What can be done to rival UFC?

Dumb thread still going. Be a KSW. Be an Oktagon. Get big in your own area/country/continent. Be happy with the results. That’s the best any promotion can hope for.

Rizin for example in 2015 basically all the way up to the pandemic for the most part were using the old Pride formula and they produced at least 2 champs in Prochazka and Nemkov, then for some reason they begin catering exclusively to anyone under 170lbs and rotate the same fighters every other event, this again is most likely due to the fans this time in Japan wanting gimmicky BS instead of a serious promotion sad stuff.
RIZIN as it stands is now more stable than when they were on FujinTV. Hell, they’re arguably more stable now than Pride was. RIZIN is focused on what works for RIZIN in Japan.
 
3 of the ones he mentioned are still active (ACA, PFL and ONE) and 2 still do GPs and tournaments (ACA and PFL) and both of those have plenty of good fighters. You can even make a case that ACA has the best MW and PFL has the best WW in the world and who both won their respective division GPs recently.
They do tournaments not GPs.

GP finals have 2 fights in 1 night.
 
Dumb thread still going. Be a KSW. Be an Oktagon. Get big in your own area/country/continent. Be happy with the results. That’s the best any promotion can hope for.


RIZIN as it stands is now more stable than when they were on FujinTV. Hell, they’re arguably more stable now than Pride was. RIZIN is focused on what works for RIZIN in Japan.

Defeatist to the letter lol
 
Dumb thread still going. Be a KSW. Be an Oktagon. Get big in your own area/country/continent. Be happy with the results. That’s the best any promotion can hope for.


RIZIN as it stands is now more stable than when they were on FujinTV. Hell, they’re arguably more stable now than Pride was. RIZIN is focused on what works for RIZIN in Japan.
Not wrong. But you forgot the part of money laudering.
 
Dumb thread still going. Be a KSW. Be an Oktagon. Get big in your own area/country/continent. Be happy with the results. That’s the best any promotion can hope for.


RIZIN as it stands is now more stable than when they were on FujinTV. Hell, they’re arguably more stable now than Pride was. RIZIN is focused on what works for RIZIN in Japan.
That's true and you go on and on about how stable they are but that's just mediocrity, sure there more stable than Pride the difference is that Rizin will never move past being where they are now there's no chance to grow or get bigger, at least Pride was number 1 for 10 years Rizin will never achieve that status.
 
Pragmatic.

Show proof or STFU. So tired of money laundering thrown at every promotion with not one single shred of proof!
I won't show any proof at all. My comment was only a subtle joke.

Anyway, I would like to express my opinion on this matter.

There are tons of proof of money laundering schemes being shown in soccer/football.
So to simplify, if there are money laundering schemes in soccer, why would it won't be money laundering schemes in combat sport ?

It would be naive to think that money laundering is not common. I never said that all these MMA organization are linked to money laundering or others form of organized crime, not at all, no. But that they could be ? Yes, and that you can never be so sure of it.

Football or what you americans call soccer is actually the number one sport for money laundering operations, since it's the biggest sport on earth. There are more than a dozen of ways to make illegal money appear legitimate by the use of sports, the stereotype of combat sport being plagued by crooks, mafias, and criminals are indeed false, since the phenomen include all types of sports, not just combat sport.

An MMA organization needs money, money come from investors, who are operating from shell companies, and offshore accounts located often in countries that often do not cooperate with most law enforcements to enable a serious investigation. Even though if no logs, banking secrecy, and bulletproof hosting are a bit more a myth than a reality because of back doors and insiders.

All MMA events are by design if for profit high cash flow, PPV, sponsors, tickets from crowds, sponsorships, fighters pays, and broadcasting TV rights. Add to this the logistic chain, etc.

All MMA organizations are borderless or operate in multiple countries, despite not being metanational corporation. Globalization enable in a daily basis international movement of money that are hard to trace despite modern technology.

My point is this, I won't discuss money laundering schemes or their blue prints in details.
Just that I believe that at least 33%, a third of the whole cake has directly or indirectly ties to money laundering, a third of the cake of modern MMA.

If you are not a giant like the UFC, you know you would be in despair for any cashflow, regardless of the source or the person, you will be willing to turn a blind eye for petty cash, because it could keep you afloat or allow you to develop, in fact for small/medium organization, you're doing well not when you are profitable in the green but when you are not in the red.

