Who beats JDS?

You don't have to wait long at all TS, your question will be answer very soon.
 
Junior is just keeping Reem's belt warm for him.
 
Realistically, Cormier could most likely hang with JDS both standing and on the ground, which most others could not. Other than that, Hunt-o has the most obvious puncher's chance.
 
To me the number 1 mystery on sherdog is "Why the hell do so many people think Junior Dos Santos can outstrike Alistair Overeem?"

or to be more specific, a lot of people seem VERY confident that he'll not only beat Alistair on the feet but do so fairly easily.

To me this is mind blowing. I can't even think of a good analogy to stress how much that baffles me.

You can say "This isn't K1" all you want to but the differences are not big and the strikers in K1 are MUCH better than Junior Dos Santos. They just are. Tyrone Spong is so much better on the feet than Junior Dos Santos

and Alistair won the k1 grand prix! he beat Spong, but somehow he's not a big favorite to beat JDS standing? Actually not only is he not a big favorite, he's not even a favorite...

I'm so confused. Styles make fights and since JDS is a boxer/brawler with heavy hands, fighting the BEST KICKBOXER IN THE HW DIVISON should have people worried big time.

And it's not like Alistair is a 1-dimensional striker either, he's got great BJJ and GNP if he goes to the ground.

And who the heck has JDS even fought to make people think he can outstrike Alistair Overeem for fucks sakes? The best striker he's ever fought was a way past his prime Mirko and he came out with a big black eye.

the 2nd best elite one would be maybe... cain or mir (so in other words, not even close to Alistair level)

and maybe you want to point out that Overeem's only fought so/so fighters at HW except Brock and Werdum and maybe you'll say "oh he didn't look good against werdum at all"

but again STYLES MAKE FIGHTS. He looked sloppy against werdum because werdum was desperate to take it down and Overeem was only concerned about defending the takedown. He didn't give one single shit about Fabricio's hands

With JDS, he knows it's essentially a kickboxing match. There's almost no chance JDS would shoot for a takedown considering the confidence he has in his hands (he thinks he can knock out a klitchko for crying out loud)

So frankly we are going to get a STRIKING match between Overeem vs JDS, and that means Overeem will be in full k1 striking mode (except now he's allowed to thai clinch completely so he's even more dangerous)

That's a nightmare match up for Junior Dos Santos. The only prayer he has to win that (which is what I think JDS fans are counting on) is that the smaller gloves allow more shots to get through Overeem's high guard and basically that his so called "weak chin" will show up in the fight.

but not only do I think Overeem's "weak chin" is a myth, because he's never been hurt unless it was by a heavy hitter throwing a very nice punch, but even if it's not, he's learn to defend very well.
 
Natman2939 said:
To me the number 1 mystery on sherdog is "Why the hell do so many people think Junior Dos Santos can outstrike Alistair Overeem?"

or to be more specific, a lot of people seem VERY confident that he'll not only beat Alistair on the feet but do so fairly easily.

To me this is mind blowing. I can't even think of a good analogy to stress how much that baffles me.

You can say "This isn't K1" all you want to but the differences are not big and the strikers in K1 are MUCH better than Junior Dos Santos. They just are. Tyrone Spong is so much better on the feet than Junior Dos Santos

and Alistair won the k1 grand prix! he beat Spong, but somehow he's not a big favorite to beat JDS standing? Actually not only is he not a big favorite, he's not even a favorite...

I'm so confused. Styles make fights and since JDS is a boxer/brawler with heavy hands, fighting the BEST KICKBOXER IN THE HW DIVISON should have people worried big time.

And it's not like Alistair is a 1-dimensional striker either, he's got great BJJ and GNP if he goes to the ground.

And who the heck has JDS even fought to make people think he can outstrike Alistair Overeem for fucks sakes? The best striker he's ever fought was a way past his prime Mirko and he came out with a big black eye.

the 2nd best elite one would be maybe... cain or mir (so in other words, not even close to Alistair level)

and maybe you want to point out that Overeem's only fought so/so fighters at HW except Brock and Werdum and maybe you'll say "oh he didn't look good against werdum at all"

but again STYLES MAKE FIGHTS. He looked sloppy against werdum because werdum was desperate to take it down and Overeem was only concerned about defending the takedown. He didn't give one single shit about Fabricio's hands

With JDS, he knows it's essentially a kickboxing match. There's almost no chance JDS would shoot for a takedown considering the confidence he has in his hands (he thinks he can knock out a klitchko for crying out loud)

