Warhammer 40k

[Halge]

Re: 3d printing that we've talked about earlier in the thread (see post #1448 and onward)- don't know if anyone's particularly interested, but I've fiddled with drawing and printing some more and figured I'd post an update.

As expected, the early stuff didn't translate well into print. I bought myself a cheap 3d printer (a Da Vinci Nano), the specifics of which would deserve a lengthy post of its own. But I don't blame the printer for the failure of the prints in this case. Heck, I quite like the printer so far.

Anyway, here's a comparison of early models-to-printouts:



I'd say the models are pretty much unusable. Part of it is the printer having trouble printing small details to 28mm scale, or even larger scales. But mainly it is the lack of solid objects in the model files. When the printing software tries to convert the modeling files to print files, it ends up getting confused, leaving out entire parts of the model etc. Like the dog's legs for example,which are supposed to be significantly thicker. Can't really see any way of reparing (most of) the models either, short of remaking them from scratch.

Since I figured out what the problem was, I've been making some progress. I haven't had time to take on any major projects lately, plus I needed to simplify the models in order to properly train myself on keeping objects solid. So I dialed back the difficulty level of the models, and made some simpler stuff. See next post (coming in a few minutes, because I can only upload 10 files per post).

 

[Halge]

Following up on post #1541:

First thing I tried drawing was a simple vehicle. It started out as basically just four circles and a square, representing four wheels and a chassis. The idea being to try out making a model out of solid objects. Once I figured that part out, the model gradually snowballed into a hobbit war rig. Composition et cetera isn't anything to write home about obviously, seeing as I've been more or less making stuff up as I was going along without any premade plan. And the driver/gunner/coma-doof harper are basically placeholders until I can be bothered to make proper humanoid models. I've only printed a very early draft of the war rig, since it takes horrendous amounts of time and filament to print. But at least one can tell that there are no issues with converting the file to print. Everything's much cleaner and in accordance with the .skp model:



Next thing I did was a hay golem. Very simple, basically just a bunch of squares placed together to form a humanoid shape. Only took 5-ish hours to draw, half of which went into the cat. The model ended up taking time making ready for print though, since I ran into trouble unifying the various objects into one. Turns out the hay bales, having a complicated surface, takes a lot of processing power to handle. Once I had unified about 90 percent of the objects, the resulting object became impossible for my computer to handle- trying to unify it with the remaining 10 percent of objects made my computer stall and Sketchup to crash. Had to separate the model into smaller segments instead (separate arms, legs, head et cetera) in order for the model to be manageable.
Not very happy with the result- the model may have been very simple to draw, but it is also very ugly. Didn't help that I still haven't figured out if there's a way to preset the various objects to the same scale. Printing the various parts of the golem I had to use the measuring grid in the printing software, and my measurements ended up a bit off from object to object. I think I've printed the legs to a smaller scale than the body they are attached to, for example. But whatever, it was basically a throwaway project anyway.


In summary I still haven't made anything that actually looks good on the tabletop yet, but at least I feel like I've made most of the groundwork as far as trial and error goes.

 

[JBSchroeds]

@Halge I think you're being a bit hard on the Golem. I quite like it. I also think your wagon turned out great. For a beginning modeller it is a very characterful piece.

What slicer software are you using? Some are better than others for dealing with incomplete objects. I also noticed you're getting a lot of stringing in some of those prints. I assume you're printing with PLA? Try reducing your print temps (depending on filament brand/color or your particular temp sensor you could potentially go as low as 180dC), reduce print speed (I printed my outlines at 23mm/s for my titan, some slicers have a default speed of twice that), and make sure retraction is enabled.

 

[xenomorph4prez]

https://bloody-disgusting.com/tv/35...small-screen-live-action-tv-series-eisenhorn/

 

[ssBaldy]

https://bloody-disgusting.com/tv/35...small-screen-live-action-tv-series-eisenhorn/

Your post is not getting attention it deserves.
A fucking EISENHORN series from a decent showrunner!

 

[thoughtsone]

Your post is not getting attention it deserves.
A fucking EISENHORN series from a decent showrunner!

Not getting my hopes up because I dont wanna be disappoint.

 

[JBSchroeds]

Your post is not getting attention it deserves.
A fucking EISENHORN series from a decent showrunner!

But no broadcast method that I could see. How are they going to foot the bill for the budget for something like this? A quality 40k series wouldn't be cheep.

 

[xenomorph4prez]

Thoughts on casting for Gregor Eisenhorn?

