Which GOAT win was the best between these 2?

[pankrat]

What the hell are you blabbling about. Is that an admittal that Fitch was a greater win than Okami? And now since you lost you wanna switch to another comparison? You're a loser dude, a sore loser.

now go on and make that prime Fitch vs prime Okami poll.

As far as I concerned the arguments shared by each stance let us a clear winner.

Posters who initially had your stance but changed it through the debate: dozens
Posters who you managed to make change their stance with arguments: zero

Finish > Dec vs similar level of competition. Don't forget it loser.

Okami vs Fitch in their prime is a very close fight, at 185 Yushin definitely favourite

 

[Franklin U.]

Indeed, Fitch was seen a more of a challenge for the champ, but don't you agree that's more of a testament of Anderson's superiority over his peers, in a point in time when he was coming off front kicking Belfort to hell while GSP had tapped to strikes to Matt Serra not long ago?

To take away such credit from Silva in order to downplay his competiton and performances is unfair and dishonest.

Anyways, fair enough, I didnt know the meaning of plead the 5th. And yeah, of course Thunderstruck is one if the biggest morons around

Lol-

 

[Fioretti]

Conclusion:

Nothing Fitch has done warrants the determination that he was a better win, let alone such a significantly better win that decisioning him is better than knocking out Okami in 7 minutes. He had a longer win streak going into his title fight. That's it. Once you put context to it and analyze where they were really at, their level of opposition, and each fighters' accomplishments at the time of their title shot, Okami beats him in every category. Not by miles, of course, but by a significant enough margin that it proves there is no logical way to say Fitch was a better win. The only arguments are his 16 fight win streak where he acquired only 1 top 10 win, and him being ranked #2 for "so long" after the GSP fight - which is irrelevant in this case, and less significant than they want it to be overall. He went 6-4-1 and got 2 top 10 wins over the next 5 years after facing GSP. Okami had more top 10 wins going into his title fight than Fitch has had in his entire career. There is literally no case for Fitch.

Good day, nerds.

 

[Makani]

Honestly neither win was that impressive to me. Fitch had the style to beat a lot of the strikers lurking at WW at the time, but he was a worse version of GSP in every respect, I never gave him a ghost of a chance. Okami had beaten Marquart and one of the most overrated fighters ever in Munoz, his only chance was getting Silva down for the entire fight, other than that he was a worse version of Hendo, who is probably Anderson's best win. GSP's best win is probably Hughes.

 

[pankrat]

Lol-

BTW. Odds for Okami vs Fitch in their prime, at 170 let alone at 185 is a very close fight, you r a betting man and know it. As a reference:
https://www.bestfightodds.com/events/wsof-24-fitch-vs-okami-998

 

[Shaddows]

You guys do realize that Thuder is a blind GSP nuthugger who rather lie than admit that Silva ever did anything better than GSP, right?
I mean, do you really expect him to use common sense? Take things into context?
Seriously?
I mean, come on now! The one who should use common sense now are you... or else you will continue this debate for 20 more pages...

 

[Franklin U.]

BTW. Odds for Okami vs Fitch in their prime, at 170 let alone at 185 is a very close fight, you r a betting man and know it. As a reference:
https://www.bestfightodds.com/events/wsof-24-fitch-vs-okami-998

Yes
.....and Okami spent meat of career as a real sized middleweight so prime vs prime at a catch ( being fair ), those lines wouldnt be that far off.

Note to self - I'm really going to take it easy on thunderstruck. Hrs probably a nice dude.... hes entitled to his opinion.

 

[pankrat]

Honestly neither win was that impressive to me. Fitch had the style to beat a lot of the strikers lurking at WW at the time, but he was a worse version of GSP in every respect, I never gave him a ghost of a chance. Okami had beaten Marquart and one of the most overrated fighters ever in Munoz, his only chance was getting Silva down for the entire fight, other than that he was a worse version of Hendo, who is probably Anderson's best win. GSP's best win is probably Hughes.

I agree none of them had barely any chance. Said that, we could discredit like you did about every fighter from that time, not named Anderson and Georges.

