Which GOAT win was the best between these 2?

[Dirty Frank]

Impressive is subjective I guess so nothing to argue there, thanks for the honesty which many of the fanboys around here don't have

Yeah nothing to argue agasint PED, I think GSP has the best case for non-proven cheater GOAT, along with Fedor and Aldo

Put Khabib in there and we're good. (this'll rile you up probably)

 

[pankrat]

Put Khabib in there and we're good. (this'll rile you up probably)

I have Khabib below the 6 classic GOAT contenders. Too bad he retired so early.

 

[Dirty Frank]

I have Khabib below the 6 classic GOAT contenders. Too bad he retired so early.

That's a debate for another day, Shermano. Have a good one!

 

[Fioretti]

Ranked wins in a thin division.

Yet, you're praising Fitch for getting a title shot in the "stacked" division with only 1 top 10 win in his entire career? Which division looks more thin here? The one giving title shots and high rankings to a guy with only 1 top 10 win and a win over an unranked newcomer, or the division where the guy had 4 top 10 wins and had to earn two title shots against top 5 guys? Hmmmmmm

Why are ignoring the fact that Fitch wasn't #2 when he fought GSP? Alves was for knocking out Hughes just the month before the Fitch/GSP fight. I've only said it about 4 or 5 times now. What's matter, sugartits?

 

[JumJum]

Silva isn't GOAT. Demetrious is way better than him. Also got better grappling and more TD. Oh but he is a dwarf so he doesnt count. Khabib also was better than both oh but he is Muslim and everyone here are rednecks so he is also doesn't count

 

[theleerygoose]

Nobody disputed that? Cut the BS

Fitch had only one ranked win at the moment of the fight, who was #5 Sánchez by SD. Add Alves who went into a great run after losing to Fitch, but that's the only actual tittle contender from that era that Fitch beat.
Okami had more credentials than that coming into his tittle fight

Silva finished the fight. GSP didnt.

Silva was at the peak of his reign coming off front kicking Belfort, while GSP had tapped to stroked to Serra not that long ago.

That's why Okami was regarded as less of a challenge than Fitch but it talks about Silva's greatness not Okami's being an inferior caliber of opponent, which he wasn't according to rankings, odds and credentials at the time of the fight.

Dude, Fitch was on a 16 fight win streak and Okami was on a 3 fight win streak having lost to Sonnen decisively just 4 fights ago. This is not the competition you think it is, Fitch was a much stronger win for GSP.

As for what the fight odds say you can take those and shove it. The fact that GSP was more of a betting favorite is because Silva was believed to be closer to the end of his prime, which he was.

Again, I wish this was a closer call but Fitch was a much bigger win than Okami.

 

[pankrat]

Dude, Fitch was on a 16 fight win streak and Okami was on a 3 fight win streak having lost to Sonnen decisively just 4 fights ago. This is not the competition you think it is, Fitch was a much stronger win for GSP.

As for what the fight odds say you can take those and shove it. The fact that GSP was more of a betting favorite is because Silva was believed to be closer to the end of his prime, which he was.

Again, I wish this was a closer call but Fitch was a much bigger win than Okami.

Pundits and odds at the time dont back up your "much bigger win" blanket statement.

Fitch vs Joslin in that 16 streak was an infamous robbery. When your argument revolves around a rigged number, how void is that?

By caliber of competiton, Okami's ifghts vs Swick, Marquard, Shields, Muñoz, Tanner, Belcher were better credentials coming into the fight than Fitch had

Okami was in a 20-3 run more top ranked Ws and any of those 3Ls were better competition than anybody Fitch had faced coming into the GSP fight

You can downplay it now a decade later but pundits back then credited for it.

 

[Fioretti]

Dude, Fitch was on a 16 fight win streak and Okami was on a 3 fight win streak having lost to Sonnen decisively just 4 fights ago. This is not the competition you think it is, Fitch was a much stronger win for GSP.

As for what the fight odds say you can take those and shove it. The fact that GSP was more of a betting favorite is because Silva was believed to be closer to the end of his prime, which he was.

Again, I wish this was a closer call but Fitch was a much bigger win than Okami.

He had 1 top 10 win in that 16 fight streak. Half of it was outside of the UFC, and 3 of the 8 fights outside of the UFC were in some obscure, one night, tournament in Mexico against nobodies. Not to say that 16 wins in a row isn't impressive, it's a feat in itself, but he hadn't beaten anybody of note yet, except Diego Sanchez, then beat unranked UFC newcomer Chris Wilson to finally earn his title shot. Travis Fulton has had streaks of 25+ three times in his career. So what?

