Which GOAT win was the best between these 2?

Whos win was better?

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Conclusion:

Nothing Fitch has done warrants the determination that he was a better win, let alone such a significantly better win that decisioning him is better than knocking out Okami in 7 minutes. He had a longer win streak going into his title fight. That's it. Once you put context to it and analyze where they were really at, their level of opposition, and each fighters' accomplishments at the time of their title shot, Okami beats him in every category. Not by miles, of course, but by a significant enough margin that it proves there is no logical way to say Fitch was a better win. The only arguments are his 16 fight win streak where he acquired only 1 top 10 win, and him being ranked #2 for "so long" after the GSP fight - which is irrelevant in this case, and less significant than they want it to be overall. He went 6-4-1 and got 2 top 10 wins over the next 5 years after facing GSP. Okami had more top 10 wins going into his title fight than Fitch has had in his entire career. There is literally no case for Fitch.

Good day, nerds.
 
sonhow said:
Well arguably yes and because he never fought Nate in this scenario who lost to Okami (Unfairly in my mind I will always have Nate over Okami but thats just my opinion - my biased brain says Nate beats Okami and Okami's best wins more often than not but I am very biased towards Nate.). Not to mention Maia has mmath win over Okami due to Chael anyways.
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I won't even argue if Marquardt was better or worse than Okami. There is evidence enough that they were comparable caliber of opponent and both have a legit case over each other.
They held similar standing in the division for many years, odds were close head to head or in common match ups, and their actual fight refflected they were at a similar level.

What Im arguing is that saying a decision is a better win (often with hyperboles like "easily", "absolutely", etc) than a finish when facing similar level of competition is biased as fuck, and there is lot of it in this thread.
 
Fioretti said:
Okami literally got his title shot by beating Nate though. So, whatever is "in your mind" isn't reflecting reality here. That seems to be the common theme with anybody picking the Fitch fight as a "superior" victory. They can't say why or provide any objective facts to support their claim, it just seems that "in their minds" Fitch was better. Nobody is actually analyzing or evaluating the fighters here. They're very comparable, with the edge in quality going to Okami. Once you factor in finish vs decision, it's no contest. Sorry, friends.
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Fair point. Finish is amazing vs that level of competition. What might sway me towards Fitch is that he always seemed to win when not fighting Georges. I guess I made some money out of those wins at the time.
 
sonhow said:
Fair point. Finish is amazing vs that level of competition. What might sway me towards Fitch is that he always seemed to win when not fighting Georges. I guess I made some money out of those wins at the time.
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Yet, before he fought GSP, the only top 10 guy he beat was Diego Sanchez. Literally. After GSP, the only top 10's he beat were Thiago Alves and Paulo Thiago. Paulo Thiago was only ranked for maybe 5-6 months after KO'ing Kos.
 
pankrat said:
17 or 2 is anecdotic, stop pretending dude

The fact is you come into a discussion with hyperbolic, void statements while not delivering any argument whatsoever and then you accuse people of not being genuine. lol

What an hypocrite moron. Go away POS
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Typical poster, giving Sherdog a bad name. Flings insults to strangers, like it matters. Sad and pathetic really. Typical...YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME, YOU ARE AN IDIOT rhetoric. It's painfully obvious to me and my decision, I owe you no explanation, none. You comprehend?
 
Fioretti said:
What personal insult? This is what I said: "Could you all elaborate? Why do you have this perception? Is it only because of Fitch's win streak? Are you aware that Fitch only had 1 top 10 win to Okami's 4 at the times in question? What makes it "not even debatable" or "not even remotely close", and how do you personally feel Fitch was such a higher quality opponent that a flawless 7 minute KO is somehow undeniably inferior to a 5 round decision victory?"

That seems like a genuine question without any insults. Why didn't you answer? Weird.

Ohhhh my next post, right?

"Notice the pattern here? The GSP fanatics come in with "omg Fitch was so much better, no contest!", yet give zero insight, and they don't even attempt to actually analyze or assess the situations. They don't even want to try."

This is a "pathetic attempt at throwing a personal insult" ? Are you sure? Who did I personally attack or insult? That was a very genuine evaluation of who has been choosing Fitch as the significant win. If you were included in the previous question and have yet to provide any insight, analysis, or assessment, then my evaluation is spot on, isn't it? Do you feel insulted because I said GSP fanatic? So, because of that you can't possibly provide any insight or elaboration?
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I owe you no explanation. Felt, due, to post after you quoted mine that you were operation on bias (which, you believe others are and to an extent, we all are) so, do you genuinely want to know? Does not sound like it to me.
 
tritestill said:
I owe you no explanation. Felt, due, to post after you quoted mine that you were operation on bias (which, you believe others are and to an extent, we all are) so, do you genuinely want to know? Does not sound like it to me.
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I do want to know, which is why I asked. I'd also like you to elaborate on why you think it's so clearly Fitch. After an actual non-biased and objective evaluation of where each guy was at the time of his title shot, I see no logical way to determine that Fitch was of such higher quality that decisioning him was somehow better than KO'ing Okami in 7 minutes.

