Who fought in a tougher era/weight class? Jones, Silva or GSP?

[pankrat]

1. Maia beat a far past his prime Fitch and it was a perfect matchup for him.
2. WW is Maia's natural weight class.
3. Maia was severely undersized at MW and as a very green mma fighter he still earned a title shot there, by beating the perrenial number 2 MW there.
3. Marquardt became strikeforce WW champion. A division so deep he got an insta title shot in.
Only a dumbass would try to use Marquardt failed 1-3 WW run as proof that MW was more competitive.

It wasn't "a far past prime" Fitch, can u not be such a julio?
Maia is a huge WW. BJ is a FW by that same stupid logic you pretend in a desperate attempt

All the aforementioned failed MWs turned top contender WWs show that the level at the top was at least on par between those divisions one next to each other. They all got paid about the same, they were all fighters around same size trying to make it to a tittle shot. Top WWs didnt make huge weight cuts to avoid the MW contenders for nothing,

Your narrative is sick fanboy delusion. Not for nothing this was the general consensus during GSP/Silva championship reigns:

Official sherdog p4p rankings:

2012 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-45047

2011 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-36383

2010 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-23166

2009 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-17145

2008 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/GSP-Moves-Up-P4P-List-But-Not-to-Top-12459

 

[xn7]

I really dislike Jones but I can’t deny he’s probably the best ever. He was dominant for so damn long and against such tough guys.

I would say yes he was dominant for a good while and has the best resume but he was obviously juicy and busted for it.

 

[Tweak896]

Silva's division and who he defended against are so underrated:
Franklin: probably would've been a dominant champ without Silva
Marquardt: Severely underrated, after he beat Kampmann, Maia, Woodley, Palhares
Hendo: Just won both pride belts and basically unified them in UFC and beat Fedor after this fight
Maia: Still regarded highly, dropped to WW after this loss.
Sonnen: Great wrestler and arguably WEC champ
Okami: Super well rounded and good wrestler
Belfort: Legend, between 2007-2013 only lost to Jones and Silva, TRT was allowed

I think Jones has better names but the guys Silva defended the title against great competition in their prime.

 

[ThunderStruck]

It wasn't "a far past prime" Fitch, can u not be such a julio?
Maia is a huge WW. BJ is a FW by that same stupid logic you pretend in a desperate attempt

All the aforementioned failed MWs turned top contender WWs show that the level at the top was at least on par between those divisions one next to each other. They all got paid about the same, they were all fighters around same size trying to make it to a tittle shot. Top WWs didnt make huge weight cuts to avoid the MW contenders for nothing,

Your narrative is sick fanboy delusion. Not for nothing this was the general consensus during GSP/Silva championship reigns:

Official sherdog p4p rankings:

2012 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-45047

2011 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-36383

2010 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-23166

2009 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-17145

2008 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/GSP-Moves-Up-P4P-List-But-Not-to-Top-12459

The aforementionned "failed MW" were the size of the average WW to begin with, and they had just as much success at MW than WW, if not more.

Saying they were "failed MW" makes you a scum and should be banned for fighter bashing.

Official sherdog p4p rankings :

2010 GSP p4p #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-28930

2011 GSP p4p #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-31030

 

[White lightning 2]

This is true.

Sakurai was lightweight lol. I know he beat him a welterweight but How many fighters get a ts after their second fight.

 

[White lightning 2]

Nope.

Kampmann or Swick failed to make it to a tittle eliminator at MW, dropped to WW and right away made it to a tittle eliminator.

Maia is not even a top5 win at MW for Silva. He was allegedly one mediocre contender in a weak division, according to this pathetic fangirls of your kind.
The reality? Maia dropped and right away absolutely dominated in his own game the long time #2 of the alleged "shark tank" division, Fitch



Etc, etc....

Marquard became WW champion right away, KOing the all-time great WW Woodley. Even though Marquardt was already on his way out after a decade plus in the elite..
....And this is the best example you brought. Holly shit if you are desperate

The revisionism of GSP fangirls in these boards is a sick phenomenon, seriously

Wow you are an idiot. Fuck you can't just post your opinion without calling everyone a fangirl. Oh and it was a sharktank of a division.

 

[Bagatur]

GSP without a question. he fought in an era where merit mattered a lot more than today. he mostly fought true contenders, not this popularity contest winners.

 

[pankrat]

Wow you are an idiot. Fuck you can't just post your opinion without calling everyone a fangirl. Oh and it was a sharktank of a division.

