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[ROcknrollracing]

deadshot Juggernaut AI just added Juggercube to the APP. You might want to think about switching programs again.

 

[Deaths Head]

deadshot Juggernaut AI just added Juggercube to the APP. You might want to think about switching programs again.

Is that a program software ?

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Is that a program software ?

yep an app for iPhone and android

 

[Deaths Head]

yep an app for iPhone and android

I thought you might be talking about this forum site , bc it actually found a way to be even more annoying the adds literally go over the posts where the like and reply are then it takes a minute to go away it finally stopped was doing it all day . Now it’s just crashing every minute to 30 seconds every other 3 minutes Ha ha

 

[deadshot138]

deadshot Juggernaut AI just added Juggercube to the APP. You might want to think about switching programs again.

I didn't like juggernaut ai. I've been working out for 20 years. I know how to pick a main lift and accessories. AI is low effort anyhow.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

I didn't like juggernaut ai. I've been working out for 20 years. I know how to pick a main lift and accessories. AI is low effort anyhow.

The app lets you pick main lifts and accessories man.

 

[Baby Hanma]

There's gotta be a limit to the capacities of a training program builder app. But even if it has great capabilities, the questions still remains...

Is it really that hard to come up with your own program? Can an AI detect your own unique goals?

 

[ROcknrollracing]

There's gotta be a limit to the capacities of a training program builder app. But even if it has great capabilities, the questions still remains...

Is it really that hard to come up with your own program? Can an AI detect your own unique goals?

It is the closest thing to an actual coach. If a coach is going to tell you do such and such then why not just follow the program by what they were already going to tell you to do anyways?

 

[Baby Hanma]

It is the closest thing to an actual coach. If a coach is going to tell you do such and such then why not just follow the program by what they were already going to tell you to do anyways?

You really think athletes can work with cookie-cutter approaches?

I mean yeah, when you have a beginner who doesn't know his goals. You ask him to look up Bill Starr or Mark Rippetoe or Stronglifts 5x5 so he can train properly. But after those beginner and intermediate stages, individualities kick in. I preach the Doug Hepburn system as if it's gospel, but I make changes to what he recommends to suit me. AI wouldn't be able to figure out that compared to other lifters, I need specialized grip training because my grip is weak. And that's only one of several distinctive features about myself.

No AI can do that. Just buy a book. Educate yourself. And then let your mind come up with something instead of trusting the instincts of a modern calculator.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

You really think athletes can work with cookie-cutter approaches?

I mean yeah, when you have a beginner who doesn't know his goals. You ask him to look up Bill Starr or Mark Rippetoe or Stronglifts 5x5 so he can train properly. But after those beginner and intermediate stages, individualities kick in. I preach the Doug Hepburn system as if it's gospel, but I make changes to what he recommends to suit me. AI wouldn't be able to figure out that compared to other lifters, I need specialized grip training because my grip is weak. And that's only one of several distinctive features about myself.

No AI can do that. Just buy a book. Educate yourself. And then let your mind come up with something instead of trusting the instincts of a modern calculator.

AI is not cookie cutter that is the point to make the program your own based on the creators knowledge.

 

[deadshot138]

AI is not cookie cutter that is the point to make the program your own based on the creators knowledge.

So what is juggercube and how does it differ from the regular juggernaut AI app

 

[ROcknrollracing]

So what is juggercube and how does it differ from the regular juggernaut AI app

It is the program Chad used to total 2200. With the built in speed/recovery days it fits a high stress lifestyle or other activities outside of lifting better than the full flown powerlifting program. Also bridge blocks have been added in for between intense cycles. Juggercube is a 12 week cycle.

 

[Smato_rules]

It is the program Chad used to total 2200. With the built in speed/recovery days it fits a high stress lifestyle or other activities outside of lifting better than the full flown powerlifting program. Also bridge blocks have been added in for between intense cycles. Juggercube is a 12 week cycle.

I’m genuinely curious, what is the fascination with these overly complicated programs? Coan, Kirk, and many others have totaled higher using a much simpler program; I understand they were roided but everyone is.

 

[maximus__]

I’m genuinely curious, what is the fascination with these overly complicated programs? Coan, Kirk, and many others have totaled higher using a much simpler program; I understand they were roided but everyone is.

At that point, why wouldn't you just pay a coach to program for you ? I do. That way adjustemtns get made if needed. If you can pick the exercises anyway, it kinda defeats the purpose. You will just plug the same stuff into the AI program and avoid what you probably should actually be doing that you suck at.

AI just seems like a way for people to set and forget programming and just increase their income after the initial set up.

 

[Smato_rules]

At that point, why wouldn't you just pay a coach to program for you ? I do. That way adjustemtns get made if needed. If you can pick the exercises anyway, it kinda defeats the purpose. You will just plug the same stuff into the AI program and avoid what you probably should actually be doing that you suck at.

AI just seems like a way for people to set and forget programming and just increase their income after the initial set up.