Beggars cannot be choosers, for a small organization there is just no difference between an investor or a shady investor because in the end money is money.

Money laudering with sport is not hot at all. The risk is low, unless you are tied to an enemy of the west, like North Korea and Iran or now Russia. Supporting these countries by money laundering can get you into trouble.

Money laundering supports the economy of MMA and MMA is itself an economy and many are lusting over it.

Whether money laundering exists or not, in X or Y MMA organization is not important at all. Maybe even meaningless because there are so many ways to money launder without sports, second who said it's bad ?

Besides, itt's doubly beneficial to the sport, it's a whip on the horse back, I never understood the people who complained about combat sport having ties to mafia and gamblers, money is the fuel and the blood of the sport, the more there is the better.

More money, more events, more bouts. I will never complain about something like that. In fact I would not like to talk about these things at all, especially here.

Thank you for your time.
 
That's true and you go on and on about how stable they are but that's just mediocrity, sure there more stable than Pride the difference is that Rizin will never move past being where they are now there's no chance to grow or get bigger, at least Pride was number 1 for 10 years Rizin will never achieve that status.
Rizin Ceo had an official meeting with Dana White.

He admitted in the open that he doesn't have the ambition to be world class and compete with the UFC at all. He just wants to give opportunities to japanese people and develop/contribute to japanese MMA while making good money at the same time.

Even more, he said that being a feeder to the UFC or others bigger leagues do not bother him at all. Can't blame him, he is winning out of this, japanese people are winning out of this, japanese fighters are giving opportunities to make a living in japan, he is benefiting his country and his economy and provdiing entertainment.

Rizin is maybe not the most ambitious, but defintely not the most delusional like GFL.
 
Rizin Ceo had an official meeting with Dana White.

He admitted in the open that he doesn't have the ambition to be world class and compete with the UFC at all. He just wants to give opportunities to japanese people and develop/contribute to japanese MMA while making good money at the same time.

Even more, he said that being a feeder to the UFC or others bigger leagues do not bother him at all. Can't blame him, he is winning out of this, japanese people are winning out of this, japanese fighters are giving opportunities to make a living in japan, he is benefiting his country and his economy and provdiing entertainment.

Rizin is maybe not the most ambitious, but defintely not the most delusional like GFL.
I personally find that pathetic why bother if all you're gonna do is exist to support UFC pretty lame, I already understood the reasons you mentioned and I don't agree at all. UFC has ruined mma and turned it into entertainment instead of what it was originally meant to be, you have people in UFC which is supposed to be the highest level with blue belts in jiu jitsu lol this is allowed because the emphasis is on boxing and MT, that's also why there's no champions that are grapplers because there's been a purge in recent years so to not upset the new fan base which just wants non-stop action and stand up wars. That's emphasis has become about entertainment for the masses and the real long time fans have been alienated, this is what happened when anything goes mainstream it gets destroyed, I very rarely tune into UFC even when the events are for free that's how much I'm not interested in their product, way too large of a roster with forgettable names a stupid soap opera like atmosphere to keep the mouth breather fan base attention no thank you.
 
I personally find that pathetic why bother if all you're gonna do is exist to support UFC pretty lame, I already understood the reasons you mentioned and I don't agree at all.
They already explained why they bother.

He just wants to give opportunities to japanese people and develop/contribute to japanese MMA while making good money at the same time.

I don't see what's pathetic about that. We all have goals in life. It's easy to talk mess about his plan but maybe he doesn't even have the money to do it and doesn't want to put himself into debt just to try.
 
They already explained why they bother.

He just wants to give opportunities to japanese people and develop/contribute to japanese MMA while making good money at the same time.

I don't see what's pathetic about that. We all have goals in life. It's easy to talk mess about his plan but maybe he doesn't even have the money to do it and doesn't want to put himself into debt just to try.
Wait a second they pulled off incredible events between 2015 and 2019 and produced some huge stars, there's no question they could do it and become number 1 again but like you say if they want to be mediocre so be it, I lost interest ever since the pandemic with Rizin anyways.
 
