't have nice things.

 

[kpt018]

Not that I would call Kasich a centrist, but when the country is divided as it is, what's wrong with trying to support the more moderate candidate? This is why we can't have nice things.

His point was stupid and ignores what is a reasonable response, like the one you have.

Left leaning folks will support left leaning candidates but given the choice between extreme right wing lunatics or a conservative that still appears to care about people, of course liberals would choose the latter. But in the mind of these idiots that makes him a RINO, of course because he isn't crazy enough. I mean, how can you be a republican if you don't want to take away people's health insurance?

Some of these guys are brain dead.

 

[klnOmega]

How big did he want to build the wall? I vote for whoever promises the largest wall.

 

[Higus]

His point was stupid and ignores what is a reasonable response, like the one you have.

Left leaning folks will support left leaning candidates but given the choice between extreme right wing lunatics or a conservative that still appears to care about people, of course liberals would choose the latter. But in the mind of these idiots that makes him a RINO, of course because he isn't crazy enough. I mean, how can you be a republican if you don't want to take away people's health insurance?

Some of these guys are brain dead.

I don't know if that's entirely true. I think there is a stronger sense of "practicality" on the left when selecting candidates. Can't really quantify it, just a general perception.

 

[kpt018]

I don't know if that's entirely true. I think there is a stronger sense of "practicality" on the left when selecting candidates. Can't really quantify it, just a general perception.

What part isn't true (or entirely true)?

 

[Rational Poster]

How big did he want to build the wall? I vote for whoever promises the largest wall.

You just like promises right?

Because the isn't going to be a wall anytime soon.

 

[Higus]

What part isn't true (or entirely true)?

Reading it again, I read your post incorrectly. My bad.
The point I would make is that picking a practical, working candidate seems to be a higher priority for the left, whereas the right has been tearing each other apart over ideological purity instead of actually governing. That might change now that the Dems are the opposition party.

 

[kpt018]

Reading it again, I read your post incorrectly. My bad.
The point I would make is that picking a practical, working candidate seems to be a higher priority for the left, whereas the right has been tearing each other apart over ideological purity instead of actually governing. That might change now that the Dems are the opposition party.

All good dude, I wasn't even being combative just genuinely curious if you disagreed.

And I agree with this. Generally speaking, I think the left is less likely to be tribal and cares more about policy.

 

[91 seconds]

The ultimate in vanity, exploiting their supremacy. I can't believe the things you say. I can't believe the price, the price, you pay! Nothing can save you..

Justice is lost
Justice is raped
Justice is gone..

Pulling your strings..
Justice is done!

Seeking no truth
Winning is all
Find it so grim
So true
So real!!

 

[lecter]

But in the mind of these idiots that makes him a RINO, of course because he isn't crazy enough. I mean, how can you be a republican if you don't want to take away people's health insurance?
Some of these guys are brain dead.

Or MAYBE it has something to do with the fact that people aren't braindead and actually remember that this was exactly his platform when he was running for governor - what you would call 'taking people's health insurance'.
Then after being elected, he did a one-eighty on everything. So why would anybody vote for him?
Those who agree with his platform when he was running for Governor already know that he flip-flopped, those who agree with what he said during the presidential campaign already know that he might do the exact opposite anyway.

Funny how everybody in this thread refuses to address it even though I've brought it up on page 2 and instead creates one strawman after the other. "Republican voters think that/ hate him because..."
There are perfectly rational reasons not to vote for him.
No matter what your political position is, complaining about people not voting for a politician who already did a major flip-flop after he was elected the last time is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[ineverpost]

He is honest and because of that, no one will donate him the money necessary to win a major election.

 

[Makani]

He'd be doing a lot of the same things Trump is doing, just a lot more covertly and without all the easy to disprove statements. Kasich has his upside, but he's still going to rubber stamp a lot of what comes out of Congress.

Mind you, I'd take him in a heartbeat, at least he'd have some shame and a clue about how things work.

 

[kpt018]

Or MAYBE it has something to do with the fact that people aren't braindead and actually remember that this was exactly his platform when he was running for governor - what you would call 'taking people's health insurance'.
Then after being elected, he did a one-eighty on everything. So why would anybody vote for him?
Those who agree with his platform when he was running for Governor already know that he flip-flopped, those who agree with what he said during the presidential campaign already know that he might do the exact opposite anyway.

Funny how everybody in this thread refuses to address it even though I've brought it up on page 2 and instead creates one strawman after the other. "Republican voters think that/ hate him because..."
There are perfectly rational reasons not to vote for him.
No matter what your political position is, complaining about people not voting for a politician who already did a major flip-flop after he was elected the last time is absolutely ridiculous.

Ok, maybe you should read my post again. The main point is there is no way you can claim he is a RINO. He is quite conservative, even if you don't like his positions or think he flipped. The point is the Republican party is bigger than just some extreme right wing, tiny government people. There is a spectrum. Hard to believe, I know.

Arguing that the government should ensure healthcare doesn't make you a Democrat. Shit, the ACA was an idea presented by many old time Republicans.

 

[luckyshot]

I'm not a big fan of Kaisich. His record in Ohio isn't great. He is very anti-union and, while he admits climate change is real, he is ambiguous/ambivalent on whether or not we should take action on it.

