Why didn't we elect this man President?

I quoted this:

and said there are more rational reasons to not vote for Kasich and there are objective problems with his stance on HC, independent from political beliefs (inconsistency), so nobody has to think he's "a RINO" to not vote for him.

Right, and you should notice I didn't say shit about people's reasons for voting for him or not. I am simply saying that the charge of being a RINO is wrong.

Maybe I should phrase it as a question:
Do you have any reason to believe that "people thinking he's a RINO" was more significant for his lack of success than "Republicans remembering that he's a flip-flopper anyway"? Or significant at all? Or that anybody other than a few online posters thought this?
Who actually thinks he's a RINO and emphasizes this 'fact' over his inconsistency? Who are 'these idiots'? War room posters, a couple of redditors, 4chan? I mean could say 'lol dumb Democrats didn't vote for Bernie because they thought he's a Stalinist' or 10,000 other stupid arguments. And I'm sure we'll find some posts on the internet which say exactly that. But I doubt it's relevant for Bernie's loss.
Let's stop fucking around. What left wing positions does Kasich hold? And what right wing positions does he hold? Instead of positions talk about policy if you like.

If you want to make the case he's left wing then tell us what he's done that is left wing.
 
What's funny is the gullible rubes ITT actually think Kasich wouldn't immediately be branded as a evil, rich, white supremacist kkk sympathizer the minute he gets the nomination.

They run the same playbook on every republican. Its like how the left treats Bush, McCain, and Lindsey Graham as reasonable moderates in 2017 when it suits them while forgetting that they were evil Nazis just 10 yrs ago.

Plus he eats like a damn horse.
 


The other part of Maher's show from Friday night. Kasich opens a bit shaky by trying to split hairs on recreational vs. medicinal marijuana, which Maher rightly calls out, but from that point on it is a splendid interview revealing the "reformation" of the Republican party that was genuinely needed, not this "anti-establishment" mongoloid who currently inhabits the office; that Kasich was ever perceived as the "establishment" just reveals how ignorant the Trumpets are.

Trump was supposed to be the guy who radically redefined the Republican party. What a spectacular lie. What a cheap con. From killing internet privacy/neutrality to proposing a one-page tax plan that kills taxes for the 1% to his health care plan that seems determined to kill everybody but Warren Buffett...the man has proven to be nothing but a lie.

He was supposed to be the outsider who would rein in Wall Street, but instead Goldman Sachs alumni and other billionaires hold more positions in his cabinet than in any administration in history. His son-in-law (who is a lifelong Democrat) recently was revealed to secretly hold partnerships with Goldman Sachs and George Soros.

He is rolling back Frank-Dodd which was the backbone of some of the only protections against central banking malfeasance that led to the Great Recession. There's no talk about restoring previous protections or measures like Glass-Steagall, either, or creating new but spiritually similar legislation. There's no talk of restrictions or reform of any kind for the central banks & the largest hedge fund managers that doesn't involve the word "deregulation". This is probably the only real estate in the country where nearly every American agrees that regulations are a good and necessary thing with more needed.

Each new day brings a troubling new headline about Trump businesses abusing the separation of vested financial family interest. Just this week they used an official state department's twitter to pimp Ivanka's book, and pushed reporters out of a room where many of Kushner's business associates were speaking with Chinese elites.

He was going to be the President who stopped ruling by executive decree, and yet he's issued more executive orders in his first 100 days than any other President except for FDR (who was socializing everything to fight off the Great Depression). They're not even well-written, btw, because the man can barely read, and struggles comprehending even the simplest metaphors like George W. Bush's famous remark that there are "no corners in the Oval Office".

He relentlessly harangued Obama for taking too many vacations and wasting taxpayer money, and yet he spent nearly as much of our money carting state retinues to Mar-A-Lago in his first month (heavily padding his own pocket) than Obama spent on travel and vacations in his first year.

He was going to be the President who understood job creation, but he's creating jobs at a slower rate than Obama did last year, and the majority of pay improvement is going to supervisors/management.

He was supposed to be the candidate who would end the globalist cabal by restoring relations with Putin and other governments focused on actually exterminating radical Islam, while simultaneously pulling us out of the quagmire of war that serves only the military industrial complex, and yet a few months later he hammers Assad with 59 Tomahawks while playing cold war games of hysterical escalation with North Korea. No permission asked. We're still installed in the Middle East. He appears determined not only to spend more than ever on the military, but also to be at least equally interventionist as the most neoconservative past administrations, and to be more unilateral as an executive than ever before.

Many classic conservatives supported Trump because of the Supreme Court seat due to their commanding desire to finally do something about abortion. To many conservatives, abortion is the #1 evil in government public policy. Well, he just fully funded Planned Parenthood again. So much for that.