My first thoughts were

John Hamm or Thomas Jane

 

[JBSchroeds]

Thoughts on casting for Gregor Eisenhorn?

My first thoughts were

John Hamm or Thomas Jane

My first thought was Karl Urban, but I think Jane would be a great choice as well.

 

[Rozko]

Thoughts on casting for Gregor Eisenhorn?

My first thoughts were

John Hamm or Thomas Jane

I think Mark Strong would be able to shift from regal aristocrat to menacing excellently

 

[JBSchroeds]

Oh man, I just found a file set for a Lucius Pattern Warhound. It's significantly smaller and less complex than the warlord so I'd guess I could probably get one printed and assembled in less than a month. Hmmmm, I might have to do that and put the Warlord on the back burner for now. The issue I'm having with the Warlord is that if I want a passable paintjob for it I cannot proceed any further than I have with assembly. And to do that paintjob I really need an airbrush, which I've never used and currently don't own. Starting with something that's less of a time/money investment like a Warhound might be a good idea.

 

[Rozko]

Oh man, I just found a file set for a Lucius Pattern Warhound. It's significantly smaller and less complex than the warlord so I'd guess I could probably get one printed and assembled in less than a month. Hmmmm, I might have to do that and put the Warlord on the back burner for now. The issue I'm having with the Warlord is that if I want a passable paintjob for it I cannot proceed any further than I have with assembly. And to do that paintjob I really need an airbrush, which I've never used and currently don't own. Starting with something that's less of a time/money investment like a Warhound might be a good idea.

Start the print and get the airbrush?

 

[Dan O]

https://bloody-disgusting.com/tv/35...small-screen-live-action-tv-series-eisenhorn/

This can’t be real. This was engineered just to drive some of us over the edge.

 

[Dan O]

I think Mark Strong would be able to shift from regal aristocrat to menacing excellently

Mark strong is an excellent choice. Underrated and he’s good at playing the “is he good or is he evil” kind of character.

I’m a big fan of Anson Mount for that kind of role as well. If you’ve never watched Hell on Wheels, you’re missing out.

 

[Dan O]

I think Mark Strong would be able to shift from regal aristocrat to menacing excellently

Mark strong is an excellent choice. Underrated and he’s good at playing the “is he good or is he evil” kind of character.

I’m a big fan of Anson Mount for that kind of role as well. If you’ve never watched Hell on Wheels, you’re missing out.

 

[Halge]

@Halge I think you're being a bit hard on the Golem. I quite like it. I also think your wagon turned out great. For a beginning modeller it is a very characterful piece.

What slicer software are you using? Some are better than others for dealing with incomplete objects. I also noticed you're getting a lot of stringing in some of those prints. I assume you're printing with PLA? Try reducing your print temps (depending on filament brand/color or your particular temp sensor you could potentially go as low as 180dC), reduce print speed (I printed my outlines at 23mm/s for my titan, some slicers have a default speed of twice that), and make sure retraction is enabled.

Thank you for the kind words. I have the benefit of seeing the golem model irl though, and while the basic idea might work, it definitely needs some tweaking. The wagon is coming off better, but I still think I could do a lot better with proper pre-planning. It's been a great learning experience though. I'm not a big fan of vehicles in general, especially not fantasy-themed ones. So I have a hard time coming up with any cool concepts for them. Funny though how you can basically make a (slightly) more striking and thematically coherent model by basically just rearranging existing assets. See extremely rough draft below.

Made another infantry model. If I ever finish the rolling tower above, I'll probably stick this one at the top. Starting to get the hang of the 3d-printer limitations. This one looks decent all the way down to 28mm scale, though at that point the printer is definitely straining to render the details.

Started on a hydra-themed warrior. Slightly (or not so slightly) inspired by various Frank Frazetta paintings. Gonna be riding a giant serpent, wielding two multi-headed flails, while the serpent is crushing a pillar or monolith in its coils. Gonna be awesome, once I finish it ten years from now. The detail-rendering limitations of the printer is going to be a huge problem, obviously. Though since I'm not a complete idiot, I've also saved a less detailed version of the helm (I.e one without the scales added to the surface).


Slicer software: So far I've just used the software that came with the printer, in other words XYZs own slicer software. Think it's called simply XYZ Print. I've had some issues with it, but I wouldn't be surprised if you are forced to use it with the Da Vinci Nano. XYZ forces you to use their own brand of filament, so why not the software as well? I don't know if this is the case though. Haven't really had the time or energy to experiment with different software, or even the slicing settings for that matter (I pretty much just select the preset "standard" settings and click Print).
I'll probably be getting into that stuff real soon though.