So frankly we are going to get a STRIKING match between Overeem vs JDS, and that means Overeem will be in full k1 striking mode (except now he's allowed to thai clinch completely so he's even more dangerous)

That's a nightmare match up for Junior Dos Santos. The only prayer he has to win that (which is what I think JDS fans are counting on) is that the smaller gloves allow more shots to get through Overeem's high guard and basically that his so called "weak chin" will show up in the fight.

but not only do I think Overeem's "weak chin" is a myth, because he's never been hurt unless it was by a heavy hitter throwing a very nice punch, but even if it's not, he's learn to defend very well.
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Glove size is going to play a big part imo
 
Nobody. But Cain and Cormier with better striking have the best chances.

It wouldn't surprise me if Cain and JDS gave us an epic trilogy.
 
JDS still has some really good talent he hasn't faced yet. Daniel Cormier for starters...guy is unbelievable. Probably has the best wrestling in the HW division Cain can't count him out he had surgery the first time and wasn't 100%. Overeem has been on a tear lately and after seeing how he dominated Brock and the other guy in Strikeforce those are three top caliber fighters that could give JDS a run for his money!
 
Natman2939 said:
To me the number 1 mystery on sherdog is "Why the hell do so many people think Junior Dos Santos can outstrike Alistair Overeem?"

or to be more specific, a lot of people seem VERY confident that he'll not only beat Alistair on the feet but do so fairly easily.

To me this is mind blowing. I can't even think of a good analogy to stress how much that baffles me.

You can say "This isn't K1" all you want to but the differences are not big and the strikers in K1 are MUCH better than Junior Dos Santos. They just are. Tyrone Spong is so much better on the feet than Junior Dos Santos

and Alistair won the k1 grand prix! he beat Spong, but somehow he's not a big favorite to beat JDS standing? Actually not only is he not a big favorite, he's not even a favorite...

I'm so confused. Styles make fights and since JDS is a boxer/brawler with heavy hands, fighting the BEST KICKBOXER IN THE HW DIVISON should have people worried big time.

And it's not like Alistair is a 1-dimensional striker either, he's got great BJJ and GNP if he goes to the ground.

And who the heck has JDS even fought to make people think he can outstrike Alistair Overeem for fucks sakes? The best striker he's ever fought was a way past his prime Mirko and he came out with a big black eye.

the 2nd best elite one would be maybe... cain or mir (so in other words, not even close to Alistair level)

and maybe you want to point out that Overeem's only fought so/so fighters at HW except Brock and Werdum and maybe you'll say "oh he didn't look good against werdum at all"

but again STYLES MAKE FIGHTS. He looked sloppy against werdum because werdum was desperate to take it down and Overeem was only concerned about defending the takedown. He didn't give one single shit about Fabricio's hands

With JDS, he knows it's essentially a kickboxing match. There's almost no chance JDS would shoot for a takedown considering the confidence he has in his hands (he thinks he can knock out a klitchko for crying out loud)

So frankly we are going to get a STRIKING match between Overeem vs JDS, and that means Overeem will be in full k1 striking mode (except now he's allowed to thai clinch completely so he's even more dangerous)

That's a nightmare match up for Junior Dos Santos. The only prayer he has to win that (which is what I think JDS fans are counting on) is that the smaller gloves allow more shots to get through Overeem's high guard and basically that his so called "weak chin" will show up in the fight.

but not only do I think Overeem's "weak chin" is a myth, because he's never been hurt unless it was by a heavy hitter throwing a very nice punch, but even if it's not, he's learn to defend very well.
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What I don't get is why do some people overrate K-1 so much? I followed it and they had great fighters like Cro Cop. But the talent pool isn't considered by some. Look at some of the fighters who have had some success there, it's not what some people make it out to be.

Also how isn't the Werdum match relevant? I know Werdum flopped a lot but they also had some striking exchanges. Overeem wasn't impressive against him, when he was getting hit he didn't react well and he had trouble countering.

The MMA gloves are a factor too.Dos Santos is the better athlete,he's tougher and he's the better Boxer that is enough for him to beat Overeem.
 
Someone88 said:
What I don't get is why do some people overrate K-1 so much? I followed it and they had great fighters like Cro Cop. But the talent pool isn't considered by some. Look at some of the fighters who have had some success there, it's not what some people make it out to be.
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No. K1 is not overrated. I used to think that myself before I really started watching it hardcore, I starting watching k1 like crazy, including watching most of the old events and the reason I know it's not overrated is simply the technique. If you watch mma fights, and watch k1 fights, and you really understand striking, you can see a night and day difference.

