Elections Chile Elect "Far Right" Candidate José Antonio Kast as Next President

[SurferH2O]

@EL CORINTHIAN

You liked his post, does that mean you're as much of an idiot as he is? I never thought you were.

Surely you agree that studies over decades have proven political violence from the right is vastly more lethal, and dangerous in general.

If not, can you provide evidence to the contrary that's more compelling than Short-Bus McGee's ridiculous lists?

I thought you were joking... but you're a total partisan dumbass, aren't you?

You can't come close to the list I generated that has Conservatives being as violent in rhetoric and actions as the Left. You're talking out of your ass and proud of it.

 

[Loiosh]

I liked your post as well, so now you can't be all angry.

I have never cared about likes, and I'm not angry.

I ask questions and appreciate when they're addressed.

Yes, I'm putting you on the spot asking you to be honest and admit violence is far more common and dangerous from the right, but no, I don't ever expect you to admit that, especially not openly in a place like this.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

the people of Chile have elected to pull themselves up by their bootstraps instead of continuing to allow their country to rot under leftist policies.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Point two: Pretty sure everyone agrees if an immigrant is convicted of a crime, he should be deported. The disagreement lies when you paint all brown immigrants as criminals, a sentiment echoed by many conservatives and said out loud by Trump. Secondary disagreement on these lines is that the act of illegal immigration does not in itself make you a criminal worthy of deporting. These are disagreements so feel free to disagree with me.

Yeah, that tweet works as a big gotcha if you don't actually play it. Hillary actually hints at amnesty after she says what everyone agrees on: criminal illegals should get deported.

What's considered far-right (because it is) is what Trump ran on: deporting every single illegal, no matter their age, employment, criminal history, etc. Hunt them down Gestapo-style in schools, job sites, apartments, hospitals, and ship them away.

 

[Loiosh]

I thought you were joking... but you're a total partisan dumbass, aren't you?

You can't come close to the list I generated that has Conservatives being as violent in rhetoric and actions as the Left. You're talking out of your ass and proud of it.

You list is almost entirely imaginary because you only look at the world through a depraved, hyper partisan lens.

As you would know if you had an IQ north of 60 the overwhelmingly conservative FBI has been saying for decades that the right wing is considerably more violent and dangerous.

You're one of those people who finds a reason to dismiss anyone who says he's wrong, and is forced to live in fantasy to support his actions.

What did you think of those right wing extremists who were blowing up power stations a couple of years ago? Let me guess, white supremacists and neo-Nazis are leftists, right? Even the ones who blew up a power station to prevent a drag queen story hour, and plunged tens of thousands of citizens into icy darkness to do it?

You don't see anything that gets in the way of your stories.

 

[Siver!]

Yeah, that tweet works as a big gotcha if you don't actually play it. Hillary actually hints at amnesty after she says what everyone agrees on: criminal illegals should get deported.

What's considered far-right (because it is) is what Trump ran on: deporting every single illegal, no matter their age, employment, criminal history, etc. Hunt them down Gestapo-style in schools, job sites, apartments, hospitals, and ship them away.

"Far right", for me, involves ignoring the law to inflict upon people.

Like when that dumb broad Noem failed to answer whether it was legal to deport those seeking asylum or not.

Trump has been hauled through the courts several times as he "expediates" processes - ie, ignores the law.

That's far right because they're operating well outside established norms.

This US government? Far right. Not genocidal or anything, just politically far right - and typically for far right governments, dehumanising others is the main way to gain support for illegal actions from the unthinking masses.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Can't really comment on the fears of Chile "becoming Colombia", any Sherbros on here know much about the state of Chilean politics?

All of Latin America is fed up with street crime. Getting mugged, getting your money taken, getting your home broken into and your car stolen is extremely common.

Chile is on the low end of this but they're still pissed. El Salvador's methods are becoming attractive to a lot of countries.

Having said that, Chile is very moderate and this Kast dude doesn't have a majority in congress. He'll probably be drawn to the center just like his predecessor was.

 

[SurferH2O]

You list is almost entirely imaginary because you only look at the world through a depraved, hyper partisan lens.

As you would know if you had an IQ north of 60 the overwhelmingly conservative FBI has been saying for decades that the right wing is considerably more violent and dangerous.

You're one of those people who finds a reason to dismiss anyone who says he's wrong, and is forced to live in fantasy to support his actions.

What did you think of those right wing extremists who were blowing up power stations a couple of years ago? Let me guess, white supremacists and neo-Nazis are leftists, right? Even the ones who blew up a power station to prevent a drag queen story hour, and plunged tens of thousands of citizens into icy darkness to do it?

You don't see anything that gets in the way of your stories.

^^^ Can debunk none of my list and claims it is mostly entirely imaginary. ROFL!





I didn't realize what a delusional idiot you are, but now we know.

You can't refute it, so you dismiss it like a good little sheep. You are a little bitch in life, and that's tragic for those around you.