He had a longer active win streak. That's it. Only one ranked fighter in that streak. I'd really like to know if you're just parroting hype from commentators and fanboys, or if you've actually evaluated it and see something that I've overlooked.
 
Fitch was on a 16 fight win streak and GSP completely outclassed him. Fitch also had more immediate success following the fight, whereas Okami was KO’d in his very next fight.

Don’t get me wrong, Anderson outclassed Okami too, but not in the same fashion that GSP did Fitch, despite not getting a finish.

Fitch and Okami also fought and Fitch won. Not the most relevant as neither was really in their prime at the time, but I’ll throw it out there.

Really the only thing Anderson’s win has on GSP’s is the fact it was a finish.
 
MitMcl said:
Fitch was on a 16 fight win streak and GSP completely outclassed him. Fitch also had more immediate success following the fight, whereas Okami was KO’d in his very next fight.

Don’t get me wrong, Anderson outclassed Okami too, but not in the same fashion that GSP did Fitch, despite not getting a finish.

Fitch and Okami also fought and Fitch won. Not the most relevant as neither was really in their prime at the time, but I’ll throw it out there.

Really the only thing Anderson’s win has on GSP’s is the fact it was a finish.
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Fair enough. Some corrections though:

- That 16 winning streak is a rigged number. It includes one of the bigges robberies at the time vs Joslin which would make such streak 8, not 16.

- Okami was in a 20-3 run coming into the tittle fight with more top ranked wins under his belt than Fitch had.

- Silva definitely outclassed Okami to a higher degree than GSP did to Fitch, even regardless of the finish. I mean, look at the fight. I dont think it's arguable. The clowning that preceeded the finish is a rarely seen superiority in tittle fights.

- I dont think their fight with both past their prime - and Fitch on the juice - tells that much but the odds coming into the fight actually had Okami favourite which again indicates that they were very on par in terms of caliber of competition.
 
ThunderStruck said:
So in a period of 42 months, he was ranked #2 WW for 32 months and ranked #3 for 10 months.

All that in a more stacked division than MW
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The alleged perennial #2 in a "super stacked" division has Erick Silva and Mike Pierce among the 5 best wins in his career. Isn't that an oxymoron?
 
Definitely GSP's win over Fitch.
 
boingyman said:
Definitely GSP's win over Fitch.
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Considering that it's a very open debate, that a finish > a decision, and that pundits, rankings, odds, stats and record vs top ranked opponents say that Fitch/Okami were very similar caliber of competition.

Could you explain why you claim in the 22th page of thread that "definitely". Whoever you pick as better, interested on knowing about the solid arguments behind that "definitely"
 
pankrat said:
Considering that it's a very open debate, that a finish > a decision, and that pundits, rankings, odds, stats and record vs top ranked opponents say that Fitch/Okami were very similar caliber of competition.

Could you explain why you claim in the 22th page of thread that "definitely". Whoever you pick as better, interested on knowing about the solid arguments behind that "definitely"
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Fitch was clearly the #2 WW at the time and on a huge winning streak, including being undefeated in the UFC at that point. Although Okami was a legit contender it was basically process of elimination since Anderson was running through everyone at that point, except most was waiting for the Sonnen rematch. Caliber wise very similar, but on paper Fitch was the clear #2, whereas even if Okami won, there were many hypothetical matches he could have loss next.
 
pankrat said:
The alleged perennial #2 in a "super stacked" division has Erick Silva and Mike Pierce among the 5 best wins in his career. Isn't that an oxymoron?
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The oxymoron is the one acting like Mike Pierce isn't a very solid win. Keep exposing your lack of mma knowledge.
 
pankrat said:
Considering that it's a very open debate, that a finish > a decision, and that pundits, rankings, odds, stats and record vs top ranked opponents say that Fitch/Okami were very similar caliber of competition.

Could you explain why you claim in the 22th page of thread that "definitely". Whoever you pick as better, interested on knowing about the solid arguments behind that "definitely"
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Funny that you feel the need to reply to every single user that says Fitch as a desperate attempt to change their opinion. How insecure are you?
 
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