Yeah good point. In my mind if you aren’t intuitive enough about your training to make your own adjustments you probably don’t need anything major anyways. But yeah a coach is the best way to go I’d assume.

I never get to the point of a real advanced trainee though, I usually just reset once I stall, so I don’t have any valuable input on this anyways. But I do find it fascinating to read Marty Gallaghers book that shows the training cycles of Conan, furness, Kirk, Anderson, and himself that yielded them massive totals and there is no speed work, no exercise changes, no nonsense. Conan had a bunch of assistance lifts but that really was it.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

I’m genuinely curious, what is the fascination with these overly complicated programs? Coan, Kirk, and many others have totaled higher using a much simpler program; I understand they were roided but everyone is.

They aren't complicated at all. I suggest reading their book about programming. Why aren't they complicated because all of the thinking has been done for you based on years of research of top strength athletes and coaches. Coan, Kirk and all of those old school guys relied heavily on weight gain to gain strength so a simple linear progression would work for anybody. Anybody can gorge themselves follow a simple program and make progress and claim here we have the holy grail of programming and you do not need to do anything else. Even guys like Jonnie Candito who used to dislike RPE programs have finally come around and are now putting out videos promoting the usage of auto regulation. Unless you are paid to train or have your lifestyle so in tact that it supports your lifting you will eventually need a way to auto regulate rather than just bull your way through training every time you train. Why would you not use a system that all of the variables have already been accounted for outside of the gym by experts in the field? To prove to strangers on forums that you can gut out a max lift without getting injured?

 

[maximus__]

Yeah good point. In my mind if you aren’t intuitive enough about your training to make your own adjustments you probably don’t need anything major anyways. But yeah a coach is the best way to go I’d assume.

I never get to the point of a real advanced trainee though, I usually just reset once I stall, so I don’t have any valuable input on this anyways. But I do find it fascinating to read Marty Gallaghers book that shows the training cycles of Conan, furness, Kirk, Anderson, and himself that yielded them massive totals and there is no speed work, no exercise changes, no nonsense. Conan had a bunch of assistance lifts but that really was it.

I pay a coach but that's because I am preparing for a specific event that isn't based on lifting. I can program myt own lifting if I just want to increase my 1 RMs. That's pretty easy.

I did that because I had kinda stalled out and recognised I was just getting trapped in a cycle of doing what I liked all the time.

It's the best thing I ever did. I have put on around 5 kg of bodyweight, and improved my overall strength and conditioning. My 1Rms haven't massively improved but they have become my work sets instead using different variations. I am lunging what I used to use for back squat sets or using Zerchers instead.

If I ran a specific powerlifting block for 12 or so weeks, I am sure I would absolutely destroy my old 1 RMs.

If I did an AI program, I would have just popped in the same exercises I had been doing for years and not realised that lunges were such a great exercise for me.

 

[maximus__]

They aren't complicated at all. I suggest reading their book about programming. Why aren't they complicated because all of the thinking has been done for you based on years of research of top strength athletes and coaches. Coan, Kirk and all of those old school guys relied heavily on weight gain to gain strength so a simple linear progression would work for anybody. Anybody can gorge themselves follow a simple program and make progress and claim here we have the holy grail of programming and you do not need to do anything else. Even guys like Jonnie Candito who used to dislike RPE programs have finally come around and are now putting out videos promoting the usage of auto regulation. Unless you are paid to train or have your lifestyle so in tact that it supports your lifting you will eventually need a way to auto regulate rather than just bull your way through training every time you train. Why would you not use a system that all of the variables have already been accounted for outside of the gym by experts in the field? To prove to strangers on forums that you can gut out a max lift without getting injured?

RPE based lifting has been a game changer for me. Especially on assistance work.
My main lifts usually just gradually improve almost in a linear fashion, but when I do my assistance work based off RPE it's almost magical.

Poor sleep and high stress weeks, I kinda feel like I am just ticking the box with the session, but when I am recovered or off work, I see massive rep PRs that then lead to bigger improvements on those main lifts in the coming weeks.

It feels more like a wave of progression as opposed to the step like approach of progressive overload.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

RPE based lifting has been a game changer for me. Especially on assistance work.
My main lifts usually just gradually improve almost in a linear fashion, but when I do my assistance work based off RPE it's almost magical.

Poor sleep and high stress weeks, I kinda feel like I am just ticking the box with the session, but when I am recovered or off work, I see massive rep PRs that then lead to bigger improvements on those main lifts in the coming weeks.

It feels more like a wave of progression as opposed to the step like approach of progressive overload.

Even Westside coaches recommend leaving 1-2 reps in the tank on assistance work. I would know because I am westside certified.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Progression in reality is never linear. The top strength athletes at the top of the totem pole are lucky to add 1-2% to a lift per year and these are guys on college summer break or military guys that are paid to train essentially and have as low of a stress life outside of training as is possible that train as essentially their job. Even Sheiko guys who train 6 days a week 2 sessions per day have been acclimated to that amount of volume over years of training. These guys auto regulate their training so what do you think that means for everybody else?