That being said, he is a mature adult human being, and I would knock on doors for him if he were to primary Trump in a 2020.

 

[lecter]

Ok, maybe you should read my post again. The main point is there is no way you can claim he is a RINO.

Yeah sure but the point that he is or isn't a RINO might not be the reason why people didn't vote for him.
"Republicans think he's a RINO" is based on what? Sherdog - War room? Reddit's the_donald?
Where do you get the information from that his inconsistency isn't a bigger concern than being 'a RINO'?

He is quite conservative, even if you don't like his positions or think he flipped.

Well, it has nothing to do with how I like his positions and it's not up for debate if he flipped, it's a simple fact.

The point is the Republican party is bigger than just some extreme right wing, tiny government people. There is a spectrum. Hard to believe, I know.

No, it's not hard to believe, I know that very well. That doesn't change the fact that this was his platform and that he did a 180. He decided that he wants to run on small-government, anti-Obamacare, reduce spending back then in Ohio, I didn't.

Arguing that the government should ensure healthcare doesn't make you a Democrat. Shit, the ACA was an idea presented by many old time Republicans.

Again I agree and again it's entirely irrelevant to what I've pointed out. He was the one who basically chose the tea-party position when he was running for governor, then flip-flopped and transformed into what you're describing now.

Ok, maybe you should read my post again.

Maybe you should do the same because you didn't answer anything I've pointed out but added a few things that are completely irrelevant. I could criticize the same if I thought that small governments are stupid and Obamacare is the way to go.

 

[djacobox372]

The GOP base hated kasich because he wasn't a big enough a-hole. They see someone that cares about people as "weak."

 

[kpt018]

Yeah sure but the point that he is or isn't a RINO might not be the reason why people didn't vote for him.
"Republicans think he's a RINO" is based on what? Sherdog - War room? Reddit's the_donald?
Where do you get the information from that his inconsistency isn't a bigger concern than being 'a RINO'?


Well, it has nothing to do with how I like his positions and it's not up for debate if he flipped, it's a simple fact.

No, it's not hard to believe, I know that very well. That doesn't change the fact that this was his platform and that he did a 180. He decided that he wants to run on small-government, anti-Obamacare, reduce spending back then in Ohio, I didn't.

Again I agree and again it's entirely irrelevant to what I've pointed out. He was the one who basically chose the tea-party position when he was running for governor, then flip-flopped and transformed into what you're describing now.

Maybe you should do the same because you didn't answer anything I've pointed out but added a few things that are completely irrelevant. I could criticize the same if I thought that small governments are stupid and Obamacare is the way to go.

You're changing the topic. I actually think Kasich is a shit candidate and have said so in the past. I believe I used the term "wolf in sheep's clothing" during the election.

So your framing here, that I should somehow answer as to why he's a good candidate or as to why people should/shouldn't support him, is showing that you didn't read my post because I am not making that claim. All I said is I would trade him for Trump, but that is a very low bar.

If you're going to quote me at least address what I've said.

 

[SleepyBoy]

I didn't see anything special about that interview. He comes off as smart and reasonable, I will give him that, but that's the game... pretend to be reasonable and then pass the same ole shit.

The reason why he didn't win is..

1. People didn't believe he is the type of fighter that can beat Hillary who was obviously the chosen candidate among the elite.
2. He didn't have a hook. Something that he really stood behind that people could associate with him.
3. Jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs jobs, jobs, jobs.... Didn't convince people that he would bring in new better jobs. This is the most important issue in every election, ignore it at your own peril.

 

[kpt018]

I didn't see anything special about that interview. He comes off as smart and reasonable, I will give him that, but that's the game... pretend to be reasonable and then pass the same ole shit.

The reason why he didn't win is..

1. People didn't believe he is the type of fighter that can beat Hillary who was obviously the chosen candidate among the elite.
2. He didn't have a hook. Something that he really stood behind that people could associate with him.
3. Jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs jobs, jobs, jobs.... Didn't convince people that he would bring in new better jobs. This is the most important issue in every election, ignore it at your own peril.

Yeah, and it was easy to come off as reasonable in that interview.

Do you support healthcare for taxpayers? Yes? WOWOW you should be president!

 

[lecter]

If you're going to quote me at least address what I've said.

I quoted this:

But in the mind of these idiots that makes him a RINO, of course because he isn't crazy enough. I mean, how can you be a republican if you don't want to take away people's health insurance?

and said there are more rational reasons to not vote for Kasich and there are objective problems with his stance on HC, independent from political beliefs (inconsistency), so nobody has to think he's "a RINO" to not vote for him.

Maybe I should phrase it as a question:
Do you have any reason to believe that "people thinking he's a RINO" was more significant for his lack of success than "Republicans remembering that he's a flip-flopper anyway"? Or significant at all? Or that anybody other than a few online posters thought this?
Who actually thinks he's a RINO and emphasizes this 'fact' over his inconsistency? Who are 'these idiots'? War room posters, a couple of redditors, 4chan? I mean could say 'lol dumb Democrats didn't vote for Bernie because they thought he's a Stalinist' or 10,000 other stupid arguments. And I'm sure we'll find some posts on the internet which say exactly that. But I doubt it's relevant for Bernie's loss.