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Ew....its Larry Holmes, top 5 HW AT
Ew....its Larry Holmes, top 5 HW AT
Ali/Louis aside, Prime Larry beats them all.Ew....
Weird because he wasn't far removed from his prime when Tyson took his soul, I would say Holmes is highly underappreciated but that Tyson fight showed an apparent difference in class and is an undervalued win for Mike.Ali/Louis aside, Prime Larry beats them all.
Rock wasn't fast, medium level speed, but he was tough and hard hitting gentleman. Due to reach and not rarerly also weight disatvantage, he was forced to be highly technical. He didn't had that impressive prime years speed that had prime Mike or Ali, Morrison, also didn't had Ali and some others champs reach.
So from pshyical parameters Dempsey, Rocky had far more difficulties to get into HW top than other guys.
Mike at least had brilliant speed and mobility, beautiful coaches ( young Dempsey didn't had Cus & Co team ) and he was in developed media era too.
What Seano said. Its pretty hard to rate an undefeated guy lower than a guy who lost so many over close to the same number of fights. Rocky didn’t know how to lose. Mike found ways to fail.
How can an out of retirement Larry be close to prime?Weird because he wasn't far removed from his prime when Tyson took his soul, I would say Holmes is highly underappreciated but that Tyson fight showed an apparent difference in class and is an undervalued win for Mike.
Tyson did not fight many big names and when he did he lost.
Marciano fought big names and beat them.
had the best "active" parry in the business, moved his head really well and was sneaky as fuck setting his shots up. ever wondered how someone can load up a massive right hand and still land it. rocky is one of the most underrated fighters of all time, when it comes to technique. no one closed the gap and stayed on top of his opponents as well as marciano, except maybe henry armstrong. his entries where miles better than mikes, who relied heavily on his speed to close the gap.He was tough as nails and hit like a truck. Technical is one of the last ways Id describe Rocky.
and a "can" like douglas, did knock tyson out. a young mike tyson.Charles was the only great fighter he beat that wasn't pushing 40yo, and he was robbed in their last fight.
Old farts Walcott and Moorer both nearly knocked Marciano out.
i wouldn't even favour louis or ali to beat holmes. the guys criminally underrated.Ali/Louis aside, Prime Larry beats them all.
Media wasn't that developed in Rocky era ( of course in Dempsey era to be noticed was even FAR more difficult than in Rocky era ).Marciano wasn't facing true world level guys until he he was 28
Yes plus Mike most likely in his true prime was the fastest ( legs ) HW boxer world ever had & had good height change mechanics.his entries where miles better than mikes, who relied heavily on his speed to close the gap.
I think that he was lucky to have beautiful team, sadly he changed coaches and then ….Irone Mike relatively quickly becomed slower.tyson was extremely flawed as a boxer, but his incredible physical attributes went a long way to masking these flaws.
Wasn't because otherwise he had been beated heavily and hard outgunned while closed distance.I'd argue that Marciano wasn't as crude
i agree with you about tyson's foot speed, it was exceptional. mike wasn't as good at drawing a lead as rocky, but he was brilliant at making his opponents panic punch (throw punches, from to far out without proper set ups). if someone overextended against tyson they were dead meat. tyson didn't deal well with people that he couldn't back up and this is the main reason i would heavily favour foreman over tyson in a theoretical matchup.Media wasn't that developed in Rocky era ( of course in Dempsey era to be noticed was even FAR more difficult than in Rocky era ).
Pro boxing heavily depends from 1. Media 2. Matchmakers 3. Promoters 4. Managers
Modern pro boxing is accompanied by media PR specialists too to get athlete more lucrative for public to see.
Yes plus Mike most likely in his true prime was the fastest ( legs ) HW boxer world ever had & had good height change mechanics.
I think that he was lucky to have beautiful team, sadly he changed coaches and then ….Irone Mike relatively quickly becomed slower.
Maybe another exercises programm etc stuff?
Partially.level of competition in Tysons era was better.
Why didn't Spinks or the super experienced Holmes figure Mike out then? They were at the top of the division, if Mike was going to get figured out by being too unvaried wouldn't this class of fighter?to compare tyson to american football, he was like the team that runs only half a dozen plays, with very little variation, but the plays are so good very few teams can stop them. fighters like this are extremely dangerous in form, but tend to look bad when their opponents figure them out. i have seen fighters do everything right against marciano and still lose (walcott and charles). when someone took the fight to tyson he usually lost. bruno and ruddock are the only two people i have seen mike beat that actually put up a fight, even tillis was starting to lace tyson towards the end of the match. there are worlds between tyson and marciano.