International Which State of the USA would get first lickings in the event of an attack?

[BluntForceTrama]

They could if they wanted to devote at least a couple years to redesigning and spinning up new production lines for an ICBM with a conventional warhead that would instantly lead to Russia being demolished because everyone else would think it's a nuclear launch.

Lots of alien space bats in this thread.

Putin puppet says Russia could strike one US state NATO cannot protect

Russia has repeatedly hinted at attacking Alaska in a potential strike to the United States - but their attention has now shifted to another state.

www.express.co.uk

Russian Warships Came Within Just 34 Miles Of Hawaii During Recent Drills

A Russian naval flotilla passing so close to the Hawaiian Islands is an extremely unusual show of force.

www.twz.com

 

[avenue94]

Putin puppet says Russia could strike one US state NATO cannot protect

Russia has repeatedly hinted at attacking Alaska in a potential strike to the United States - but their attention has now shifted to another state.

www.express.co.uk

I'm not trying to be a killjoy, but if you think talking heads in the US are bad, you should see how bad it gets in the Putin mediasphere.

Absolutely fucking bonkers. In this case, I'd be struggling to see how one considers Hawaii not part of North America.

I'll give sherbros in this thread points for out of the box thinking, even if it's not great thinking. I do love a good alt history thread.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Thats right....the 50th state allover again. Pearl Harbor is likely in the sights of every major potential enemy we have right now do you agree?

Literally we are a gas station in the middle of the ocean along with strategic mobilization purposes, the Japanese almost beat us and may have had better results if it actually took Pearl Harbor out on Dec 7, 1941.

I live out here and I think this is a very soft target. Everyone has an irrational fear....mine is waking up one morning to an invasion. I think most of the general population is unaware or unprepared for a 2nd pearl harbor attack but I tend to think its a real possibility. What enemy of ours wouldn't love to take this island and use it for their own staging purposes?


What do the militarists on this site think or tend to know on the subject because Im not able to find much.

Would China Dare Launch a Second Pearl Harbor on America?

On December 7th, 1941—82 years ago today—Imperial Japan caught our nation by surprise and killed 2,479 Americans and sunk 19 warships at Pearl Harbor. The nation was lucky that critical logistics like the fuel depot, or tanker ships vital to keeping the fleet at-sea were not attacked. A modern...

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I would think Alaska, California, or New York - possibly Maryland.

Japan isn't attacking again and more to the point the purpose of Pearl Harbor was to take out the Naval fleet.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Not much out there worth attacking these days, for better or worse. Better options would be homeports for carrier groups.

If it's a surprise attack on the US it would most likely be a war for resources. Last I checked Alaska has lots of them.

 

[avenue94]

If it's a surprise attack on the US it would most likely be a war for resources. Last I checked Alaska has lots of them.

How do you think those resources would get to buyers as long as the US Navy and air force exists?

And why would it be more economical than existing resource reserves?

 

[BluntForceTrama]

I would think Alaska, California, or New York - possibly Maryland.

Japan isn't attacking again and more to the point the purpose of Pearl Harbor was to take out the Naval fleet.

Well that’s exactly my point…. Any country that has issue with us, pre nuclear, will act preemptively and try and take the fleet out again or at very least its main gas station.

Hawaii is more important than any of those states….strategically

 

[BluntForceTrama]

I guess the point of this thread is that I’m more suprised each day I’m here that Hawaii isn’t better defended or hasn’t received an iron dome yet.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

How do you think those resources would get to buyers as long as the US Navy and air force exists?

And why would it be more economical than existing resource reserves?

If a country is able to invade Alaska then they are able to transport said resources.

The only reason that I can imagine someone trying to physically occupy/attack the US is in a distant future with limited resources so no existing resources.

 

[avenue94]

I guess the point of this thread is that I’m more suprised each day I’m here that Hawaii isn’t better defended or hasn’t received an iron dome yet.

Hawaii doesn't exactly have a shortage of ships with Aegis systems. It also strategically doesn't make a huge amount of sense to invest in anti-ballistic missiles if you are expecting to face a peer or near peer. Offense always outweighs defense in that equation.

If a country is able to invade Alaska then they are able to transport said resources.

