Why didn’t o’malley’s knockdown against yan count?

[RonDante]

Because within the next 20 seconds of that round Yan actually knocks Omalley down to his butt.

Let's not forget Omalley got away with 9 separate fouls in that fight and his highlight reel played by the UFC includes him escaping things where he was grabbing the cage and gloves literally 2 seconds before.

I know o malley cheated, and until a few days ago I was adamant it was a robbery, and I was especially happy to see merab dethrone o malley also, but yan pushing o malley over means essentially nothing compared to o malley punching yan and yan going to a knee

He didn’t knock him to his butt, he tripped him

 

[RonDante]

THIS is more of a knockdown than what Sean did to Yan

How does that make any sense? He pushed o malley down, o malley punched yan

 

[maximus__]

I know o malley cheated, and until a few days ago I was adamant it was a robbery, and I was especially happy to see merab dethrone o malley also, but yan pushing o malley over means essentially nothing compared to o malley punching yan and yan going to a knee

He didn’t knock him to his butt, he tripped him

My mistake you are right. Usually the hand down signifies the knockdown but I forgot Omalley managed to hook the arm over and stay up before going down from the grappling.

Stats | UFC

Everytime I watch that fight I get more pissed off. They credited Omalley with 84 sig strikes of the 91 he landed.
They literally credited him with sig strikes for absolutely inconsequential strikes to the leg and guard of Yan whilst he was picked apart on the feet and absolutely dominated everywhere. "Damage" isn't just a cut it's the actual impact of the strikes. You can't justfiabily argue that Sean won 2 rounds in that fight. He had great moments, but that fight was terrible and should be investigated.

 

[markys00]

Manlets are incapable of knockdowns, it must have been a slip.

Manlet confirmed

 

[Guy LeDouche]

How does that make any sense? He pushed o malley down, o malley punched yan

Yan took a knee and Sean landed flat on his ass looking up at Yan.
If the logic that a knockdown is what OMalley did than what Yan did was way more qualified.

 

[RonDante]

Yan took a knee and Sean landed flat on his ass looking up at Yan.
If the logic that a knockdown is what OMalley did than what Yan did was way more qualified.

Yan got punched hard enough he couldn’t stand under his own two feet. O malley was tripped.
You know it’s not even close to a knockdown, I know it’s not even close to a knockdown, why are you pretending ?

 

[Guy LeDouche]

@RonDante
Between these two, which looks more like a knockdown?
Using the logic of the TS, by the metric that the above is a knockdown, the latter is more qualified.
So again what looks more like a knockdown?

 

[jitzmonkey]

I’ve always been under the impression (w/o reading the rules or taking a deep dive) that all knockdowns aren’t viewed equally due to the more “erratic” footwork and level changes compared to boxing; let alone sweeps, trips, etc…

 

[dipstickjimmy]

None of that control was a dominant position, it was against the cage or in full guard. Time spent on top isnt in the scoring criteria

Yan outstruck him by a 2:1 ratio. 45-22
I ask again:
You think O'Malley should get a round awarded for getting outstruck 2:1 and controlled more then 50% of the round?

 

[anuscakes]

One of the harder shots Sean's taken.

 

[RonDante]

Yan outstruck him by a 2:1 ratio. 45-22
I ask again:
You think O'Malley should get a round awarded for getting outstruck 2:1 and controlled more then 50% of the round?

I think he’s eligible to win it yes

 

[RonDante]

@RonDante
Between these two, which looks more like a knockdown?
Using the logic of the TS, by the metric that the above is a knockdown, the latter is more qualified.
So again what looks more like a knockdown?

The top looks more like a knockdown becuase yan was punched and fell down, while o malley was tripped

 

[dipstickjimmy]

I think he’s eligible to win it yes

OK not sure if you are doing an English Second Language thing or just obtuse. Your premise is wrong and irrelevant.

 

[wrb]

My mistake you are right. Usually the hand down signifies the knockdown but I forgot Omalley managed to hook the arm over and stay up before going down from the grappling.

Stats | UFC

Everytime I watch that fight I get more pissed off. They credited Omalley with 84 sig strikes of the 91 he landed.
They literally credited him with sig strikes for absolutely inconsequential strikes to the leg and guard of Yan whilst he was picked apart on the feet and absolutely dominated everywhere. "Damage" isn't just a cut it's the actual impact of the strikes. You can't justfiabily argue that Sean won 2 rounds in that fight. He had great moments, but that fight was terrible and should be investigated.