I was replying to a certified black belt fangirl. If you didn't know white belt, now you know.

It was a shark tank, cool. MW was not much less of a shark tank, which is the point

This narrative that one division was a shark tank but just 15lbs higher the contenders were trash or meh or whatever is a fanboy stupid narrative, period. It was proven time and time again that the level at the top of the divisions were very on par

 

[Kryptt]

Bones - Eras matter...

 

[Paolo Delutis]

# of title defenses:
Jones - 13
Silva - 10
GSP - 9

Who fought in a tougher era/weight class?

R these guys from different eras??



I see all three in their primes ...right beside each other...

 

[Bouboumaster]

p4p rankings during GSP/Silva championship years:


2012 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-45047

2011 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-36383

2010 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-23166

2009 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-17145

2008 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news

It wasn't "a far past prime" Fitch, can u not be such a julio?
Maia is a huge WW. BJ is a FW by that same stupid logic you pretend in a desperate attempt

All the aforementioned failed MWs turned top contender WWs show that the level at the top was at least on par between those divisions one next to each other. They all got paid about the same, they were all fighters around same size trying to make it to a tittle shot. Top WWs didnt make huge weight cuts to avoid the MW contenders for nothing,

Your narrative is sick fanboy delusion. Not for nothing this was the general consensus during GSP/Silva championship reigns:

Official sherdog p4p rankings:

2012 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-45047

2011 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-36383

2010 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-23166

2009 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-17145

2008 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/GSP-Moves-Up-P4P-List-But-Not-to-Top-12459

I'm sorry but Nate The Great, Pat Côté, Leites and 185lbs version Maia are terrible contenders.

Franklin was great but Hughes > Franklin IMO and Jake Shields is better than anything Silva ever did in his life.
Serra is a bad defeats but do you even wish to go there, because Silva has absolutly terrible defeats in Japan.

GSP's resume shits all over Silva's, and that's before taking into account that Silva's a cheater.
Cheating aside (and we should never overlook it), only Jones can stack up against the GOAT

 

[pankrat]

I'm sorry but Nate The Great, Pat Côté, Leites and 185lbs version Maia are terrible contenders.

You don't need to be sorry

Maia "the terrible contender" already showed us about it when completely dominated the long time #2 of the alledeged "shark tank" division Fitch, in his own game.

Nate the Great KTFO Kampann and Maia in UFC, and Woodley for the SF WW belt...and every single one of them got to a tittle eliminator / championship at WW in UFC and remained top WWs for years
Nate beat many others too including Misaki and Palhares who also found succes at WW.

It's silly and stupid; its the ridiculous narrative of a bunch of fanboys in sherdog. You dont need to be sorry though.

 

[pankrat]

The aforementionned "failed MW" were the size of the average WW to begin with, and they had just as much success at MW than WW, if not more.

Saying they were "failed MW" makes you a scum and should be banned for fighter bashing.

They failed in that they literally went to WW after a loss at MW. They saw an easy path to make a run to a tittle shot at WW than they saw at MW. This is not an opinion.

They were bigger for a MW than BJ or Serra were for a WW.
We see fighters moving between WW-MW all the time; its not like Kampman, Maia or Swick could ever make 155 like BJ makes 145. No chance.

Swick and Kampman fought in a tittle eliminator at WW yet they tried and failed to do so at MW.
Maia got to fight for the belt in both but he was more dominant at WW and as matter of fact he never lost to a gatekeeper at WW as he did at MW (Muñoz) until his last fight at 43 or so.

Official sherdog p4p rankings :

2010 GSP p4p #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-28930

2011 GSP p4p #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-31030

So a couple moths in 7 years that lasted GSP/Silva championship reigns?
lol why even embarras yourself with such reply?


This narrative about a terrible MW division and a shark tank WW is sick fanboy delusion, period.
The general consensus during GSP/Silva championship reigns was as follows:

Official sherdog p4p rankings:

2012 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-45047

2011 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-36383

2010 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-23166

2009 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-17145

2008 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/GSP-Moves-Up-P4P-List-But-Not-to-Top-12459

 

[White lightning 2]

I was replying to a certified black belt fangirl. If you didn't know white belt, now you know.

It was a shark tank, cool. MW was not much less of a shark tank, which is the point

This narrative that one division was a shark tank but just 15lbs higher the contenders were trash or meh or whatever is a fanboy stupid narrative, period. It was proven time and time again that the level at the top of the divisions were very on par

No GSP make them look just on par.