Sorry for the late reply. I have a tendency to procrastinate any post that takes more than 30 seconds to compose.

 

[whougonnacall]

Awesome latest horus heresy book lost and damned dropped...spoilers obviously
-horus and fleet begin bombardment of terra , main palace protected by dark age self repairing shield and horus has explained they cant simply exterminus the rest of terra its too important for any future empire

-dorn has conscrpted every human that can hold a lasgun and intends to stall horus , has worked out horus not properly securing territory or trying to finish ultramar etc indicates hes in a rush before guilliman and co kerb stomp him from behind so its a race for time , dorn intends on using massed human conscripts as inital first line of defence to save on astartes

-malcador opens up to all primarchs gathered there about the inital need for not telling them about chaos , the webway project and its xenos orgins , the planned goal even that vulkan lives and is on terra protecting a failsafe device (terminus decree) obviously dorn etc are taken aback...malcador basicaly finaly admits mistakes were made

- abbadon is sickened by the state of the traitor primarchs and forces even horus who now spends most of his time seemingly out cold ,laylak (word bearer) explains to him this is him hes playing a more important role to the siege in the warp

-we see horus in a twisted version of a memory ...his first trip to terra after emps found him, hes with 4 obvious chaos god representations . The 4 back off when big e confronts them all as it flips back and forth between false memory and what actualy occured
Later revealed this is important part of breaking emps spirit /playing with his head ....basicaly seems the big 4 are conor mcgregoring the emps!!!!

-with horus 'busy' in the warp abbadon has to step up and reign in the traitor primarchs but it goes horribly as they dont respect a mere astartes
They have holo conference where fulgrim wont stop trolling angron , magnus totaly disracted and uncoperative ( hes doing his own thing) ,angron basicaly ferral and perty is angry and pissy at being assigned shitty job (story of his legions life) of rapidly fortifying solar area behind themso guilliman doesnt take them by suprise and merc em ...hes esp angry given his desire to break the palace walls and awnsers dorns past comments

-horus wakes up and arrives at the bad guy meeting and orders that abbadon will now be speaking for him anytime hes out from now on , laylak ( word bearer ) explains to abbadon that the chaos gods can now impose their will on the demon primarchs and force compliance to horus orders ! Horus points to a weak point in loyalist super shield he means to exploit
Angron wants to simply attack right away but magnus points to 2nd psyker block on terra from emps himself that could perma kill any demon or demon primarch so much as setting foot in its zone.....but that emps is weakening daily so blood ritual (as always) using human population centres could weaken him further to break all shields

-massive landing of traitors , mutants and beastmen etc start enormous battle on land and air which traitor weight of numbers slowly starts to break down anti air and void cannons but loyalists hold
As usual generator targetted by 2 regular human alpha legion infiltrators already within ranks of good guys

-Perty and horus have talk where old horus massages perturabos ego thats he needs him ,other primarchs are like kids etc . Perty is calmed by this flatttery but is secretly building warp lore knowledge up to maybe surpass horus
Motarion finaly arrives and his now super demon powered presence kills many serfs and even astartes
Abbadon and others unaffected by it and deeply concerned whens hes told that this is due to warp gods favouring him
Horus after calming traitor primarchs down riles them up again with statement that morty and death guard will be first astartes on terra as hes sworn it previously !

-angron goes on hulk rampage on hearing this in world eaters flagship. His badass human fleet commander lorta sarran is still barely alive and has been in contact with other chaos fleets. Shes tried to keep angron out of ship perching on it like some giant gargoyle but now hes set to destroy it and she realizes action must be taken

-she speaks to kharn and a night lord about getting him with teleport homer into the maze kurze built for vulkan to at least contain his crazy ass for now
Kharn volunteers to plant device but angron becomes lucid enough to say he knows kharn wiill become khornes favourite someday so hel take his head first , understandabley he easily almost kills the comicaly oumatched kharn before teleport homer is planted for instant beam out placing old angron trapped in the maze

-weeks drag on and dark mechanicus beach ark mechanicus ships whos void shields provide cover for siege engine deployment and whos cargo holds are filled with millions of traitor human wave forces
The death guard are first traitor astartes on terra (horus is a demi god of his word) and begin to badly pollute and kill defenders , at one point the khan and sanguinius are forced to plough through them to save isolated forces
The khan takes a demonicaly posioned wound killing death guard by the dozen which heals instantly once back in the emps psychic shield zone

