Who fought in a tougher era/weight class? Jones, Silva or GSP?

[Richard Fannin]

Silva's division and who he defended against are so underrated:
[...]
Hendo: Just won both pride belts and basically unified them in UFC and beat Fedor after this fight

If by "basically unified them" you mean "lost both his titles to Rampage and Anderson", then yeah, I suppose... <{chips}>

Or do you mean that the Rampage decision was close?
(it was)
And that Hendo won the first round against Silva?
(he did IIRC)
I'm not trying to argue, just to guess the logic behind this statement.

I call BJ a FW because u discredit MW contenders for being able to make WW. Not for anything else.

We should indeed probably stop pushing these "GSP fought bloated LWs" & "Anderson fought bloated WWs" narratives, since they cancel one another.

Like back "in the days" when the Jon Jones and Anderson Silva fanboys were warring on the 'Dawg, and in 2015 the JJ faction was delighted at Silva pissing hot, made fun of his fans for a year or so, before Jones also tested positive and the finger pointing turned into &

(at this point, infighting about steroids would have only reinforced the Fedor & GSP factions)


IMHO, Anderson and GSP's careers are similar enough that it's pretty much impossible to name one of the 2 and then go "and it's not even close"

Older fans remember the times before Silva-Weidman 1, when Dana would constantly push for Silva being the UFC n°1 over GSP.

(anytime Silva did something Dana didn't like, he would "punish" him by stating that GSP is actually the n°1, like after the Leites & Maia in particular fights, when he stated that AS doesn't even deserve to fight Georges, and that AS swore that he could make 170 easy and now he's backtracking, blablabla; then he would sober up and go back to shilling for Anderson and bitching about GSP always being injured...)

Newer fans tend to favor GSP over Silva, because Anderson does have a lot of losses at the end of his career, while St-Pierre retired on top.
(I suppose AS testing positive doesn't help his case when newcomers just look at a list of each fighter's achievements; most "hardcorz" realize that it doesn't really mean all that much)


They both have their asterisks (GSP losing to Serra, AS to Takase/Chonan) and their strengths, and their only common opponents are Nick Diaz and Michael Bisping.
It would be easier to pick which one is better if they fought more common opponents, but we have to make-do...

It's hard, it's so hard
It's a tough task being a GSP fanboy, as soon as we vanquished the BJ Penn hordes, we had to deal with the Anderson army, then with the Khabib n00bz, it's like a full time job.
Especially with Dana White being such a Penn/Anderson fanboy, it felt weird having him on our side in the later years of the Khabib rivalry.

At least Jon Jones doesn't have a fanbase, that makes it a bit easier.

...

TL;DR: GSP AND IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE

 

[pankrat]

We should indeed probably stop pushing these "GSP fought bloated LWs" & "Anderson fought bloated WWs" narratives, since they cancel one another.

Like back "in the days" when the Jon Jones and Anderson Silva fanboys were warring on the 'Dawg, and in 2015 the JJ faction was delighted at Silva pissing hot, made fun of his fans for a year or so, before Jones also tested positive and the finger pointing turned into &

(at this point, infighting about steroids would have only reinforced the Fedor & GSP factions)


IMHO, Anderson and GSP's careers are similar enough that it's pretty much impossible to name one of the 2 and then go "and it's not even close"

Older fans remember the times before Silva-Weidman 1, when Dana would constantly push for Silva being the UFC n°1 over GSP.

(anytime Silva did something Dana didn't like, he would "punish" him by stating that GSP is actually the n°1, like after the Leites & Maia in particular fights, when he stated that AS doesn't even deserve to fight Georges, and that AS swore that he could make 170 easy and now he's backtracking, blablabla; then he would sober up and go back to shilling for Anderson and bitching about GSP always being injured...)

Newer fans tend to favor GSP over Silva, because Anderson does have a lot of losses at the end of his career, while St-Pierre retired on top.
(I suppose AS testing positive doesn't help his case when newcomers just look at a list of each fighter's achievements; most "hardcorz" realize that it doesn't really mean all that much)


They both have their asterisks (GSP losing to Serra, AS to Takase/Chonan) and their strengths, and their only common opponents are Nick Diaz and Michael Bisping.
It would be easier to pick which one is better if they fought more common opponents, but we have to make-do...

It's hard, it's so hard
It's a tough task being a GSP fanboy, as soon as we vanquished the BJ Penn hordes, we had to deal with the Anderson army, then with the Khabib n00bz, it's like a full time job.
Especially with Dana White being such a Penn/Anderson fanboy, it felt weird having him on our side in the later years of the Khabib rivalry.