 

[Loiosh]

^^^ Can debunk none of my list and claims it is mostly entirely imaginary. ROFL!





I didn't realize what a delusional idiot you are, but now we know.

You can't refute it, so you dismiss it like a good little sheep. You are a little bitch in life, and that's tragic for those around you.

You didn't address any of my issues, including the one that makes it clear why I don't need to deal with your silly list.

Are you saying your list is more compelling than several decades of work from the FBI?

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

I have never cared about likes, and I'm not angry.

I ask questions and appreciate when they're addressed.

Yes, I'm putting you on the spot asking you to be honest and admit violence is far more common and dangerous from the right, but no, I don't ever expect you to admit that, especially not openly in a place like this.

These conversations are never productive because the moment violence enters the equation, everyone is too busy reframing what their side believes or represents In order to get away from the charge.

Leftisms revolutionary character is inextricably linked with violence as a means of progress, yet the moment you mention communism and the millions of lives it's claimed or anarchists Molotov cocktailing the shit out of things, all of a sudden they liken themselves to reformers instead of revolutionaries. "We are different, that doesn't count!"

It's a stupid conversation to have if we're being honest

 

[ricc505]

Tell us again how it’s the rhetoric from the left that’s violent.

Do you accept that the left has a violence problem?
Or is it just the right?

 

[SurferH2O]

You didn't address any of my issues, including the one that makes it clear why I don't need to deal with your silly list.

Are you saying your list is more compelling than several decades of work from the FBI?

You can't match or debunk that list, because it's true. You lost... cope harder.

 

[Loiosh]

These conversations are never productive because the moment violence enters the equation, everyone is too busy reframing what their side believes or represents In order to get away from the charge.

Leftisms revolutionary character is inextricably linked with violence as a means of progress, yet the moment you mention communism and the millions of lives it's claimed or anarchists Molotov cocktailing the shit out of things, all of a sudden they liken themselves to reformers instead of revolutionaries. "We are different, that doesn't count!"

It's a stupid conversation to have if we're being honest

It's only stupid if we make it stupid.

The right has been saying a lot of stupid things about it for a long time now because you guys are having a hard time accepting the fact you're the baddies. Despite the fact we are almost always talking about violence in America, conservative media has been twisting the conversation around to demonizing the left via communism, and despite the fact it's irrelevant, have told a lot of lies to exaggerate how many people communist regimes have killed.

The argument that communists killed more than fascists comes from a single book, where the author exaggerated every communist death and reduced every fascist death. That said, it doesn't matter, that's pretty much never what we're talking about. We're talking about American violence, which in the modern age has been overwhelmingly right wing. European leftism has always been an entirely different animal.

There was a time when it was different, even in America, where leftists were pretty violent in the face of American fascism (think of the age of the robber barons when Ford had the police gun down strikers; leftists fed off those acts to justify political violence), but the times changed. Liberals gained political power, which they took away from conservatives, who in turn became more and more violent. It's common for those who lose political power to turn to violence.

I won't be surprised if the balance turns again in the next decade. If a strong Democrat isn't elected President to do a heroic job on repairing damage done by Trumpism (and actually does something), the left actually will turn violent.

I don't think this is a stupid conversation because I think these things are obvious but not inevitable. You conservatives keep saying the recent backlash is Democrats' fault, maybe some of you can imagine the backlash Trump is in the process of creating. Indiana just gave Trump the middle finger, it would really help if more conservatives helped stop the bleeding.

Please stop humoring Whippy and his silly lists. He's a mentally handicapped child and he isn't equipped for these conversations, he needs a friend to pull him off the ledge.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

It's only stupid if we make it stupid.

Sure, let's not make it stupid.

The right has been saying a lot of stupid things about it for a long time now because you guys are having a hard time accepting the fact you're the baddies.

And you made it stupid.

I know your someone who posts in good faith, but when I hear you flat out suggesting the opposition are the "baddies" you immediately lose credibility.


Think about what you're saying for a second, because this is precisely how people excuse political violence. When you start looking at these things as a struggle between good and evil, or us vs them, It makes it incredibly difficult to take the conversation seriously.


You're already running defense for communism by suggesting the books have been cooked, so it's pretty clear what a multi-page back and forth about political violence would actually look like with you and it looks like a waste of time to me.

 

[Loiosh]

Sure, let's not make it stupid.


And you made it stupid.

I know your someone who posts in good faith, but when I hear you flat out suggesting the opposition are the "baddies" you immediately lose credibility.


Think about what you're saying for a second, because this is precisely how people excuse political violence. When you start looking at these things as a struggle between good and evil, or us vs them, It makes it incredibly difficult to take the conversation seriously.


You're already running defense for communism by suggesting the books have been cooked, so it's pretty clear what a multi-page back and forth about political violence would actually look like with you and it looks like a waste of time to me.

First of all, my post was really tame and "baddies" was pretty light-hearted. I didn't say you were actually evil or despicable, I chose my words carefully.