You have the odds wrong here. Silva was a bigger favorite over Okami, which people are saying is because he (Okami) wasn't as good as a contender. That's not true. Fitch was a bigger challenge to GSP, but it's a testament of how good Silva is/was, not how bad Okami was. Okami was 10-2 in the UFC, only losing to Chael and Franklin, and acquired 3 top 10 wins along the way. Fitch was 8-0 and only faced one top 10 opponent. His 16 fight win streak, although impressive on paper, is unsubstantial. Both Fitch and Okami had very similar winning percentages, finishing percentages, and Okami had him smoked in both level of competition and experience. Facts.

 

[Fioretti]

Stats going into their title fights:

Fitch: 19-2-1 (86.36% win rate) with 11 finishes (57.89% finish rate in 19 victories) over 6 years with 1 top 10 win.
Okami: 27-5 (84.38% win rate) with 14 finishes (51.85% finish rate in 27 victories) over 9 years with 4 top 10 wins.

Now, given that Okami had 10 more fights than Fitch did at this time, the numbers aren't quite as accurate as they would be with an equal sample sizes. So, let's take a look at where Okami was at 22 fights into his career:

Both fighters 22 fights into their careers:

Fitch was 19-2-1 (86.36% win rate) with 11 finishes (57.89% finish rate in 19 victories) over 6 years with 1 top 10 win.
Okami was 19-3 (86.36% win rate) with 11 finishes (57.89% finish rate in 19 victories) over 4 years with 1 top 10 win.

Would you look at that? Weird, isn't it.

-This is where Fitch was at when he fought GSP
-Okami had already matched what Fitch had done ("virtually identical!") and had 10 more fights before he fought Silva
-Okami would go 8-2 over his next 10 fights, adding 3 top 10 wins (Tanner, Swick, and Marquardt), only losing to top 5 former champ Rich Franklin, and future 2 time contender Chael Sonnen

Let's see how Fitch did over his next 10 fights, and where he was at 32 fights into his career:

At 32 fights into their careers:

Okami: 27-5 (84.38% win rate) with 14 finishes (51.85% finish rate) - 3-1 in his last 4 fights - with 4 top 10 wins
Fitch: 25-6-1 (78.12% win rate) with 11 finishes (44% finish rate) - 1-3 in his last 4 fights - with 3 top 10 wins

Fun facts:

- Fitch went 6-4-1 in his next 11 fights over 5 years compared to Okami's 8-2
- Fitch didn't get one single finish in 5 years/11 fights - lowering his finish rate by over 13%.
- Fitch (while being the consensus #2 for 3.5 years) only added 6 more total wins to his resume in 5 years/11 fights - lowering his win rate by over 8%.
- Fitch (while being the consensus #2 for 3.5 years) only added 2 more top 10 wins to his resume in 5 years/11 fights - still less than what Okami had when he fought Silva.
- This is where Okami was at when he fought Silva for the title.
- This is where Fitch was at 5 years after facing GSP, after holding the #2 spot in the "most stacked division" for 42 months.

So, please, children. Tell me how Fitch was so much better. What the fuck did he do? The win streak!? Meatloaf?

 

[ThunderStruck]

The first answer ITT got 22 likes & disagreed with ya, did you include them, tho...?

Are you serious? What a sore loser.

 

[BalloonFoot]

Anderson actually finished Okami. Fitch got beat down for 5 rounds, but finishes are what is impressive and matters

GSP doesn't know a lot about that as a champ.

 

[gono btw]

Are you serious? What a sore loser.

ok...

In short:

> Your OP ["minor leagues" / 16 Wins Streak] is definitely not biased.

> Your so-called ´poll' is not biased.

> You´re really, really not biased af...


What a legit thread, mate...

 

[ThunderStruck]

ok...

In short:

> Your OP ["minor leagues" / 16 Wins Streak] is definitely not biased.

> Your so-called ´poll' is not biased.

> You´re really, really not biased af...


What a legit thread, mate...

What exactly is biased about my poll? Go on and enlighten me.

 

[ThunderStruck]

OWNED

Oh! Go on and make that poll bro.

 

[gono btw]

What exactly is biased about my poll? Go on and enlighten me.

Nuthin´, lil Disciple... Keep sleepin´...

 

[Fioretti]

Stats going into their title fights:

Fitch: 19-2-1 (86.36% win rate) with 11 finishes (57.89% finish rate in 19 victories) over 6 years with 1 top 10 win.
Okami: 27-5 (84.38% win rate) with 14 finishes (51.85% finish rate in 27 victories) over 9 years with 4 top 10 wins.