Wait a second they pulled off incredible events between 2015 and 2019 and produced some huge stars, there's no question they could do it and become number 1 again but like you say if they want to be mediocre so be it, I lost interest ever since the pandemic with Rizin anyways.

Maybe they could do it, they could also fail and be shutdown and everyone out of a job. This guy has decided to just have a nice comfy life doing what he loves.
 
The UFC is going to be on top and there isn't much anybody is going to do. What I hope is that we at least get something like what Strikeforce was. Fun exciting fights. Their live shows were great to go to. I also really hope that the Next TV contract the UFC signs isn't guaranteed revenue. That would force them to at least stack the ppv's more.
 
Maybe they could do it, they could also fail and be shutdown and everyone out of a job. This guy has decided to just have a nice comfy life doing what he loves.
I'll never understand why TF fans like yourself care about all the background stuff like people's jobs and how much money is being made, I never watched or paid attention to NHB/MMA for that BS could care less about what's good business practice, organizations that go under do so because the fan base are pathetic and got marketed to simple as that, UFC is a terrible product it's theatre more than fighting and I don't GAF how good their business practices are I only was ever interested for the intriguing match-ups and skill levels, now they have substituted shit talk, oversaturated events/rosters over those things I mentioned.
 
I'll never understand why TF fans like yourself care about all the background stuff like people's jobs and how much money is being made, I never watched or paid attention to NHB/MMA for that BS could care less about what's good business practice, organizations that go under do so because the fan base are pathetic and got marketed to simple as that, UFC is a terrible product it's theatre more than fighting and I don't GAF how good their business practices are I only was ever interested for the intriguing match-ups and skill levels, now they have substituted shit talk, oversaturated events/rosters over those things I mentioned.

I don't really care but you called the guy pathetic which I just don't see a reason for that. The guy wanted to create a small MMA business. There's nothing wrong with that. It's like starting a small computer repair business in your area and your neighbor calling you pathetic because you don't want to take on Geek Squad and try to be the #1 PC repair business in the country.

I think the UFC is fine but I get it. Since I've been on this site there's always been people like you. Unfortunately not everything can be for everybody.
 
No-one really have the wish that the UFC has a 99% monopoly of the MMA market expect them.

A total monopoly would signifty absolute power, and absolute power will only lead to abuse. That is why we support alternatives, like PFL, One, ACA, and medium one like KSW and Rizin.

Like Leto said, if you want to rival the UFC, PFL or the dead Bellator model are not a safe road. Find a local audience, become a KSW, a Rizin, an Octogon, that would be a nice place to start.

It's not even about being a rival to the UFC, it's all about surviving when you are new and building a stable base.

The worst mistake is to sign in the UFC fight pass, pondering them, bowing to them. That is for sure a receipe to disaster. ADCC left the UFC fight pass for a reason. It's not even that great in term of quality and is full of limitations.

All organizations are claiming to be stable even if they are not, and if they are not profitable they will claim that they will be profitable soon. There is no transparency, everyone is basically lying about his financial situation for his better good.

Only ACA and KSW are somehow stable. PFL and One are struggling but managed to save faces left and right. ACA is backed up by a nation indirectly. Same things with KSW. They are national product or supported by local country. KSW is broadcasted by Polsat for instance, and ACA is sponsored by russian corporations.

You've got to be backed up by a nationalist nation and corporations to thrive as a regional organization.

What no-one talk about is how politics make a mess, ACA was under sanction by the US due to ties with Kadyrov, ACA youtube channel for example was deleted. They had to create a new one.

It's really a complex world, but if you want to compete in the UFC, you've got to be from the west. Because of sanctions, an iranian, north korean or russian promotion will always be at a disadvantage against western competitors.

Who is going to win from this cold war between organization ? The clear winner are the share holders.

Tons of people are complaining about the evil monopoly of the UFC, they want a miracle, they want a savior.
I'm not naive enough to believe such things. And even if there were let's say a savior.

An organization smarter than Bellator, wiser than PFL, more ruthless than One, luckier, sharper, stronger, richer, better.

If there was an MMA organization like that, let's call it X who become a serious competitor to the UFC, in the end it won't matter at all.