-angrons humiliation is added to when spat out of nigh lords ship
Dark mechanicus finish warp based cannons and with nurgle towers begin hitting terra palace shields ... the 2 alpha legion human infiltrators finaly set off explosives which bring shield down
at same time angron crashes to earth and begins rampage
Main pov human witnesses the infiltrators but lives due to shitstorm thats ocuring all around them

- blood angels , titans and fists rally counter offensive to allow human forces to flee inside gate as dorn is persuaded not to stick to original plan of using human forces as meat shield to save on astartes

-titans wreck nurgles towers and humans get inside
Angron spies sanguinius and bellows a challenge .....sangy though is safe behind emps psychic barrier so angron stops , sangy though salutes him and says theyl battle soon but today isnt that day (get hype!!!!!!!)

-main pov human is injured and speaks to imp fist and apologises for their weakness and being burden to astartes , imp fist is called thane ( lotta buzz on websites here as thats character from beast arises....but Cant be as hed be like 2k old) thane rejects this apology as they are all in the fight together etc

- as hes been taken away by medics the main pov human spies the alpha legion human infiltrator from earlier in crowd (who brought down shields) and begins yelling but is sedated by medics before he can reveal him....dun dun dun

- horus back to warp and laylak reveals to abbadon that the gods will burn up and use horus to break the emperor , abbadon is pissed and asks what thetl do after that and is told another champion will be found to fill horus role!



Side note
- night lords trilogy fans pleased as raptor captain from books is there and his raptors are some of first ever traitor astartes on the walls just as he bragged
-another night lord loses sword fight and is promised by demon sword hel be saved from death and restored with new power but must endure 6x666 years torture in the warp first .....he takes the deal
-sanguinius learns from mechanicus that horus collapsed on beta garmon ....may come up later books

 

[JBSchroeds]

I got two new spools of PLA to try out and started prepping the Warhound fileset for printing...and the files SUCK. I'm supper bummed. They're bad enough that I refuse to use them. Flat surfaces aren't flat, things aren't centered or symetrical that are supposed to be, origin locations are all over the place making easy splitting impossible without going in and resetting the location manually, and multiple files have significant mesh errors. One of the things creators will sometimes do is include both one-piece assemblies and component pieces so you can either print one large piece or multiple small pieces and assemble them. But whoever did the assembly did a garbage job and their export settings didn't match the original pieces so the mesh was all kinds of fucked up. One of the corrupt meshes was a simple joint that I decided I'd just extract some of the geometry info and redo it myself...but no, the damn thing was a shit-show. Non-concentric circles galore.

I know this was something posted for free, but I was really looking forward to this and it's crap. Looks like I'm going to have to order the Adeptis Titanicus Titan Battlegroup set and reverse engineer things from there. I'll be able to make my own filesets for both the Warhound and Reaver that way. But that'll take a lot of time and effort so I may just say "fuck it" and order the airbrush. I've got a bunch of printed Rhino transports I can use as test pieces (they're like $3 a pop to print).

 

[JBSchroeds]

Slicer software: So far I've just used the software that came with the printer, in other words XYZs own slicer software. Think it's called simply XYZ Print. I've had some issues with it, but I wouldn't be surprised if you are forced to use it with the Da Vinci Nano. XYZ forces you to use their own brand of filament, so why not the software as well? I don't know if this is the case though. Haven't really had the time or energy to experiment with different software, or even the slicing settings for that matter (I pretty much just select the preset "standard" settings and click Print).
I'll probably be getting into that stuff real soon though.

Ah, closed ecosystems kinda suck. I did a basic search and it seems like you can get some other software to work but it might be more trouble than its worth. I'd assume they've got their standard settings fairly well dialed in, but you might want to see if there is any calibrating you need to do. For example, on my printer when I get a new spool I measure the diameter of the filament and put that in my slicer profile (I use Simplify 3D, it's not free but the slicer is super fast and it's more stable than other software I used so it's been well worth the money) and then I print a single-walled test cube at 100% extrusion ratio. I average the four sides' thickness, compare that to the expected thickness, and adjust the extrusion ratio accordingly.

 

[whougonnacall]

Orderly well managed bump for ultramar

 

[JBSchroeds]

More Nu-Marines. The primaris-ization of old character continues. A couple pictures from the article [LINK].