War Room Lounge v64

[Higus]

@waiguoren
The Gaped Crusader said: ↑
Which is of course not what I said, and I thought that ad was a funny way of showing what was at the time acceptable under "traditional" values of the time.

Then Your Narrow Ass Said>>>
You implied that type of behavior was acceptable most of the time. I think that's way off, and I think modern media representations have distorted many people's views of the values of that era.

The Gaped Crusader said: ↑​

That's your erroneous inference, your inability to parse social cues is not my problem.

The Gaped Crusader said: ↑
Simply put, a lot of times when men talk about a return to traditional values, it's a tradition of women being subservient and obedient to their men. Many men are intimidated by strong women.

Then Your Narrow Ass Said>>>
Women should follow their respective mens' leads, assuming their men are on the right path. There is no such thing as a "strong woman", only weak men.

The Gaped Crusader said: ↑​

Little boy I'd bend you over my knee and harvest your tears while I laughed.

Then Your Narrow Ass Said>>>There is a lot of propaganda out there trying to convince people otherwise, and I fear you might have fallen prey to it.

The Gaped Crusader said: ↑​

Sorry, you are unlikely to have the hardware to ride this ride from my experience.

Huh. I've never seen the quote function do that before.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Is this a book you read? do you recommend this?

Yes, probably nothing I've read in the past couple of years has changed my thinking more (last one comparable was "The Rise and Fall of American Growth").

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Yes, probably nothing I've read in the past couple of years has changed my thinking more (last one comparable was "The Rise and Fall of American Growth").

The Rise and Fall of the 3rd Reich is probably my 2nd favorite non fiction book.

 

[Prokofievian]

From Joseph Henrich's "The Secret of Our Success." Discussing kind of how the size of the community mind (which is determined by how large the community is and how well-connected it is) affects cultural evolution. My thinking is that distrust in the mainstream media and in academia is effectively shrinking the right-wing mind, and causing them to move backwards (forgetting things they used to know) in a way that is similar to the way physical separation led to certain societies seeing a regression in their technological advancement (including mental technology).

I was watching a lecture on ''the truth in true belief'' yesterday and it contributed a bit to my understanding of dasein as political thought in our age.



I've always had the idea that rightism, especially its internet manifestations, functions as a belief system as Dr. Carse here explains, not as a system in inquiry. It is complete, it has a boundary, once you're inside it it makes complete sense, and you are not to attempt to get out of it. This is, IMO, what makes it so seductive to young men (such as myself, once upon a time) who didn't really know anything. It's complete. All you have to do is learn its precepts and arguments. It's literally like buying a logic gun and ammo: now you are armed. I don't see how else you can get people like Greoric who seemingly do nothing but read about their little hobby horse and never come to a single counterexample. They're not trying to get out, they're learning their belief system.

 

[Fawlty]

wait, hold up. what is your problem with Thomas Sowell?

I'm not the best person to weigh in on economics, but he gets a lot of love from racists because he talks down affirmative action and is generally critical of black culture. He's a safe person for them to promote as "the black guy who gets it right" because he's a respected academic.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I was watching a lecture on ''the truth in true belief'' yesterday and it contributed a bit to my understanding of dasein as political thought in our age.



I've always had the idea that rightism, especially its internet manifestations, functions as a belief system as Dr. Carse here explains, not as a system in inquiry. It is complete, it has a boundary, once you're inside it it makes complete sense, and you are not to attempt to get out of it. This is, IMO, what makes it so seductive to young men (such as myself, once upon a time) who didn't really know anything. It's complete. All you have to do is learn its precepts and arguments. It's literally like buying a logic gun and ammo: now you are armed. I don't see how else you can get people like Greoric who seemingly do nothing but read about their little hobby horse and never come to a single counterexample. They're not trying to get out, they're learning their belief system.

Usually don't listen to long videos, but this seems interesting enough to keep on as background while I work. Thanks.

And, yeah, a while back I had an exchange with Inga and wai about the alleged anti-conservative bias in academia. My thinking was that the movement is hostile to free inquiry so naturally you don't see a lot of people devoted to that identify with it. Imagine someone who holds "conservative" values but accepts objective reality regarding the impact of regressive tax cuts, the findings of climate science, the impact of healthcare reform, the impact of the ARRA, the likelihood of inflation spiking from 2009-2017, the impact of unauthorized immigration on labor costs and on crime, and the likelihood that Obama was born in America. Such a person who claimed to prefer the GOP and called himself a conservative would be called a liar by others in the movement, and would in fact have a tough time justifying his voting preference to himself.

Going back to @MMAisGod's post, I just don't see how you can defend what's going on without being insulated from reality by living inside that system. Maybe @LogicalInsanity can try to explain it.

 

[Lead]

@Lead did you join the war room fantasy football league in yahoo? We got a mystery person joined that no one in the pm is claiming

Nah. Also, when you want someone to add me in the pm, tag me like you did here in the lounge. I’ve been ignoring my PMs unless it says 2 because of that group one.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

I don't think I've heard Sowell weigh in on right-wing identity politics, he mostly comes off as a libertarian ideologue.
Then again I haven't heard from him lately, so maybe he's "evolved" with his party.