At least Jon Jones doesn't have a fanbase, that makes it a bit easier.

...

TL;DR: GSP AND IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE

I often disagree with Dana but I dont see anything wrong on him calling out the champ for dull decisions in which avoid any risk.
Greatness come from quality of performances, has always been like that in combat sports, rather than guess/nitpick which names standout the most on a record when talking about two guys who have broken all records.

What gave Silva wide credit as p4p best during his years as a champ was his will to take risks - epic chin and confidence on it - and his uncanny ability to pull off finishing techniques at range, clinch or ground
He didnt show that in Maia or Leites fights, and GSP certainly did not show it as much, and this is not about being a fanboy or not, just not be in denial.

Since those times, Silva got in a long losing streak in his 40s after a career-ending injury, popped for PEDs, and GSP made an epi combarck to grab the MW belt finishing a very tough Bisping

GSP as a legit case for GOAT - it's certainly close - with no need of downplaying Silva's epic performances by discrediting his competition. It's lame, and false.

 

[MartinGibson86]

No he doesn’t.

Yes he does

 

[Tweak896]

If by "basically unified them" you mean "lost both his titles to Rampage and Anderson", then yeah, I suppose... <{chips}>

Or do you mean that the Rampage decision was close?
(it was)
And that Hendo won the first round against Silva?
(he did IIRC)
I'm not trying to argue, just to guess the logic behind this statement.



We should indeed probably stop pushing these "GSP fought bloated LWs" & "Anderson fought bloated WWs" narratives, since they cancel one another.

Like back "in the days" when the Jon Jones and Anderson Silva fanboys were warring on the 'Dawg, and in 2015 the JJ faction was delighted at Silva pissing hot, made fun of his fans for a year or so, before Jones also tested positive and the finger pointing turned into &

(at this point, infighting about steroids would have only reinforced the Fedor & GSP factions)


IMHO, Anderson and GSP's careers are similar enough that it's pretty much impossible to name one of the 2 and then go "and it's not even close"

Older fans remember the times before Silva-Weidman 1, when Dana would constantly push for Silva being the UFC n°1 over GSP.

(anytime Silva did something Dana didn't like, he would "punish" him by stating that GSP is actually the n°1, like after the Leites & Maia in particular fights, when he stated that AS doesn't even deserve to fight Georges, and that AS swore that he could make 170 easy and now he's backtracking, blablabla; then he would sober up and go back to shilling for Anderson and bitching about GSP always being injured...)

Newer fans tend to favor GSP over Silva, because Anderson does have a lot of losses at the end of his career, while St-Pierre retired on top.
(I suppose AS testing positive doesn't help his case when newcomers just look at a list of each fighter's achievements; most "hardcorz" realize that it doesn't really mean all that much)


They both have their asterisks (GSP losing to Serra, AS to Takase/Chonan) and their strengths, and their only common opponents are Nick Diaz and Michael Bisping.
It would be easier to pick which one is better if they fought more common opponents, but we have to make-do...

It's hard, it's so hard
It's a tough task being a GSP fanboy, as soon as we vanquished the BJ Penn hordes, we had to deal with the Anderson army, then with the Khabib n00bz, it's like a full time job.
Especially with Dana White being such a Penn/Anderson fanboy, it felt weird having him on our side in the later years of the Khabib rivalry.

At least Jon Jones doesn't have a fanbase, that makes it a bit easier.

...

TL;DR: GSP AND IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE

I just mean that Hendo went from winning the titles in Pride to Unifying them in the UFC, so he was in his prime as much as he could be. Sure he lost a decision to Rampage right before, but he also won the belts before that fight and beat Fedor afterwards, so it was as in the prime as Hendo could be, just a good win for Anderson.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

Gsp fought the weakest line up of pedestrian title contenders.

Matt serra was a journyman lw when gsp immortalized him by getting kod in his very first title defense.
Hardy, alves and kos are the very definition of average.
Alves went 6-11 to end his career after the title fight.
Kos went 0-6 4 by ko.
Matt hughes was almost 40 when georges finally beat him.
Bj legit won the first fight and put him in the hospital.
Bj was a bonafide lw when they fought again.
Carlos condot went 2-8 to finish his career after the title fight.
Wont shit on shields of fitch both were great wins.
Nick diaz...idk what to think of that win.
Hendricks beat the piss out of him.

Fucking lol username checks out. Stay salty. haha

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Jones easily.. But the roids will always taint him to an extent. But his resume is the GOAT resume on paper..

 

[White lightning 2]

Im looking at it differently. The title contenders ascension into conention was built on rubbish and mediocre opponents. The title contenders aside from jake and fitch were smoke. They werent real elites that belonged there. They werent even former champs who may have been a bit past prime like jones has on his resume and georges didnt punish and make foolish of average guys like anderson did.