I lost a lot of respect for guys like Shogun and Wanderlei (that helped me fall in love with MMA) when I really started watching K1 because I realized that frankly.... they're terrible. They're striking is terrible. Oh sure for MMA it looks good. When compared to forrest griffin, shogun looks like floyd mayweather but the problem is there is no tyrone spong's in mma (until...obviously his debut)

the closest thing is Anderson Silva and frankly I've seen k1 guys that I'm 1000% sure would beat him on the feet 9/10 times, even if they were the same size. Tyrone Spong is a perfect example.


Also how isn't the Werdum match relevant? I know Werdum flopped a lot but they also had some striking exchanges. Overeem wasn't impressive against him, when he was getting hit he didn't react well and he had trouble countering.
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Did you even bother reading my post? I explained this pretty clearly.

Styles. Make. Fights.

When a great striker like Alistair is fighting someone like Werdum or Lesnar, he's more worried about the takedown than anything else, so it makes his striking look less impressive.

The only time Werdum had any good exchanges with him was when Overeem thought he was going to grab a leg so he kept his hands low. In the rare moments where Overeem was like "oh, you wanna strike?" He tagged Werdum with every punch and knee he threw. Easily. Effortlessly really.

So when Overeem is worried about the takedown (like he was against Werdum) his striking suffers a little. I don't debate that. And that's why I think Cain might be a bad match for him.

But against Junior Dos Santos, he's not going to be worried about the takedown which is why if Junior is smart, he'll surprise Reem with a couple of takedowns just to keep him guessing

but the thing is, I seriously don't think JDS will do that. I think he has so much confidence in his striking, he will actually have a straight up striking match with JDS (until he gets hurt, then he might start shooting) and that is why this will be whole different fight than Werdum. The two cannot even be compared because JDS is not a ground fighter.


The MMA gloves are a factor too.Dos Santos is the better athlete,he's tougher and he's the better Boxer that is enough for him to beat Overeem.
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-i don't think the mma gloves are that big of a deal.
-I don't know why you think JDS is the better athlete... better cardio because he doesn't carry as much muscle maybe, but that's not the same thing
-tougher?
-better boxer? shit.... alistair has thrown hands with Badri Hari and WON. JDS has simply thrown combinations at roy nelson's face. To really prove you're a good boxer, you have to box with someone that has good boxing, JDS has never done that. None of his opponents ever had good hands.
 
Trying to tell Someone88 that he's wrong is futile.

Just remember Natman, if JDS fights a Klitschko he would KO them. And in the rematch with Werdum JDS is going to throw him in a triangle from top position with his new blackbelt.
 
well im gonna pull out my inner nick diaz who claimed after beating paul daley that the best way to beat a great striker is to welcome it. thats the safest thing to do i believe is what diaz said. so.. overeem has the best chance according to my inner nick diaz
 
BuffaloEmperor said:
well im gonna pull out my inner nick diaz who claimed after beating paul daley that the best way to beat a great striker is to welcome it. thats the safest thing to do i believe is what diaz said. so.. overeem has the best chance according to my inner nick diaz
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Good analogy but it's hardly the same thing in my opinion.

Nick is a scrapper with good boxing, and Daley is a heavy heavy hitter with good striking.

Overeem is a world class striker and is one of the best strikers to ever compete in the entire sport of MMA. He is by far the most decorated to ever fight at heavyweight. Junior is a good boxer (by MMA standards) with good takedown defense who has gotten the chance to beat up a long line of grapplers.

Junior is the one who is the lesser striker.
 
cain definitely has a chance... i mean he just got caught the last time.. and the thought of him training as if hes possessed by demons after he lost to JDS is scary... that being said, i really hope jds wins.. the heavyweight division hasn't had longevity in terms of the heavyweight class .. pretty much ever
 
Anything can happen at HW but I think JDS has the TDD to beat Cain and better Cardio than Reem so I'd pick him over both.
DC would be interesting but I think he's still one win away from a shot.
 
JDS is a monster, and I would love to see him go unbeaten for another 5 years. That won't happen. The HW gauntlet is too tough for anyone to run like that. These guys are too big and talented, and at HW there is a large factor for "luck", injury, etc...
DC, Reem, Cain, Hunt, Werdum, and others all have the ability to pull off an upset.
And yes, Santos has a proven chin.
 
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