Who do you rate higher: Marciano or Tyson?

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  1. Marciano

    44.2%
  2. Tyson

    55.8%
  1. StewDogg11

    StewDogg11 Brown Belt

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    Well yeah but then he admitted that he went through with it.
     
  2. revoltub

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    Mike never raped anyone. Imo
     
  3. borntoloseNOT

    borntoloseNOT Brown Belt

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    Well, that is fucked up. Rest assured, if incorporated in some kind of tattoo, hed be a part of something bigger, not a tattoo centered around him in some action pose, I got a weird eye for art, I make things work and I respect the fighter first and foremost, even if these men's lives intrigue me and I find myself looking into their stories to better understand the fighter. Gerald McClellan is anither fighter I'm very attached to career wise, but who I have a hard time accepting on a personal level.
     
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    StewDogg11 Brown Belt

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    Yeah McClellan was a real odd duck as well. He used to watch videos of dogfights in the dressing room before his fights to get him pumped up.

    EDIT: I think it might’ve actually been Oliver McCall.
     
  5. borntoloseNOT

    borntoloseNOT Brown Belt

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    McCall was a sick man, so doesn't surprise me. Being the man who withstood Tyson in sparring always have me the impression he was a fucked up man and had brain damage for sure. Like enjoying being in car accidents without a seatbelt over and over.
     
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  6. PUO3

    PUO3 You are a can. Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Did I say he was scared of anyone or did I post a quote from the man saying what he thought of Tyson?

    Love all you experts who know better than the fighters themselves.
     
  7. BluntTrauma21

    BluntTrauma21 Broner Brody / Pulev Posse

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    Tyson didn't rape that chick fwiw. That chick's profession was accusing dudes of rape.
     
  8. YourBoss

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    H2H? Tyson P4P? Marciano Legacy? Marciano Prime vs Prime? Tyson
     
  9. defjaam

    defjaam Beltless

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    Why legacy Marciano?
    Thats probably the one thing I disagree with the most. Mike Tyson sent shockwaves globally and became a cult figure, got constantly mentioned in pop culture, in songs and in movies.
    He inspired plenty of boxers that came after him, like Lamon Brewster...and even great ones during his time, like Holyfield and Lennox Lewis, felt they needed to beat Tyson to get their full credit.

    Personally I'd say that Tyson is ahead in every area, including resume, but legacy isn't even close. Sportsmanship may be an area where he's not ahead.

    I find it interesting that fans are realistic about Jack Johnson, as seen in the other thread...but as it gets closer to later era's, fans tend to romanticize about certain boxers (Liston, Ali and apparently Marciano as well).
     
  10. YourBoss

    YourBoss Yellow Belt

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    He was 49-0. He couldnt have done any better. Tysons has lost all of his big fights even tho he was out of his prime by the time he lost them.
     
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    defjaam Beltless

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    Which opponent/victory of his first 42 opponents/victories are you impressed by the most?
     
  12. SandisLL

    SandisLL Green Belt

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    There we should look what their years of carrier we are looking.
     
  13. djacobox372

    djacobox372 Gold Belt

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    Tyson, he had more title defenses, fought better competition, and was far more dominate in his wins.

    You don't get extra points for retiring early IMO. The main reason Rocky retired with that record is that he didn't fight for the title until his 43rd fight.
     
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    ssx Brown Belt

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    Head to head, we a
    Head to head when talking ATG's, we are talking the best version of the respective fighters. The Tyson that mauled Spinks, Holmes and Berbick, not the one who should not have been fighting that quit against McBride.
    Peak Tyson fights Marciano's 49 fight resume and he's 49-0 with 49 KO's.
    Peak Marciano fights Tyson's 56 fight resume and he's probably 48-8 or something like that.
     
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    SandisLL Green Belt

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    In these days media wasn't that developed and of course Dempsey, in less extent Marciano were seriously noticed by higher level media managment only after relativlely high bouts records achieved.
    Mike had…..developed media era, Don, that was beautiful promoter.
    Only hard curse :(Don had, that he undervalued his boxer's opponents….
    Don isn't Dana. Sorry.

    Actually Mike likes me a lot, but he won out of prime Holmes.
    This of course doesn't reduce fact, that he and Ali in their real prime were the fastest HW boxers universe ever had, enough mobile even for modern days CW top 1-5. Undervalued Morrison was not that fast than they in his short prime, but still, even he in his prime was enough mobile for modern days CW top 1-5.
     
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    SandisLL Green Belt

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    Rock wasn't fast, medium level speed, but he was tough and hard hitting gentleman. Due to reach and not rarerly also weight disatvantage, he was forced to be highly technical. He didn't had that impressive prime years speed that had prime Mike or Ali, Morrison, also didn't had Ali and some others champs reach.

    So from pshyical parameters Dempsey, Rocky had far more difficulties to get into HW top than other guys.
    Mike at least had brilliant speed and mobility, beautiful coaches ( young Dempsey didn't had Cus & Co team ) and he was in developed media era too.
     
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  17. PUO3

    PUO3 You are a can. Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Rocky was highly technical?
     
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    SandisLL Green Belt

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    Appears that enough for his era.:)
    Fans usually love to evaluate easily visible stuff ( more long movements etc like stuff ).
    If he wasn't enough skilled, they managed use their reach advantage against him properly.
    Ofc, some kind for example prime Klistshko or Ali = different animals and he eated a lot before get closer.
     
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    PUO3 You are a can. Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    He was tough as nails and hit like a truck. Technical is one of the last ways Id describe Rocky.
     
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    StewDogg11 Brown Belt

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    So when we’re talking about the totality of a fighter’s career we leave out the fights that occurred if the fighter was past his prime and act like they didn’t happen or affect their legacy in any way? Do we leave out Foreman’s win over Moorer also because he was 46? Bottom line it’s Tyson’s fault he was a train wreck of a human who could only sustain a three year prime and yes that should affect his legacy. Pernell Whitaker was a drug addict too but had a much more sustained level of success than Tyson. James Toney led a lifestyle not dissimilar to Tyson and was still winning world titles when Tyson was getting knocked out by Danny Williams.

    Does anyone really claim Justin Upton is an equal or better ballplayer than Babe Ruth? I mean he’d surely dominate just as much if not more as Ruth if you sent him back in a time machine to Ruth’s era.
     
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