Both Fitch and Okami would be at least very live underdogs vs anybody in the division except for the champions.
Hendo or Hughes were better wins well yeah, they r all-time greats and actually were champs at the time, so what?

These were two flawless performances vs legitimate tittle contenders, easily top5 wins in the record of p4p GOATs Silva and GSP and a good testament of why they were consdered p4p GOATs

 

[Fioretti]

Yes
.....and Okami spent meat of career as a real sized middleweight so prime vs prime at a catch ( being fair ), those lines wouldnt be that far off.

Note to self - I'm really going to take it easy on thunderstruck. Hrs probably a nice dude.... hes entitled to his opinion.

You know damn well that this kid isn't nice. Maybe he has a few complexes or some type of social dysfunction, but at some point you have to face reality. This isn't Fantasy fucking Island, my dude, this is Suredawg. As real as it gets.

 

[ThunderStruck]

As far as I concerned the arguments shared by each stance let us a clear winner.

Posters who initially had your stance but changed it through the debate: dozens
Posters who you managed to make change their stance with arguments: zero

Finish > Dec vs similar level of competition. Don't forget it loser.

Okami vs Fitch in their prime is a very close fight, at 185 Yushin definitely favourite

You are one pathetic pathelogical liar.

You think that insulting every single users that disagreed with you changed their minds? You are so toxic. How old are you really? You started watching mma 3 years ago so surely you must be a teenager.

Make the poll at WW obviously (unless you are an insecure piece of shit). Fitch had what? 1-2 fight over 170 in his first 2 years?

 

[Franklin U.]

You know damn well that this kid isn't nice. Maybe he has a few complexes or some type of social dysfunction, but at some point you have to face reality. This isn't Fantasy fucking Island, my dude, this is Suredawg. As real as it gets.

Lol - yeah well I'm trying to grow as a person every day .... so I consider it a challenge.

 

[tritestill]

Your fanboyism won't change the fact that rankings, odds and resume over top competition make it certainly debatable. Actually Okami had more ranked wins coming into the fight.

And stoppage > decision in the eyes of any fight fan who isn't a blind fanboy



Way removed from his prime. He also beat Shields the fight next so your "ffs lol" doesnt make it any less of a simpleton argument.
And Fitch got caught by PEDs around that time, the guy was as ripped as ever in his 40. Educate urself Mr. ffs lol

Condescending and laughable, tbh. Sad attempts at personal insults, you have no idea how I feel about Anderson and GSP individually and independently apart from this thread.

Could you all elaborate? Why do you have this perception? Is it only because of Fitch's win streak? Are you aware that Fitch only had 1 top 10 win to Okami's 4 at the times in question? What makes it "not even debatable" or "not even remotely close", and how do you personally feel Fitch was such a higher quality opponent that a flawless 7 minute KO is somehow undeniably inferior to a 5 round decision victory?

Umm...your next post was also a pathetic attempt at throwing a personal insult. Either you are genuine or not and you are not.

 

[pankrat]

Condescending and laughable, tbh. Sad attempts at personal insults, you have no idea how I feel about Anderson and GSP individually and independently apart from this thread.



Umm...your next post was also a pathetic attempt at throwing a personal insult. Either you are genuine or not and you are not.

You got in the 18th page of thread with hyperbolic statements like "easily", "silly question", "not even close" while at the same time offering no argument whatsoever. Nothing, zero.

Yeah, you sounded genuine as fuck, uh?

So I reply to you that rankigs and odds at the time, as well as credentials they had going into the fight, make it at the very least certainly debatable Fith/Okami in terms of caliber of competition. Plus finishing a fight > a decision.

If you are gonna get in a discussion with no argument whatsoever at least lay aside the hyperbolic, void BS. Otherwise what genuinity are you asking for?

 

[sonhow]

Fitch but he was like GSP's top 5 win. Anderson does have better wins that Fitch though like Sonnen, Franklin, Hendo and Belfort. If Maia hadn't fought Nate the Great he would arguably have been a better win at the time.
In GOAT discussion I only side with Georges due to Silva's failed test.

 

[tritestill]

You got in the 18th page of thread with hyperbolic statements like "easily", "silly question", "not even close" while at the same time offering no argument whatsoever. Nothing, zero.