 

[pankrat]

Okami was a MW, Shields a bloated WW and still won. It says more about Okami than Shields lol

bloated WW? So you didnt even watched the fight, typical fanboy just parroting biased narratives in sherdog.

Well get ir right
- It was a WW bout. Shields actually weighted in heavier than Okami.
- The American public in attendance boed the majority decision. Its a highly controversial dec in the scorecards. Okami did the most damage by far. The referee had to stop to check Shields cuts.

What it shows, just like the cases of Kampman, Maia, Marquardt, Swick and so many others is that this narrative about the skill gap between 170-185 was massive is ridiculous. It was not. Odds at that time, if we matched them up, would show it was not.
We see fighters moving WW-MW all the time, they were all prize fighters looking for the easier path to get to a tittle shot. I think u live in a fanboy parallel universe

 

[SuperFightFreaks]

Anderson no question had the weakest available competition.

Jones had a bunch of guys from the previous generation who were on their exit as he was making his arrival. However, he did have Cormier as an adversary and was able to best him. He also tested himself and beat the next generation of contenders as well.

GSP cleaned out an entire division and had some VERY worthy adversaries, though none really carried the significance that Cormier did.

I think GSP had the most consistently challenging fights, but Jones had the most evenly matched adversaries in Gustaffson and Cormier.

 

[pankrat]

No GSP make them look just on par.

I dont even know what you say here.
The main reason for this:

Official sherdog p4p rankings:

2012 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-45047

2011 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-36383

2010 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-23166

2009 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-17145

2008 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/GSP-Moves-Up-P4P-List-But-Not-to-Top-12459

Is that Silva was making his tittle challengers look not just subpar, but absolutely amateurish. And what its more important: finishing them.

Fanboys in sherdog had tried to make up for it by creating this narrative of MW terrible/mediocre contenders vs a shark tank WW which is simply a dishonest, biased revisionism.
They were fairly on par at the top. As expected from prize fighters who get paid the same on one or another. It was more than proven by MW-WW contenders at the time, with or without GSP.

 

[icemun]

I would say yes he was dominant for a good while and has the best resume but he was obviously juicy and busted for it.

So were six of his opponents.
Context matters

 

[ThunderStruck]

They failed in that they literally went to WW after a loss at MW. They saw an easy path to make a run to a tittle shot at WW than they saw at MW. This is not an opinion.

They were bigger for a MW than BJ or Serra were for a WW.
We see fighters moving between WW-MW all the time; its not like Kampman, Maia or Swick could ever make 155 like BJ makes 145. No chance.

Swick and Kampman fought in a tittle eliminator at WW yet they tried and failed to do so at MW.
Maia got to fight for the belt in both but he was more dominant at WW and as matter of fact he never lost to a gatekeeper at WW as he did at MW (Muñoz) until his last fight at 43 or so.




So a couple moths in 7 years that lasted GSP/Silva championship reigns?
lol why even embarras yourself with such reply?


This narrative about a terrible MW division and a shark tank WW is sick fanboy delusion, period.
The general consensus during GSP/Silva championship reigns was as follows:

Official sherdog p4p rankings:

2012 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-45047

2011 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-36383

2010 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-23166

2009 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-17145

2008 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/GSP-Moves-Up-P4P-List-But-Not-to-Top-12459

2010 GSP p4p #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-28930

2011 GSP p4p #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-31030

GOAT rankings :

GSP #1
https://www.tapology.com/rankings/top-ten-all-time-greatest-mma-and-ufc-fighters

GSP #1
https://mmasucka.com/2020/06/02/goat-of-mma/

GSP #1
https://www.fightmatrix.com/all-time-mma-rankings/all-time-absolute/

GSP #1 tied with Khabib
https://www.givemesport.com/1672105-mcgregor-khabib-jones-stpierre-nunes-ufc-goat-contenders-ranked

GSP #1 tied with Jones
https://www.sportbible.com/ufc/news-ufc-and-mma-fighters-ranked-from-goat-to-not-a-fighter-20201121

Latest GOAT poll conducted among fighters (survey amon 170 mma fighters) : GSP #1
https://theathletic.com/1856943/2020/06/05/fighters-vote-mma-goat-pound-for-pound-best/

Sherdog's all time goat poll : GSP #1
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/all-time-goat-poll.3916359/page-232#post-167971276

Incoming asshole discrediting all these rankings because they don't fit his agenda.

 

[xn7]

So were six of his opponents.
Context matters

Since when do Vitor and Sonnen count as 6 people, and if you didn't notice they are typically 185ers.