Regarding communism vs fascism, that's a distinction only the right cares about. It's like Megyn Kelly pointing out Epstein didn't like five-year-olds, he liked fourteen-year-olds. It's the right that played with the narrative to make sure everyone knew commies were worse than Nazis. I'm not defending communism, I'm all about socialism, Democratic Socialism to be precise. Most of the western world came to that conclusion quite a while back.

My post was something of a gentle olive branch. I was pointing out that the incredibly peaceful left was very likely to turn violent within a decade to see if you could understand why. Did none of that make sense to you?

Hell, I even said there was a time when the left was the violent party. Did you know that analysts are saying the current dip in violence from the right is because they're getting most of what they want?

 

[Rod1]

All of Latin America is fed up with street crime. Getting mugged, getting your money taken, getting your home broken into and your car stolen is extremely common.

Chile is on the low end of this but they're still pissed. El Salvador's methods are becoming attractive to a lot of countries.

Having said that, Chile is very moderate and this Kast dude doesn't have a majority in congress. He'll probably be drawn to the center just like his predecessor was.

Not to mention that he won because the other side literally ran a communist as candidate, not American "communist" but literal communist from the communist party, hammer and sickle.

Also Chileans are fed up with Venezuelans to a point where the left ran campaigns blaming the right for the immigration crisis.

But it was kind of hard to run on anti-immigration when the refugee crisis was caused by a despotic dictator and the economic system that your party openly supports even to this day.

And as you mentioned Kast will be a center guy, mostly because Kast supported the very Constitution that makes making changes in Chile extremely hard.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Not to mention that he won because the other side literally ran a communist as candidate, not American "communist" but literal communist from the communist party, hammer and sickle.

Also Chileans are fed up with Venezuelans to a point where the left ran campaigns blaming the right for the immigration crisis.

But it was kind of hard to run on anti-immigration when the refugee crisis was caused by a despotic dictator and the economic system that your party openly supports even to this day.

And as you mentioned Kast will be a center guy, mostly because Kast supported the very Constitution that makes making changes in Chile extremely hard.

Jara wasn't some extremist though. Ok, she's a member of the Communist Party but this party was part of the same coalition that Boric founded and that was just in power.

Jara herself was Labor Minister under Boric and was even a part of the very centrist Bachelet administration. No way she's a radical.

 

[Rod1]

Jara wasn't some extremist though. Ok, she's a member of the Communist Party but this party was part of the same coalition that Boric founded and that was just in power.

Jara literally called Cuba as just a "different type of democracy"

Jara herself was Labor Minister under Boric and was even a part of the very centrist Bachelet administration.

And? just because communists see nowadays a better path to power through the democratic process doesn't stops the fact that she still part of a hardcore Communist Party.

No way she's a radical.

Man even Hugo Chavez came out and said Cuba is a dictatorship



She also refused to leave the Communist Party militancy as was asked by coalition members in order to show commitment to centrism. But as you said, Chile is a country where things gravitate towards the center, so she wouldn't had been the next Hugo Chavez.

There would had been risks if the new Constitution had been ratified because that Constitution had a lot of lowered bar of how many votes you need for sweeping changes.

Kast will be constrained by the very Constitution he defended and so would Jara if she had won

 

[Sinister]

Jara wasn't some extremist though. Ok, she's a member of the Communist Party but this party was part of the same coalition that Boric founded and that was just in power.

Jara herself was Labor Minister under Boric and was even a part of the very centrist Bachelet administration. No way she's a radical.

The level of defending the Son of a Nazi in here is pretty astounding.

The right wing in Chile ran on the same sh*t fascists always run on, obstructionism and xenophobia. And just like Argentina Chile will get markedly worse, less free, more authoritarian, more economically absurd, the wealthy will get more wealthy and the working class will have rights stripped away for daring to vote for Boric, and as things decay the Capital class will be sure to propagandized the public that ideologies that are not in power are to blame, and their apologists will applaud it and repeat that propaganda.

I trained one of the best Amateur fighters out of Chile in recent times, Miguel Veliz:



I hope he gets the f*ck out of there before things get deteriorate. This clown they elected is a Pinochet sympathizer.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

And? just because communists see nowadays a better path to power through the democratic process doesn't stops the fact that she still part of a hardcore Communist Party.

Well, maybe Chile's Communist Party isn't that hardcore if its candidate served in the center-left Boric administration and the center-center Bachelet administration.

Surely you know that what people say and what they do can be vastly different. Obama talked a pretty radical (for American standards) game but was a very standard Democrat. Pepe Mujica said the things you'd expect for a former leftist guerrilla to say but governed very moderately center-left. Milei talks an anarcho-capitalist (!) game but is doing standard right wing shit.

Jara's party can be called the Maoist-Leninist Worker's Revolution Party but if was working with moderate governments, then they aren't radical. Don't let the scary names fool you.