He fucked Yan up in this fight which is why its weird people act like Yan dominated Sean. Its very hard to for me to give it to Yan after the end of third with the 2nd being close. So its one round that can be argued with round 3 clearly Sean's as damage is supposed to win and I think this fight is stopped if its more than 3: the hardest I have ever seen Yan hit. . The good news is They will probably fight again which will be interesting because of all the robbery claims.

 

[maximus__]

He fucked Yan up in this fight which is why its weird people act like Yan dominated Sean. Its very hard to for me to give it to Yan after the end of third with the 2nd being close. So its one round that can be argued with round 3 clearly Sean's as damage is supposed to win and I think this fight is stopped if its more than 3: the hardest I have ever seen Yan hit. . The good news is They will probably fight again which will be interesting because of all the robbery claims.

The only argument is that the sig strikes are in Omalleys favour in round 1. When you actually watch the fight (first round) and realise they credit Omalley with a 23 sig strikes of 23 strikes landed in the first and Yan with 19 of 28 strikes, you start to assess who was actually landing big strikes in that first round. Omalley had every pawing jab and little leg kick as he was backing up scored as a sig strike. Then you actually look closer at it and realise that Yan actually landed more sig strikes, the better shots AND managed to take Omalley down, control him and land offence from there.

Then you add 3 separate fouls, eye poke, glove grab and fence grab with no deductions. Add to that it was in Abu dhabi when the UFC was still managing the commission and you realise why it was such a major issue at the time.

1 good round (which was actually pretty even in terms of actual sig strikes landed, without the UFC padding stats,shouldn't win a fight especially when the most significant moments of that round that are used as a highlight reel involve blatant fence grabs immediately after being warned.



What this should have been is a good performance by OMalley but a win for Yan. He landed the bigger shots all fight, outwrestled Omalley and Omalley got away with more fouls than Mcgregor did vs Khabib. Herzog was worse than Herb Dean was in this fight.

 

[TITS]

I saw a comment that basically said o malley won the 2nd round of the yan fight, not the 1st, becuase he punched yan and yan dropped to his knees.

I rewatch that round and yes, 30 seconds in O’Malley punches yan and yan drops to his knees, but the stats never scored it a knockdown.

Why?

Because he's a bum.

 

[PurpleStorm]

Gracias El Jefe LM!

 

[Local Plata]

The way they gather statistics is arbitrary at best. They also said Max didn't get dropped by Gaethje, when he clearly did.

"Arbitrary" is what they released a day or two after the fight, showing O'Malley's "significant strikes", lmao.

 

[Local Plata]

I bet on Yan and admit he lost this fight. I thought Yan was going to destroy O'Malley and was shocked to see O'Malley winning several exchanges. Close fight but O'Malley took it.

Did you think that when you watched the fight with your eyes? Or did you think that after reading all the 'stats' they had to come up with after the fact to make it less of a robbery?

 

[TheCryingElite]

The only argument is that the sig strikes are in Omalleys favour in round 1. When you actually watch the fight (first round) and realise they credit Omalley with a 23 sig strikes of 23 strikes landed in the first and Yan with 19 of 28 strikes, you start to assess who was actually landing big strikes in that first round. Omalley had every pawing jab and little leg kick as he was backing up scored as a sig strike. Then you actually look closer at it and realise that Yan actually landed more sig strikes, the better shots AND managed to take Omalley down, control him and land offence from there.

Then you add 3 separate fouls, eye poke, glove grab and fence grab with no deductions. Add to that it was in Abu dhabi when the UFC was still managing the commission and you realise why it was such a major issue at the time.

1 good round (which was actually pretty even in terms of actual sig strikes landed, without the UFC padding stats,shouldn't win a fight especially when the most significant moments of that round that are used as a highlight reel involve blatant fence grabs immediately after being warned.



What this should have been is a good performance by OMalley but a win for Yan. He landed the bigger shots all fight, outwrestled Omalley and Omalley got away with more fouls than Mcgregor did vs Khabib. Herzog was worse than Herb Dean was in this fight.

I think this is the correct take on that fight. That was suppose to be a win for Yan, but a fight for which we realized O’mailey definitely had the skill set to compete at the top. He just needed to work on his defensive grappling and so on and so forth.
If you look at Sean’s body language at the end of that fight, you can tell Sean thought he lost that fight.
Fun fight regardless of the outcome. I would be interested in a 5 round rematch.