What happened to Ricardo Arona?

Uncommon Valor said:
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This pic?
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He's just on another 4 year surfing vacation. He'll be back.

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Renzo Machida said:
About hendo: Fixed
About Fedor: See the fight
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Hey white belt:

Rings had a different scoring criteria. Top position didn't matter if you did nothing with it.

If it was under NSAC rules were top position mattered the fight would have played out differently and both guys would have fought differently.

Under Rings criteria Fedor won. It was one of Fedor's 1st fights and he didn't even have a name yet. It wasn't a robbery.
 
Hans Gruber said:
Hey white belt:

Rings had a different scoring criteria. Top position didn't matter if you did nothing with it.

If it was under NSAC rules were top position mattered the fight would have played out differently and both guys would have fought differently.

Under Rings criteria Fedor won. It was one of his 1st fights and he didn't even have a name yet. It wasn't a robbery.
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This. I mean did Ricardo Arona best Fedor in terms of who did what? Argueably. But fact of the matter is that RINGS had a very particular judging criteria that when considered is a lot harder to make a case for Arona.


Arona would've been given the W under Unified Rules but that unfortunately for Arona wasn't the rules/criteria they were fighting under.
 
Richard Fannin said:
Very talented, and he beat a lot of big names in ADCC (never even lost a round I think), but most of his "fans" were trolls that always brought-up the Fedor fight (that he lost, look up the RINGS rules and watch the fight again)...
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He never even had a single point scored against him in ADCC, nevermind losing a round or match.

And honestly, I still absolutely don't get the RINGS comment where people say "go read the rules, Fedor obviously won under their rules"

They were a heavily grappling based organization, with the scoring being skewed towards aggressive grappling and attempts to finish.

Arona out-grappled the shit out of Fedor in that fight. Period. Thats not even up for debate.

Fedor's laughable "submission attempts" from the bottom while being mounted were day 1 JiuJitsu class shit that had ZERO chance, Arona out grappled him by a ridiculously large margin for the 2 rounds, even taking both his back and mount.... In no universe do I score that fight for Fedor, ESPECIALLY in an organization that specifically awards more points towards exactly what he got dominated by during that fight.

Add in the back story for the actual card that night and it all makes perfect sense. It was 2 rounds, and if it was tied they would have a 3rd. This event was in Japan, and local legend Tsuyoshi Kosaka had already qualified for the finals that night. So what does the Japanese organization do to the 2 non-Japanese fighters trying to advance to face TK in the final? Make them fight an extra round to tire them out.

The first 2 rounds were for Arona. Apply any grappling criteria from any grappling organization on the planet to those 2 rounds, it's 2-0 Arona. The 3rd was closer, absolutely, but there never should have even been a 3rd round.

They just forced a third to get Arona/Fedor more tired when they faced local hero Kosaka.
And then promptly followed to screw Fedor as well in the final in just 17 seconds with the infamous Cut loss.

It's funny that Fedor fans scream that RINGS was a super legit company and that they clearly were correct in scoring him beating Arona, and then turn around (literally 20 minutes later that night), blatantly screw Fedor, and then NOW it's ok to believe that organization was a suspect hybrid of grappling/wrestling. Dan Henderson went undefeated in RINGS and you should read what he has to say about them and how legit it was.
 
Renzo Machida said:
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Based on the actual judging criteria in RINGS Fedor won clearly. RINGS didn't reward take downs or positioning the way the unified rules do. Arona won the first round with the RNC attempt but after that Fedor had many more attempts to finish the fight and landed the bigger punches, while Arona only had better TD's and positioning. Under the Unified rules judging Arona would have probably won the decision, but under RINGS judging Fedor clearly won the fight.
 
He decided he'd rather be an overgrown teenager rather than realize his near limitless potential and be a MMA/Grappling legend.

It's quite sad really, and just goes to show you it takes a lot more than great genetics to go far in your endeavors.
 
Jagan Eye said:
This. I mean did Ricardo Arona best Fedor in terms of who did what? Argueably. But fact of the matter is that RINGS had a very particular judging criteria that when considered is a lot harder to make a case for Arona.


Arona would've been given the W under Unified Rules but that unfortunately for Arona wasn't the rules/criteria they were fighting under.
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Exactly.

If they were fighting under the NSAC criteria:

-Fedor would have gotten on top of Arona in the 2nd round instead of letting him up (to score top position points)

-Fedor would not have went for that choke near the end of round 1 which caused him to end up on his back.

-Fedor would not have went for the heal hook and gave up position immediately after getting on top in the 2nd.

Anyway, Fedor did the most damage in the standup and won based on Rings criteria (in which top control meant nothing)

They knew the criteria that they were fighting under.


Also under NSAC rules Arona would have been given Round 1 and Fedor would have been given Round 2. It would have been even going into the 3rd. Fedor clearly won Round 3 even under NSAC scoring criteria. (Even though it wasn't under NSAC rules or fought like it was under NSAC rules)
 
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I heard he was training with Heath Herring.
 
Whatever he is doing, the guy keeps himself in amazing shape.
 
Flexwave2003 said:
Arona was likely wise in the long run to have stepped aside while many other Pride stars came to North America. Fighting in Japan is different than fighting in North America for a few reasons...
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He likes juice to stay healthy. :redface:
 
Hans Gruber said:
Exactly. If they were fighting under the NSAC criteria Fedor would have gotten on top of Arona in the 2nd round instead of letting him up (to score top position points) He also would not have went for that choke near the end of round 1 which caused him to end up on his back.

Fedor did the most damage in the standup and won based on Rings criteria (in which top control meant nothing)

They knew the criteria that they were fighting under.
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Dude, if this was under NSAC there wouldn't have even been a 2nd round.
As Fedor was too busy getting owned for all of round 1 having his back taken and Arona taking full mount like it was his lunch money.

The best grapplers in the world haven't scored a combined single point against Ricardo Arona.
Any semi-legitimate grappling rule-set would have Fedor losing by 10+ points in an absolute landslide.

Just look at the back story for this card. Literally everyone (including Fedor) got blatantly screwed that night in order to have Tsuyoshi Kosaka win at home in Japan. I'm not sure why people try to vehemently defend something like that, it happened, whatever.
 
Jagan Eye said:
This. I mean did Ricardo Arona best Fedor in terms of who did what? Argueably. But fact of the matter is that RINGS had a very particular judging criteria that when considered is a lot harder to make a case for Arona.


Arona would've been given the W under Unified Rules but that unfortunately for Arona wasn't the rules/criteria they were fighting under.
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He also would have gotten his head pounded into the mat under PRIDE rules.
 
Lol, with 13 years since that moment, Arona vs Fedor decision being discussed.... It has to be among GOAT controversial decisions along with Bas vs Kevin.
 
groo said:
He also would have gotten his head pounded into the mat under PRIDE rules.
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Sorry, when he had Fedor in full mount? Or had his back?
Was that when Fedor would be pounding his head into the mat with Pride rules?
I was under the impression that Fedor never used stomps and soccer kicks in his whole career, meanwhile Ricardo Arona was almost legally charged for murder for using those against Sakuraba.

Usually the people getting their head pounded into the mat are on the bottom. That fight started, and Fedor was defending a takedown 2 seconds into the fight, and cleanly on his back at 5 seconds. Any fight between them would start the exact same way, regardless of organization.
 
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