He largely retired from private life before Trump's inauguration.

https://www.creators.com/read/thomas-sowell/12/16/farewell

But he's dropped a few articles since

https://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/

He endorsed Crux in the primary.

I like to think he was to embarrassed by Trump to defend him which is why he stepped out of the public but that may be wishful thinking on my part.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Usually don't listen to long videos, but this seems interesting enough to keep on as background while I work. Thanks.

And, yeah, a while back I had an exchange with Inga and wai about the alleged anti-conservative bias in academia. My thinking was that the movement is hostile to free inquiry so naturally you don't see a lot of people devoted to that identify with it. Imagine someone who holds "conservative" values but accepts objective reality regarding the impact of regressive tax cuts, the findings of climate science, the impact of healthcare reform, the impact of the ARRA, the likelihood of inflation spiking from 2009-2017, the impact of unauthorized immigration on labor costs and on crime, and the likelihood that Obama was born in America. Such a person who claimed to prefer the GOP and called himself a conservative would be called a liar by others in the movement, and would in fact have a tough time justifying his voting preference to himself.

Going back to @MMAisGod's post, I just don't see how you can defend what's going on without being insulated from reality by living inside that system. Maybe @LogicalInsanity can try to explain it.

just for the record, I have rarely, if ever defended Trump. I didn't vote for him or Hillary.

 

[Fawlty]

He largely retired from private life before Trump's inauguration.

https://www.creators.com/read/thomas-sowell/12/16/farewell

But he's dropped a few articles since

https://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/

He endorsed Crux in the primary.

I like to think he was to embarrassed by Trump to defend him which is why he stepped out of the public but that what be wishful thinking on my part.

Back in 2016 he equated Trump with Obama as a "glib egomaniac" which was utterly ball-less of him. He only went as far as to say that Trump's policy platform was incoherent and that he's very skeptical of the trade war. That's about the extent of the criticism I've seen, nothing close to what's warranted. He's covered for him on racism and tax policy (expected but smh).

 

[Islam Imamate]

I feel like there are way too many elements to this scenario to expect good outcomes, even from a well trained person trying to intervene. The possible outcomes range from going in and saving the day to getting yourself killed to accidentally killing your neighbors. Part of being a responsible gun owner is understanding your limitations.
@A.C. any thoughts on the scenario?

I think you're really complicating it. The point about the introduction of firearms being an escalation is important but there are plenty of cases of defensive uses of firearms in which no one on either side dies. As long as the gun owner is aware of the nature of his intervention and the escalation it brings and knows how to responsibly operate his firearm I think intervening to stop a neighbor from being burglarized is not a bad idea. Though I would say that mainly applies if the burglar has yet to break in, after that friendly fire is too probable so staying back and calling the cops would be best I imagine.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Remember when this nutcase was the Tea Party's token black friend?

Sowell is also directly responsible for creating Clarence Thomas.

I believe John Bolton befriended Thomas in college and turned him onto Sowell.

 

[Fawlty]

I think you're really complicating it. The point about the introduction of firearms being an escalation is important but there are plenty of cases of defensive uses of firearms in which no one on either side dies. As long as the gun owner is aware of the nature of his intervention and the escalation it brings and knows how to responsibly operate his firearm I think intervening to stop a neighbor from being burglarized is not a bad idea. Though I would say that mainly applies if the burglar has yet to break in, after that friendly fire is too probable so staying back and calling the cops would be best I imagine.

When no person is in immediate danger (family is not home) this hints that guns should be used as a tool of intimidation to stop property crimes by threat of force, as the primary purpose of the gun in that situation. With very rare exceptions that requires the training and the backing of the collective in the enforcement of the law, imo. I'm a believer in not pulling a gun you do not intend to use.

Also pretty much every dude thinks he's a hero deep inside, that he can handle the situation despite having never trained for it or having experience with it. Many combat vets would be okay in that situation (but many wouldn't).

 

[Jack V Savage]

just for the record, I have rarely, if ever defended Trump. I didn't vote for him or Hillary.

That's fine (I mean, I think it's irresponsible but I understand what you're saying), but you express a lot of vitriol toward the left, but I don't understand how that's seen as the main threat when we're facing this kind of barbaric right. The mental separation from reality by the right is why the economic recovery took longer than it should have (and why the economy took much longer and the economy got much worse in other countries), why we're not adequately responding to the threat from climate change, and why we're losing our status as the best country for immigrants, which will cause other problems. In other words, we're facing serious and concrete harm from the intellectual regression of the right. Meanwhile college students protesting fascist speakers or transgendered folks reading to kids or whatever right-wingers are freaking out about today does no harm to the country.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

That's fine (I mean, I think it's irresponsible but I understand what you're saying), but you express a lot of vitriol toward the left, but I don't understand how that's seen as the main threat when we're facing this kind of barbaric right. The mental separation from reality by the right is why the economic recovery took longer than it should have (and why the economy took much longer and the economy got much worse in other countries), why we're not adequately responding to the threat from climate change, and why we're losing our status as the best country for immigrants, which will cause other problems. In other words, we're facing serious and concrete harm from the intellectual regression of the right. Meanwhile college students protesting fascist speakers or transgendered folks reading to kids or whatever right-wingers are freaking out about today does no harm to the country.

my # 1 gripe with the right is this head in the sand mentality regarding climate change. many of them chant the "we need more research!" or it's junk science! but rather than possibly doing something about it, or looking into it, or the findings, they prefer to do nothing.