Alves was a joke? He was running through everyone. As well Condit? So I guess guys like Cote and Lutter were real elites? Hahaa

 

[pankrat]

Nerd fanboy. You sound like a fucking child. That’s because you are one. I’ve already forgot more about this sport than you ever knew.

When a guy is posting in a mma forum, just to hate on an all-time great while showing absolutely no clue and acting tough in top of that. A nerd fanboy, of course it is.

GSP, not close. Silva fought mostly cans and jones took over LHW when most of the star power was over the hill and on their way out.

There is no parallel universe where GSP tittle challengers were legit while Silva's were "mostly cans".
Anyboy parroting that shit in an mma forum is a textbook nerd fanboy, period.

 

[bjpenngoat]

Alves was a joke? He was running through everyone. As well Condit? So I guess guys like Cote and Lutter were real elites? Hahaa

Alves beat the husk of 40 year old matt hughes, awful one dimensional kos spamming overhand right and drugged up karo.

 

[White lightning 2]

Don't make it out like all Silva's wins were against all killers. Lutter, Welterweight Maia and Cote. Come on. They all faced the toughest competition at the time.

 

[pankrat]

Don't make it out like all Silva's wins were against all killers. Lutter, Welterweight Maia and Cote. Come on. They all faced the toughest competition at the time.

Maia is a huge WW.
If Maia was all the way through WW, then BJ was a FW all the way through by the very same logic.

So the contender in the alleged weak MW division, Maia, go and completely dominates the perennial #2 of the alleged shark tank of a division, Fitch, 30-27 in his own game.

Yet you still pretend to use that win to discredit Silva. lol no limits for these fanboys

 

[Streeter]

Bones has a better resume than the other 2. Hell Bones resume alone would rival Anderson n GSP greatest hits together.

 

[pankrat]

Hell Bones resume alone would rival Anderson n GSP greatest hits together.

wtf

 

[Streeter]

Jon, and it's not close.

-Bader
-Shogun
-Rampage
-Machida
-Rashad
-Vitor
-Chael
-Gus
-Chael
-Teixeira
-Cormier x2

Bones IMO has the GOAT resume it even beats Fedors IMO. Reem likely has the all time goat resume but Bones has the best resume of a long time champion.

 

[Streeter]

wtf

Jones resume by itself is probably better than Anderson and GSP's together

 

[pankrat]

Jones resume by itself is probably better than Anderson and GSP's together

Excuse me but this is absurd. GSP and Silva toguether have more than 20 tittle fights won in UFC.

The Henderson, who went to close dec with champion Rampage, is a bigger win for Silva than Rampage was for Jones. Certainly not worse, considering Jones is 20lbs bigger than Anderson.
And so on. Sesiously, its a pretty silly statement

 

[MartinGibson86]

Alves beat the husk of 40 year old matt hughes, awful one dimensional kos spamming overhand right and drugged up karo.

Karo fight was kind of a quick stoppage too.

Kos was a late replacement for Diego.


Alves is possibly the most overrated fighter ever.

 

[pankrat]

Karo fight was kind of a quick stoppage too.

Kos was a late replacement for Diego.


Alves is possibly the most overrated fighter ever.

Overrated by GSP fanboys on here obviously, but not even close the most overrated fighter ever.

You can downplay all his wins in his way to the tittle shot but they were all definitve wins, no BS decisions.

Discrediting the Karo loss is cheap af. Since the initial TD which he recovered his feet soon, he was basically outclassing Karo and the stoppage was justified. Only man to KO Lyttle too.
He was battering Martin Kampmann as well and Story managed to hold him against the fence, not like he was embarrassed in those losses.

He is generally regarded as one of weakest defenses for GSP anyways, so not even close to the most overrated fighter ever. That would likely will be some American fighter.

 

[White lightning 2]

Maia is a huge WW.
If Maia was all the way through WW, then BJ was a FW all the way through by the very same logic.

So the contender in the alleged weak MW division, Maia, go and completely dominates the perennial #2 of the alleged shark tank of a division, Fitch, 30-27 in his own game.

Yet you still pretend to use that win to discredit Silva. lol no limits for these fanboys

No limits for these fanboys lol. And GSP moves up and beats Bisping the perennial #1 who beat Silva. Great logic

 

[ThunderStruck]

Karo fight was kind of a quick stoppage too.

Kos was a late replacement for Diego.


Alves is possibly the most overrated fighter ever.

You mean most underrated right? You can't possibly mean underrated... According to you guys hes a FW.