Yeah, you sounded genuine as fuck, uh?

So I reply to you that rankigs and odds at the time, as well as credentials they had going into the fight, make it at the very least certainly debatable Fith/Okami in terms of caliber of competition. Plus finishing a fight > a decision.

If you are gonna get in a discussion with no argument whatsoever at least lay aside the hyperbolic, void BS. Otherwise what genuinity are you asking for?

Lol. You think I read through the first 17 pages, before putting my opinion? Unreal. Done responding to you.

 

[pankrat]

Lol. You think I read through the first 17 pages, before putting my opinion? Unreal. Done responding to you.

17 or 2 is anecdotic, stop pretending dude

The fact is you come into a discussion with hyperbolic, void statements while not delivering any argument whatsoever and then you accuse people of not being genuine. lol

What an hypocrite moron. Go away POS

 

[pankrat]

Fitch but he was like GSP's top 5 win. Anderson does have better wins that Fitch though like Sonnen, Franklin, Hendo and Belfort. If Maia hadn't fought Nate the Great he would arguably have been a better win at the time.
In GOAT discussion I only side with Georges due to Silva's failed test.

So Maia would have been a better win that Fitch by decision but finishing Okami, who was actually coming off beating Marquardt, isnt?
Something is missing in that logic, friend.

BTW, Maia dropped to WW after losing to Muñoz, another guy Okami beat on his way to the tittle shot.

 

[sonhow]

So Maia would have been a better win that Fitch by decision but finishing Okami, who was actually coming off beating Marquardt, isnt?
Something is missing in that logic, friend.

BTW, Maia dropped to WW after losing to Muñoz, another guy Okami beat on his way to the tittle shot.

Well arguably yes and because he never fought Nate in this scenario who lost to Okami (Unfairly in my mind I will always have Nate over Okami but thats just my opinion - my biased brain says Nate beats Okami and Okami's best wins more often than not but I am very biased towards Nate.). Not to mention Maia has mmath win over Okami due to Chael anyways.

 

[Fioretti]

Condescending and laughable, tbh. Sad attempts at personal insults, you have no idea how I feel about Anderson and GSP individually and independently apart from this thread.

Umm...your next post was also a pathetic attempt at throwing a personal insult. Either you are genuine or not and you are not.

What personal insult? This is what I said: "Could you all elaborate? Why do you have this perception? Is it only because of Fitch's win streak? Are you aware that Fitch only had 1 top 10 win to Okami's 4 at the times in question? What makes it "not even debatable" or "not even remotely close", and how do you personally feel Fitch was such a higher quality opponent that a flawless 7 minute KO is somehow undeniably inferior to a 5 round decision victory?"

That seems like a genuine question without any insults. Why didn't you answer? Weird.

Ohhhh my next post, right?

"Notice the pattern here? The GSP fanatics come in with "omg Fitch was so much better, no contest!", yet give zero insight, and they don't even attempt to actually analyze or assess the situations. They don't even want to try."

This is a "pathetic attempt at throwing a personal insult" ? Are you sure? Who did I personally attack or insult? That was a very genuine evaluation of who has been choosing Fitch as the significant win. If you were included in the previous question and have yet to provide any insight, analysis, or assessment, then my evaluation is spot on, isn't it? Do you feel insulted because I said GSP fanatic? So, because of that you can't possibly provide any insight or elaboration?

 

[Fioretti]

Well arguably yes and because he never fought Nate in this scenario who lost to Okami (Unfairly in my mind I will always have Nate over Okami but thats just my opinion - my biased brain says Nate beats Okami and Okami's best wins more often than not but I am very biased towards Nate.). Not to mention Maia has mmath win over Okami due to Chael anyways.

Okami literally got his title shot by beating Nate though. So, whatever is "in your mind" isn't reflecting reality here. That seems to be the common theme with anybody picking the Fitch fight as a "superior" victory. They can't say why or provide any objective facts to support their claim, it just seems that "in their minds" Fitch was better. Nobody is actually analyzing or evaluating the fighters here. They're very comparable, with the edge in quality going to Okami. Once you factor in finish vs decision, it's no contest. Sorry, friends.