Any hope he was going to get the Republicans off the railroad tracks terminating off the side of a cliff with the marijuana issue? Nope, nope, nope. We have an AG who analogizes marijuana to heroin, and is promising to use federal drug laws to bully state, county, and municipal districts that defy him (and like any good lawman, he has openly flirted with implementing this strategy to harass politically antagonistic districts for entirely unrelated matters, such as sanctuary cities). Expecting an end to big government Republicanism and a return to classic libertarian philosophy? Not here! Not a chance!

He's a populist, alright: a Goldman Sachs populist. Face it, Trumpets: you got conned.

Now go and listen to Kasich speak. This is the tone needed for the future of the Republican party. This is a man who could push policy that has a chance for long-term health in terms of making inroads into minorities, women, and the less affluent. This is the reform the Republican party needs. Fiscal responsibility doesn't entail draconian callousness, and it absolutely shouldn't be married to gross ignorance like climate change denialism or anti-vaccine rhetoric.

Trump is just cocking 2043's hammer. ICE isn't changing the evolution of the country's demographic make-up. A toll will be paid. I'm white, so I would prefer it not be paid in blood.


Because the party he represents, don't represent his values of reason, logic and compassion.
 
If you want to make the case he's left wing then tell us what he's done that is left wing.
No I don't lol. I think he's far more right than the general public thinks, as you've said: "wolf in sheep's clothing" ( of course from a liberal's perspective). That's dead on. He's closer to a centrist than Rand Paul or Ted Cruz or Mike Pence but enough to the right that it makes me wonder why some Democrats seem to "like" him.

However, he did massively shift to the left from his original conservative far-right quasi-tea party positions after he was elected. So when people say well he's a sell-out, he's a conman etc it's simply based on that shift.
Doesn't mean that he's a lefty now, I think I wouldn't even call him a centrist. I mean, personally I would but I understand that objectively he probably isn't. But again: that's his fault. Nobody forced him to rant against Obamacare, preach 'real conservatism', small governments and reduced spending before he increased spending and expanded Obamacare. I get why people see him as a typical politician and 'traitor'.
 
No I don't lol. I think he's far more right than the general public thinks, as you've said: "wolf in sheep's clothing" ( of course from a liberal's perspective). That's dead on. He's closer to a centrist than Rand Paul or Ted Cruz or Mike Pence but enough to the right that it makes me wonder why some Democrats seem to "like" him.

However, he did massively shift to the left from his original conservative far-right quasi-tea party positions after he was elected. So when people say well he's a sell-out, he's a conman etc it's simply based on that shift.
Doesn't mean that he's a lefty now, I think I wouldn't even call him a centrist. I mean, personally I would but I understand that objectively he probably isn't. But again: that's his fault. Nobody forced him to rant against Obamacare, preach 'real conservatism', small governments and reduced spending before he increased spending and expanded Obamacare. I get why people see him as a typical politician and 'traitor'.
Ok, well we could have agreed a lot sooner if you posted this first! What the hell was all the confusion?

I am equally confused why Democrats like him. Sure, he's better than Cruz and the like but still very much a conservative. The nice guy demeanor doesn't fool me.
 
Ok, well we could have agreed a lot sooner if you posted this first! What the hell was all the confusion?

I am equally confused why Democrats like him. Sure, he's better than Cruz and the like but still very much a conservative. The nice guy demeanor doesn't fool me.
Look like we actually have the same point, kind of.
Why would a centrist or center-right voter even trust him now? The same way he shifted from tea party/right-wing libertarian propaganda to playing the nice centrist with moderate-conservative positions, he could shift to whatever he thinks looks good the next day. It's obvious that he's adjusting his positions to whatever he thinks works. Who knows what he would do?
The times of tea-party paroles are over, that's why he doesn't echo them anymore. There was a time, after Obama won, after Obamacare was introduced, when it was a winning strategy on the right.
The 'reasonable' common sense guy without many extreme positions obviously was his new role, he just gave something else a try. It's also not a coincidence that he appears in front of liberal audiences and tv channels and plays the moderate guy in times of #resist and #notmypresident.
He'll run again in 4 years.
 
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I have always thought he was a weirdo. Whenever he eats on camera, as he loves to do for some reason, he acts like it's his last meal. Maybe he does in fact think it's his last meal, because Jesus coming back is surely right around the corner. Kasich has affirmed Jesus, a first century palestinian jew, will redeem america within Kasich's lifetime, after all.......
 
Yeah, and it was easy to come off as reasonable in that interview.

Do you support healthcare for taxpayers? Yes? WOWOW you should be president!
Very soft ball interview
 
It's probably because you didn't care about anything but Trump memes and lolz.

This really is it.

Conservatives just have to accept that a very large part of their side is terribly emotional and irrational. They simply don't care about policy or platforms. They're more concerned with image and feels.

Guys like Kasich have a "weak" image and elicit feelings of blandness. Trump is outrageous, totally delivers zingers, and talks tough. He portrayed a tough image because he got the liberals all mad. So it's really no contest.
 
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