An MMA organization is first a corporation, let's talk about food, sodas, chocolates, technology, cars, laptops, etc. Some corporations could be rivals, or opponents/competitors to each others with each a different CEO, but could have the same shareholders.

With a simple example :

Corporation A and Corporation B, they appear to be rivals, competitors to each others, or even enemies, but what if I tell you that they are owned by the same shareholders. The same things will go on with MMA itself.

Whoever come on top do not matter to the shareholders, they are winning in both case whoever come on top, or if Corporation A is equally matched with corporation B they are miling the two cows.

Who owns the UFC ? Dana ? Dana White does not even own 10 % of it.

Many critics are talking about the lack of traditions, honor, and values in modern combat sport. Forget about these things they simply do not exist. It's about two things, entertainment and money. Combat sport is ruled by greed.

All what I'm trying to say is, some people want alternatives, they want a savior. The "savior" the MMA organization that is suppose to save them is first before being an organization a corporation. And a corporation is not ethical, but directed by profit, and profit only.

This is not my opinion, I talked with an insider about this. "If BlackRock and Vanguard are not owning you, you are nothing".

Just take a look at TKO before and after merging with WWE. (WWE is fake, it's shitty but the same is happening to MMA) Look --> Here

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There is no hope. If there was a potential rival to the UFC, let's call it X Corporation, it will be quickly given an offer that it cannot turn down, and be owned by greedy people. That's how the world functions.

A lot of people I discussed this issue called me a delusional, and whoever is reading this and is thinking that I'm bullshitting, you are simply not educated enough on this matter to understand it.

Just watch this video, it's a big long but worth the squeeze. It's explained all about shareholders being the same of rivals corporations. Please watch this, and thank me later.

LINK --> Here. "The truth will set you free"

Who are the shareholders of the UFC ? Who are the shareholders of PFL ? Who are the shareholders of ONE ? They are not the same, right now, but if they become serious rivals to the UFC they will end up with the same shareholders.

Those same shareholders will be the puppet masters of the MMA game.

Right now there is no such a thing as an "UFC Killer".

ACA is more Russia focused than international.
GFL is a joke.
PFL is making a lot of bad moves on the chess board.

One is profitable in Thailand, but not in Asia. They are very good at raising investors and they are keeping doing it without any problems.
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No-one will save us from greed.

If an organization ever came to rival the UFC, it will end up like it. Is ONE an example for treating it's fighter better than the UFC ? Not really. The promotion of values, ethics, honor, respect, it's all a marketing bullshit.

Nothing matter, I'm not complaining or anything. No-one will be able to draw conclusion without being on the inside, it's a very misty world, like the british are saying, "follow the money".
 
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I'll never understand why TF fans like yourself care about all the background stuff like people's jobs and how much money is being made, I never watched or paid attention to NHB/MMA for that BS could care less about what's good business practice, organizations that go under do so because the fan base are pathetic and got marketed to simple as that, UFC is a terrible product it's theatre more than fighting and I don't GAF how good their business practices are I only was ever interested for the intriguing match-ups and skill levels, now they have substituted shit talk, oversaturated events/rosters over those things I mentioned.
Then don't watch nthe sport and STFU
 
I don't really care but you called the guy pathetic which I just don't see a reason for that. The guy wanted to create a small MMA business. There's nothing wrong with that. It's like starting a small computer repair business in your area and your neighbor calling you pathetic because you don't want to take on Geek Squad and try to be the #1 PC repair business in the country.

I think the UFC is fine but I get it. Since I've been on this site there's always been people like you. Unfortunately not everything can be for everybody.
Correction I never called Sakikabara pathetic I was referring to the direction they've been going for the last 5 years and stand by it.
 
Then don't watch nthe sport and STFU
Hey retard I already said I don't watch UFC but do watch the sport but I guess criticizing the precious UFC in your mind is hating on the sport, thanks for proving my point about how dipshits like yourself see the whole sport as UFC and you can STFU likewise as this is a forum.
 
Hey retard I already said I don't watch UFC but do watch the sport but I guess criticizing the precious UFC in your mind is hating on the sport, thanks for proving my point about how dipshits like yourself see the whole sport as UFC and you can STFU likewise as this is a forum.
Doing nothing but complaining on the sport and trashing it is retarded. Everything you've posted in this thread is retarded.
 
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