Who fought in a tougher era/weight class? Jones, Silva or GSP?

[Big Tuppy Hole]

Jon, and it's not close.

-Bader
-Shogun
-Rampage
-Machida
-Rashad
-Vitor
-Chael
-Gus
-Chael
-Teixeira
-Cormier x2

That is a hell of a resume

 

[kalabula]

Andy fought the Michael Jordan of BJJ. Think about that for a second.

 

[BForrester]

Gsp fought the weakest line up of pedestrian title contenders.

Matt serra was a journyman lw when gsp immortalized him by getting kod in his very first title defense.
Hardy, alves and kos are the very definition of average.
Alves went 6-11 to end his career after the title fight.
Kos went 0-6 4 by ko.
Matt hughes was almost 40 when georges finally beat him.
Bj legit won the first fight and put him in the hospital.
Bj was a bonafide lw when they fought again.
Carlos condot went 2-8 to finish his career after the title fight.
Wont shit on shields of fitch both were great wins.
Nick diaz...idk what to think of that win.
Hendricks beat the piss out of him.

You could say the same things about most of the guys Silva fought, too.

 

[djacobox372]

Jones fought in THREE eras at LHW and went undefeated in all of them.

Shogun/Machida/Rampage was an era
Gus/Tex/Cormier was an era
Reys/Smith/Santos was an era

GSP ruled over two eras, Silva only one.

 

[Vil7]

I know you said specified defenses in the OP but it feels weird to neglect GSP's Middleweight Championship when listing his accomplishments.

 

[icemun]

Since when do Vitor and Sonnen count as 6 people, and if you didn't notice they are typically 185ers.

Youre missing a few there bud

Also Vera, Bader, DC went on to become HW champs.

Shad, your boy shogun, Lyoto, Rampage were LHw champs

Tex is the current UFC LHW champ

 

[xn7]

Youre missing a few there bud

Also Vera, Bader, DC went on to become HW champs.

Shad, your boy shogun, Lyoto, Rampage were LHw champs

Tex is the current UFC LHW champ

so you're saying vitor and sonnen as well as the 8 other fighters you listed were all juiced and jones beat them all while also being juiced? LOL.

 

[icemun]

so you're saying vitor and sonnen as well as the 8 other fighters you listed were all juiced and jones beat them all while also being juiced? LOL.

huh?

 

[RageQuitLord]

The answer will always be the same regardless of which shertard you ask:

My favorite fighter fought in the toughest era & weight class
My most hated fighter fought in the weakest era & weight class

One thing I will say is this, the level of competition for all 3 is greatly exaggerated by their fans.

Who is that actress in your AV bro

 

[Kha'bless]

I think Jones fought in the best division(although it was starting to decline IMHO) but he also fought with the biggest weight advantage, 205lbs being so rich tended to mean a lot of smaller guys who would fight at MW today started out in it then, Rashad and Machida most obviously Jones pretty massively outsized.

Hence why Jones isn't impressive, it was like watching one of those blue Avatar aliens vs a regular human, I expect the midget human to get whooped given the size disparity. Really don't get how most people overlook this and are amazed by a guy with a massive size advantage beating guys who should have fought at MW.

 

[MCS]

1. Jones. All the killers from Pride, so best contenders. Some worn, some not. Then his generations two top contenders, DC and Gus, beat both twice. So the overall goes to JJ.

2. GSP. A lot of variety like strikers Alves and Diaz, plus Nick's BJJ. Condit similar. Shields with the BJJ/wrestling combo. Hughes ATG wrestler twice. Penn 2-div champ HOF dominantly 2nd time. And Kos the best wrestler of that era. Outwrestled him, then outstruck him. Then the Serra rematch mismatch and the no hope Hardy fight.

3. Anderson. MW was weak at the time, lacked both depth and contenders. Like Leites, MW Maia clowning shit fight and no hope Cote. Lutter didn't have much hope, either. Franklin and Okami were about the same level. Then his best wins Hendo and Vitor. And yes, roided out Sonnen, tough style.

 

[pankrat]

2010 GSP p4p #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-28930

2011 GSP p4p #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-31030

GOAT rankings :

GSP #1
https://www.tapology.com/rankings/top-ten-all-time-greatest-mma-and-ufc-fighters

GSP #1
https://mmasucka.com/2020/06/02/goat-of-mma/

GSP #1
https://www.fightmatrix.com/all-time-mma-rankings/all-time-absolute/

GSP #1 tied with Khabib
https://www.givemesport.com/1672105-mcgregor-khabib-jones-stpierre-nunes-ufc-goat-contenders-ranked

GSP #1 tied with Jones
https://www.sportbible.com/ufc/news-ufc-and-mma-fighters-ranked-from-goat-to-not-a-fighter-20201121

Latest GOAT poll conducted among fighters (survey amon 170 mma fighters) : GSP #1
https://theathletic.com/1856943/2020/06/05/fighters-vote-mma-goat-pound-for-pound-best/

Sherdog's all time goat poll : GSP #1
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/all-time-goat-poll.3916359/page-232#post-167971276

Incoming asshole discrediting all these rankings because they don't fit his agenda.

You invested good efforts in that one, uh nerdy kid?
Seriously though, this attempt at nitpicking a few months out of 7 long years to pretend GSP was regarded higher than Silva during their champiosnhip run is beyond pathetic.
If GSP got the #1 for a few months after Silva vs Sonnen I, Silva quickly regained his status styling on Belfort and Okami as GSP never did in a tittle defense. Deal with it

Just go for PEDs and losses late in his career, or that GSP had georgeus blue eyes. Go fo that kind of arguments. This one is a lost battle for you

Official sherdog p4p rankings:

2012 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-45047

2011 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-36383

2010 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-23166

2009 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-17145

2008 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/GSP-Moves-Up-P4P-List-But-Not-to-Top-12459

 

[pankrat]

2. GSP. A lot of variety like strikers Alves and Diaz, plus Nick's BJJ. Condit similar. Shields with the BJJ/wrestling combo. Hughes ATG wrestler twice. Penn 2-div champ HOF dominantly 2nd time. And Kos the best wrestler of that era. Outwrestled him, then outstruck him. Then the Serra rematch mismatch and the no hope Hardy fight.