 

[Fawlty]

@Jack V Savage the finding of suicide in the Epstein case has indeed made proponents (and closet fans feigning skepticism) of the evidence-free murder CT even more convinced there was murder. Like a clock striking twelve, it's unfailing.

 

[Lord Coke]

Miss Nevada Banned From Entering Miss America Over Her Support For Trump


https://summit.news/2019/08/20/miss...swuFdL1nJ9Ol2-DZLK4SKiok2A0caFYj9pYfSRUk0Ji2U

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Miss Nevada says she was banned from competing in the upcoming Miss America beauty contest because of her refusal to hide her support for President Trump.

“I was officially disqualified from competing in the Miss America pageant for 2019,” said Katie Jo Williams in an Instagram video. She says organizers told her she was “too political” to be involved.

Williams asked what she could do to resolve the issue, and was told the only recourse was to delete everything she had posted on social media.



The director of the pageant sent screenshots which included pictures of Williams in her Trump 2020 hat, professing her love for America and her opposition to Antifa, making it clear that they all needed to be erased.

Williams refused and was subsequently stripped of her Miss Nevada title.

Organizers then told Williams that in order to get a refund for her entry fee, she would have to send back her sash and crown for winning Miss Nevada and agree to not tell anyone about being banned from competing in Miss America.

“I feel like if I had more liberal views, less conservative views, that this wouldn’t even be an issue,” said Williams, adding, “I stand by everything I posted.”

 

[Fawlty]

Miss Nevada Banned From Entering Miss America Over Her Support For Trump


https://summit.news/2019/08/20/miss...swuFdL1nJ9Ol2-DZLK4SKiok2A0caFYj9pYfSRUk0Ji2U

Will wait for non-InfoWars-type sources.

Why are your sources so often these dogshit sites that are even worse than Breitbart? It's not like you're incapable, you're a fucking attorney.

 

[Jack V Savage]

my # 1 gripe with the right is this head in the sand mentality regarding climate change. many of them chant the "we need more research!" or it's junk science! but rather than possibly doing something about it, or looking into it, or the findings, they prefer to do nothing.

It's not just climate science (or just economics, or biology, or geology, or individual CTs), though. And it's not just Trump. The right is rejecting the idea of objective reality now at the highest levels. Any information that is unpopular in the movement is rejected out of hand with no consideration--not just by rank-and-file voters but by high-level pundits and politicians. And that's not something that can be bothsidesed away. People try to use the extreme fringe left to present it as a bothsides issue, but the mainstream right is the problem. Good piece from Chait here:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/trump-el-paso-white-nationalist-shooter-crazy.html

Key part:

Tim Alberta’s new book, American Carnage, reports a secret 2013 meeting between John Boehner and Roger Ailes, then the chairman of Fox News. Boehner was concerned that Fox had been giving too much airtime to the loopiest conspiracy-mongers in his caucus, like Louie Gohmert, Steve King, and Michele Bachmann. He asked Ailes to reduce their exposure, and offered up a concession in return: Boehner was promising another committee to investigate Benghazi. The mere mention of Benghazi “tripped a switch,” Alberta reports. “Suddenly high-strung and wary of his surroundings, Ailes proceeded to unpack for Boehner the outlines of an elaborate, interconnected plot to take him down. It started with Ailes’ belief that Obama really was a Muslim who really had been born outside the United States. He described how the White House was monitoring him around the clock because of these views.” Bohener told Alberta, “I began to realize that Ailes believed in all this crazy stuff.”

One of the conclusions that can be drawn from this story is that paranoid thinking had permeated the GOP even before Trump conquered the party. It was Marco Rubio, standard-bearer for the party’s mainstream wing, who charged that President Obama had “deliberately weakened America.” Ailes of course was not some backbencher or marginal crank, but the director of the most influential news organization in the United States. And while Alberta doesn’t point this out, it’s worth pausing to note that Boehner’s position — that yet more investigation was needed to get to the truth behind Benghazi — was also a conspiracy theory. Both men in the room were chasing unfounded conspiracy theories, and the difference between their levels of paranoia was merely a matter of degree.

 

[Higus]

Miss Nevada Banned From Entering Miss America Over Her Support For Trump


https://summit.news/2019/08/20/miss...swuFdL1nJ9Ol2-DZLK4SKiok2A0caFYj9pYfSRUk0Ji2U

tbf, if they did the same to an obnoxious SJW that planned on taking a knee during the pageant, I wouldn't give a shit either