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Let the adults discuss. If another poster brings arguments and honesty, better shut up and take note.
Which GOAT win was the best between these 2?
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Let the adults discuss. If another poster brings arguments and honesty, better shut up and take note.
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Yes it is. Im stating for 22 pages of thread that BOTH Fitch and Okami were legitimate tittle contenders and similarly credited vs top competition.
So Mike Pierce gets that credit from me. It's YOU who take away such credit from Muñoz, Lombard or Swick, as credited as Pierce if not more. Stop being such a coward about it.
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He only had 1 top 10 win at that point in his career. How was he the clear #2? Alves had just knocked out Hughes a month before Fitch vs GSP. He had a win over Alves before Alves was ranked, and a win over Sanchez who was #6 or lower. He hadn't beaten anybody over #5. How did he acquire such a high and clear ranking?
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Saying they were similarly credited vs top comp is generous towards Fitch. Okami literally had 4x the top 10 wins that Fitch did. 4:1
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I respect your opinion but that doesnt makes a "definitely" case for Fitch.
Correct me if im wrong, your point is basically that he was ranked #2 in his division, "clearly" (which I dont quite agree, but it's your stance)
Well, if you acknowledge that Fitch and Okami were similar caliber of opponent but there were other contenders of same or superior caliber at MW....that literally describes a more stacked division at the top and doesnt make Silva's performances any worse.
Okami had already gotten a tittle shot in 2008 btw, three years before, but missed by injury.
Fitch beat only one actual contender from that era (Alves), none other unanimously top5 ranked in the division; his other top10 ranked wins in his career are Diego and Paulo. Okami had more top ranked wins than Fitch, coming up to their tittle shot and in their whole UFC stint too.
Honestly, I dont think it justifies the claim that outclassing and finishing your opponent in a tittle fight is an inferior performance than taking it to the judges, as lopsided as it was. Much less "definitely"
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Fitch was probably seen as a more of a challenge for the champion at the time, but that's another story. It doesnt make Silva's win any worse. It refflect sthe superiority of Silva above his peers, especially at that point in time, coming off front kicking Belfort as opposed to GSP tapping to strikes to Matt Serra not that long ago.
To take away such credit from Silva in order to downplay his performance and competition is dishonest and unfair IMO
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October 2008
Sherdog Official Mixed Martial Arts Rankings - Welterweight
Alves #2
Fitch #3
GSP vs Fitch was in fucking August 2008. How long did Fitch hold #2? Was it so clear? Fuck, man.
Sherdog Official Mixed Martial Arts Rankings - Welterweight
Alves #2
Fitch #3
GSP vs Fitch was in fucking August 2008. How long did Fitch hold #2? Was it so clear? Fuck, man.
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I honestly don't know much about official and media rankings but I do know that Paulo Thiago is a top3 win in Jon Fitch's career, and Erick Silva and Mike Pierce are who better dispute him such spot.
They weren't bad fighters of course but I dont think are the credentials for a perennial #2 in the allegedly most stacked division according to some fans around here, lot of them Canadians.
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On paper, 2 of his 5 best wins throughout his entire career were unranked. 4 out of 5 were unranked going into his title fight.
Okami had 4 top 10 wins going into his title fight, and has 5+ throughout his career.
There is no case for Fitch being the "better" win, and absolutely nothing that justifies a decision over Fitch (at any time during his career) would somehow be more significant than KO'ing Okami in 7 minutes.
They're very comparable opponents, with the edge in overall quality going to Okami.
That just show how dogshit middleweight was back then.
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Sure, but Okami's top wins are still on par with Fitch's if not superior.
How "dogshit" WW was when Fitch was a perennial #2 with Paulo Thiago as a top3 win in his career. Erick Slva and Mike Pierce are who better dispute him such spot.
BTW odds for Fitch vs Okami match up:
https://www.bestfightodds.com/events/wsof-24-fitch-vs-okami-998
Okami favourite
You are an uneducated fanboy with no arguments whatsoever in your bag. We both know it, have a good day
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Lmao one of Anderson biggest fanboy calling me a fanboy. Let me just tell you this I don't rate either them highly at all. But the fact is still a far more impressive than fucking okamk.
Also Fitch has a win over Okami, despite being a much smaller man.
And Anderson is getting more and more irrelevant in the goat discussion, so go cry me a river.
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Dude every argument you deliver is simpleton and biased. That's what makes you a fanboy, get it right.
Now all you get to say is that Fitch beat Okami way past their prime, with Fitch looking as ripped as ever in his late 30s and actually getting caught for PEDs around that time. In top of it you didnt watch the fight, we both know it. Stop pretending dude.
Okami closer to his prime kicked Shields ass at WW btw. Another fight you didnt watch but go check the figh finder and keep pretending.
I'm a fanboy because I'm telling the truth? I think both of them are overrated but okami is 10x more overrated by Anderson fanboys on this site. Also okami was still clearly the bigger man when he fought Fitch.
Just admit that you're a silva fanboy and can't handle the truth that his competition is weak compared to Jones, Aldo, and GSP.
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You are not proving otherwise with yet another blanket, simpleton, fanboy reply.
"Just admit" "they were all overrated" and "I speak the truth"....you just can't get it more textbook shertard, the whole package.
Stay safe.
first, go learn the definition of fanboy. I'm not the one here that's mindlessly shilling for Silva. I don't rate either of them highly but it's clear that you cant be objective about silva opponents.
And second, go watch okami fights with your eye open. Then come back and tell how he's a better fighter than Fitch.
And third, Jon has a win over okami. That's the truth whether you like it or not.
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Dude I watched with the eyes open Okami fight Rich Franklin, Jake Shields and Nate Marquardt. All 3 ranked top5, all 3 in their prime. None of them managed to take a clear, dominant round over Yushin and all went to extremely close decs.
The guy you are saying was far superior has Paulo Thiago as a top3 win in his career, and didn make much if any better vs Sanchez (his 2nd best win) than Okami did in any of the aforementioned fights if you actually watch them, even with one eye. But you don't, you can stop pretending.
A textbook shertard who can only deliver void judgements based on FightFinder - which is literally al you have done and you go by the 6th reply or so in this thread- is not giving any lessons
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Fitch was #3 less than 2 months after losing to GSP and was 1-1 in top 10 fights throughout his 23 fight career at that point. How dogshit was WW to have a #3 with only 1 top 10 win? How dogshit was WW to have him as the clear cut #2 for "42 months" when he had only added another 2 top 10 wins to his resume over the next 5 years and 11 fights? Damn.
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He lost #2 when losing to GSP, Alves taking the #2 spot. A year later Fitch got back his #2 spot and held it for more than 2 years. Just look at sherdog archives, its pretty clear.
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Fitch was a better win because he was a better fighter before and after his loss to GSP than okami was. He was on a long unbeaten streak and was more of a #1 contender than okami. I won’t make excuses for GSP not finishing fights, he could have been more aggressive sometimes than he was. But I think dismantling guys, often at their own game, is equally impressive. In a world where there was no GSP, Fitch could very well have been a UFC champion and maybe had some defenses, but I know that’s speculation. We’ll never know. On the other hand, I don’t see yushin ever holding a ufc belt, I just don’t think he was that caliber of fighter. No doubt he was good, and I liked okami a lot, but I don’t think he was a champion level fighter.
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How did he get to #2 before losing to GSP? Beating unranked Chris Wilson?