The only reason that I can imagine someone trying to physically occupy/attack the US is in a distant future with limited resources so no existing resources.

Obviously it would be transported, I mean more how would that happen. Alaska doesn't exactly have many deep water ports with facilities for this, and a pipeline isn't exactly defensible.

TLDR: There's no point in trying to seize natural resources in Alaska if you aren't going to neutralize the military first. I also have no idea why Russia would want take more resources that would lower the price of its own existing resources.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Well that’s exactly my point…. Any country that has issue with us, pre nuclear, will act preemptively and try and take the fleet out again or at very least its main gas station.

Hawaii is more important than any of those states….strategically

Do we need Hawaii? We have bases all over the world. And taking out Hawaii would only slow our Navy - we have nuclear aircraft carriers and subs today.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Obviously it would be transported, I mean more how would that happen. Alaska doesn't exactly have many deep water ports with facilities for this, and a pipeline isn't exactly defensible.

TLDR: There's no point in trying to seize natural resources in Alaska if you aren't going to neutralize the military first. I also have no idea why Russia would want take more resources that would lower the price of its own existing resources.

It's all hypothetical. I'm just thinking what could possibly start a Red Dawn situation.

California, NY, and Maryland were all chosen for surprise attacks by ports - Maryland do to proximity to DC.

 

[avenue94]

It's all hypothetical. I'm just thinking what could possibly start a Red Dawn situation.

California, NY, and Maryland were all chosen for surprise attacks by ports - Maryland do to proximity to DC.

Great movies, even if the reboot was awful. There are ports for suprise attacks, but they'd probably be picked off of military infrastructure (Washington and San Diego are obvious choices). Having said that, it's a bit of a silly idea because if you were China, that means you're either ignoring Okinawa and Tokyo, or you're attacking Japan too...for reasons lol.

 

[pugilistico]

Putin puppet says Russia could strike one US state NATO cannot protect

Russia has repeatedly hinted at attacking Alaska in a potential strike to the United States - but their attention has now shifted to another state.

www.express.co.uk

Russian Warships Came Within Just 34 Miles Of Hawaii During Recent Drills

A Russian naval flotilla passing so close to the Hawaiian Islands is an extremely unusual show of force.

www.twz.com

Just cut a deal and give Russia Hawaii. We don't want people to die in a needless war. It'd be a great deal, the best deal in the history of deals.

 

[ShinkanPo]

It would be diffixult to wage open war againts a USA today compared to December of 1941.

Though America is already a major powered country back then they still are not a super war machine like today.

So the difference is even if China is a more powerfull entity than Imperial Japn, they will againts a full blown super power on day 1 of the attacks.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Just cut a deal and give Russia Hawaii. We don't want people to die in a needless war. It'd be a great deal, the best deal in the history of deals.

Yeah Vitamins and Minerals!

 

[BluntForceTrama]

Hawaii doesn't exactly have a shortage of ships with Aegis systems. It also strategically doesn't make a huge amount of sense to invest in anti-ballistic missiles if you are expecting to face a peer or near peer. Offense always outweighs defense in that equation.

Obviously it would be transported, I mean more how would that happen. Alaska doesn't exactly have many deep water ports with facilities for this, and a pipeline isn't exactly defensible.

TLDR: There's no point in trying to seize natural resources in Alaska if you aren't going to neutralize the military first. I also have no idea why Russia would want take more resources that would lower the price of its own existing resources.

Hirono has always had our backs and has been a proponent for better defense systems for Hawaii

U.S. Sen. Mazie Hirono Concerned About Lack of Missile Defense for Hawaii

Mar. 14—U.S. Sen. Mazie Hirono wants answers from military leaders about missile defense in the islands amid rising tensions in the Pacific, asking senior military brass about...

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"In most of the war games China plays out, it will take out Guam pretty quickly, " said Ellison. "But then it goes back to what if we do something on mainland China ? What's the repercussions ? And that is going to be Hawaii, and that's going to be the western United States and that's going to be Alaska."

‘Hirono told military leaders that she has "serious concerns that there's not one dedicated person in the Department of Defense with the responsibility to ensure that there is a plan for missile defense of Hawaii. ... I express frustration because every time I ask about missile defense for Hawaii, I don't get a response."