Now, given that Okami had 10 more fights than Fitch did at this time, the numbers aren't quite as accurate as they would be with equal sample sizes. So, let's take a look at where Okami was at 22 fights into his career:

Both fighters 22 fights into their careers:

Fitch was 19-2-1 (86.36% win rate) with 11 finishes (57.89% finish rate in 19 victories) over 6 years with 1 top 10 win.
Okami was 19-3 (86.36% win rate) with 11 finishes (57.89% finish rate in 19 victories) over 4 years with 1 top 10 win.

Would you look at that? Weird, isn't it.

-This is where Fitch was at when he fought GSP
-Okami had already matched what Fitch had done ("virtually identical!") and had 10 more fights before he fought Silva
-Okami would go 8-2 over his next 10 fights, adding 3 top 10 wins (Tanner, Swick, and Marquardt), only losing to top 5 former champ Rich Franklin and future 2 time contender Chael Sonnen

Let's see how Fitch did over his next 10 fights, and where he was at 32 fights into his career:

At 32 fights into their careers:

Okami: 27-5 (84.38% win rate) with 14 finishes (51.85% finish rate) - 3-1 in his last 4 fights - with 4 top 10 wins
Fitch: 25-6-1 (78.12% win rate) with 11 finishes (44% finish rate) - 1-3 in his last 4 fights - with 3 top 10 wins

Fun facts:

- Fitch went 6-4-1 in his next 11 fights over 5 years compared to Okami's 8-2
- Fitch didn't get one single finish in 5 years/11 fights - lowering his finish rate by over 13%.
- Fitch (while being the consensus #2 for 3.5 years) only added 6 more total wins to his resume in 5 years/11 fights - lowering his win rate by over 8%.
- Fitch (while being the consensus #2 for 3.5 years) only added 2 more top 10 wins to his resume in 5 years/11 fights - still less than what Okami had when he fought Silva.
- This is where Okami was at when he fought Silva for the title.
- This is where Fitch was at 5 years after facing GSP, after holding the #2 spot in the "most stacked division" for 42 months.

So, please, children. Tell me how Fitch was so much better. What the fuck did he do? The win streak!? Meatloaf?

 

[pankrat]

Oh! Go on and make that poll bro.

Do not doubt for even a split second, that the beautiful finishing sequence Silva applied on Nate Marquardt in a tittle fight is a better win, a superior performance, than taking Josh Koshcheck and Thiago Alves to auto-pilot / looping decisions.

Whenever your FAT ass heales up from the severe raping you've suffered in this ur own thread, don't be afraid to make the poll.

 

[Franklin U.]

Surprising and would say incoherent knowing the poster.

Legit finish > Decision over comparable caliber of competition. Anyhitng else is bias or dishonesty

First off the guy is a complete nimrod. I've already outed him as much . Why would you even let him goad you into something like this. I know u like yushin but everyone outside of a biased chael sonnen , knew Andy was going to walk through Okami. The Fitch fight- given the time and the fight he was expecting to bring- getting 50-43 ed across the board was almost like a finish. I , basically, call it even and that's why I didnt comment.

Finishes do mean more ( in this situation) given the gamut of inferior fighters that gsp went through and has a ton of UDs. Gsp fans , LMFAO, will tell you he dominated a bunch of killers..... no.

Andy > Gsp.

That's what I got.

Pankster > thunder dumb

 

[pankrat]

Everyone outside of a biased chael sonnen , knew Andy was going to walk through Okami..

Indeed, Fitch was seen a more of a challenge for the champ, but don't you agree that's more of a testament of Anderson's superiority over his peers, in a point in time when he was coming off front kicking Belfort to hell while GSP had tapped to strikes to Matt Serra not long ago?

To take away such credit from Silva in order to downplay his competiton and performances is unfair and dishonest.

Anyways, fair enough, I didnt know the meaning of plead the 5th. And yeah, of course Thunderstruck is one if the biggest morons around

 

[ThunderStruck]

Do not doubt for even a split second, that the beautiful finishing sequence Silva applied on Nate Marquardt in a tittle fight is a better win, a superior performance, than taking Josh Koshcheck and Thiago Alves to auto-pilot / looping decisions.

Whenever your FAT ass heales up from the severe raping you've suffered in this ur own thread, don't be afraid to make the poll.

What the hell are you blabbling about. Is that an admittal that Fitch was a greater win than Okami? And now since you lost you wanna switch to another comparison? You're a loser dude, a sore loser.

now go on and make that prime Fitch vs prime Okami poll.