3. Anderson. MW was weak at the time, lacked both depth and contenders. Like Leites, MW Maia clowning shit fight and no hope Cote. Lutter didn't have much hope, either. Franklin and Okami were about the same level. Then his best wins Hendo and Vitor. And yes, roided out Sonnen, tough style.

Look at the bias post ffs its obscene.

Coté is the only tittle defense you could say was sub-par, and it was an injury replacement.
Leites is not a less worthy contende than Hardy.
Lutter got the shot just like Serra did. Yes, Serra. GSP had to fight him twice.

For the rest, pretending that Okami, Marquardt, Franklin or Maia were weak but Alves or Koscheck were legitimate is nº1 BS. They were absolutely comparable caliber of opponents in their prime.

 

[pankrat]

Hence why Jones isn't impressive, it was like watching one of those blue Avatar aliens vs a regular human, I expect the midget human to get whooped given the size disparity. Really don't get how most people overlook this and are amazed by a guy with a massive size advantage beating guys who should have fought at MW.

Because he was beating top LHWs at the time.

Yeah, many of them would be MW by modern standards, but BJ would not be fighting at WW today and actually fought as low as FW. He is still regarded as one of best GSP wins. Serra would not be a WW today neither.

A handful of Silva opponents would be WW by moderns standards too.

So yeah, Jones fought with the biggest size advantage among the GOATs candidates but the difference wasnt that big in comparison

 

[DagOban**]

WW has always been more stacked than MW/LHW.

 

[ThunderStruck]

You invested good efforts in that one, uh nerdy kid?
Seriously though, this attempt at nitpicking a few months out of 7 long years to pretend GSP was regarded higher than Silva during their champiosnhip run is beyond pathetic.
If GSP got the #1 for a few months after Silva vs Sonnen I, Silva quickly regained his status styling on Belfort and Okami as GSP never did in a tittle defense. Deal with it

Just go for PEDs and losses late in his career, or that GSP had georgeus blue eyes. Go fo that kind of arguments. This one is a lost battle for you

Official sherdog p4p rankings:

2012 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-45047

2011 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-36383

2010 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-23166

2009 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-17145

2008 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/GSP-Moves-Up-P4P-List-But-Not-to-Top-12459

Effort? mma GOAT google search and i didn't even get past the first page. Took about 5 mins tops to shit on your little list.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Look at the bias post ffs its obscene.

Coté is the only tittle defense you could say was sub-par, and it was an injury replacement.
Leites is not a less worthy contende than Hardy.
Lutter got the shot just like Serra did. Yes, Serra. GSP had to fight him twice.

For the rest, pretending that Okami, Marquardt, Franklin or Maia were weak but Alves or Koscheck were legitimate is nº1 BS. They were absolutely comparable caliber of opponents in their prime.

Maia sure as hell wasn't in his prime against Silva and was 1 fight removed from being KTFO. Okami, Marquardt and Maia are WW. Alves claimed multiple times that he was 200 pounds in the cage in his prime and was top 10 p4. Koscheck was a massive WW (190+) as well with better wrestling than anyone Silva ever fought.

Just because that WW's from GSP's era didn't have a long career doesn't mean they weren't good, it means they were fighting in a shark tank. Unlike Silva where you had geriatric like Hendo top 10 well into his 40s. Imagine a 40 years old top 10 in GSP's era.

 

[pankrat]

Maia sure as hell wasn't in his prime against Silva and was 1 fight removed from being KTFO. Okami, Marquardt and Maia are WW. Alves claimed multiple times that he was 200 pounds in the cage in his prime and was top 10 p4. Koscheck was a massive WW (190+) as well with better wrestling than anyone Silva ever fought.

Just because that WW's from GSP's era didn't have a long career doesn't mean they weren't good, it means they were fighting in a shark tank. Unlike Silva where you had geriatric like Hendo top 10 well into his 40s. Imagine a 40 years old top 10 in GSP's era.

Just a ridicilous display of biased fanboyism. Its actually pathetic

Marquard, Maia and Okami are absolutely legitimate contenders.
They are WWs just as much as BJ is a FW; or Serra, Alves and Diaz are LWs given that all of them fought at LW.
Please stop being so massively ridiculous.

The same Maia who fought Silva would have completely dominated the perennial #2 of the alleged shak tank just a weightclass below. Period. And actually did few years down the road.

This narrative that Maia was weak contender but Fitch was a strong one is stupid to crazy levels. The fact you and a couple of other fangirls parrot that shit non stop in a forum reveals how healthyy you are in the head lol

 

[pankrat]

Effort? mma GOAT google search and i didn't even get past the first page. Took about 5 mins tops to shit on your little list.

Sure bebé

 

[MCS]

Look at the bias post ffs its obscene.

Coté is the only tittle defense you could say was sub-par, and it was an injury replacement.
Leites is not a less worthy contende than Hardy.
Lutter got the shot just like Serra did. Yes, Serra. GSP had to fight him twice.

For the rest, pretending that Okami, Marquardt, Franklin or Maia were weak but Alves or Koscheck were legitimate is nº1 BS. They were absolutely comparable caliber of opponents in their prime.

Or, you stop responding to me. As you're incapable of a normal conversation.