Social War Room Lounge Thread #325: PotWR Edition

[Islam Imamate]

Don’t argue with our AI overlords

On second thought by War Room standards where "centrists" like @Mr Holmes believe in Great Replacement Theory you might be center left.

 

[Mr Holmes]

On second thought by War Room standards where "centrists" like @Mr Holmes believe in Great Replacement Theory you might be center left.

The problem is with you @Radical Islam . According to you, someone can't be a centrist unless they vote for Democrats.

 

[Islam Imamate]

The problem is with you @Radical Islam . According to you, someone can't be a centrist unless they vote for Democrats.

Where did I say that? Also noticed that you didn't deny the Great Replacement claim, very centrist of you.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Where did I say that?

Also noticed that you didn't deny the Great Replacement claim, very centrist of you.

We already went thru it yesterday. Its funny you're alway whining on about centrists and yet you defend goofy woke Pan calling himself a conservative.

 

[Islam Imamate]

First off why use a screenshot instead of linking the post so others can read through the thread?

Voting against Trump means voting for the other viable candidate, Kamala Harris. Anything short of that is not voting against Trump or Harris. Again, if it was between Menendez and Pence a protest vote would be unacceptable.

From my POV the answer is obvious and its because you don't want other posters to have the wider context of that thread because then they'd see you're lying. So for context here are two other posts from that thread:

No, its because you won't vote against the guy who attempted a coup.

If Bob Menendez was running against Mike Pence I would expect centrists to vote for Pence despite whatever issues they might have with him because Menendez is a verified crook. And I would vote with them against Menendez.

Democrats didn't nominate a crook though, the Republicans did.

What's pathetic is trying to equivocate a run of the mill, perhaps less than ideal Democrat with a convicted felon who tried to overturn a free and fair election.

To reiterate my earlier example, if Bob Menendez was running against Mike Pence any sane centrist would vote for Mike Pence even if they had serious disagreements because Menendez is under investigation(and in my eyes almost certainly guilty of) receiving a bribe from a foreign government. The issue goes beyond partisan difference, its about the difference between candidates who have respect for our democratic norms and the rule or law versus those that don't.

EDIT: Correction, Menendez was convicted. Had not followed the case closely and either missed or forgot that he was convicted last year.

So not only did I not say that someone can't be a centrist unless they vote for Democrats, I in fact said the exact opposite of what you're implying and claimed that centrists shouldn't vote for one party or another by default but should refer to bipartisan standards of ethics and vote according to those.

Why would you lie about something I could do easily disprove? I guess if this is the standard of "centrist" we're dealing with in the WR its no wonder @Rob Battisti has preferred the label of "independent" lately.

We already went thru it yesterday. Its funny you're alway whining on about centrists and yet you defend goofy woke Pan calling himself a conservative.

Pan is conservative, just not MAGA. You can understand that distinction right?

 

[Mr Holmes]

First off why use a screenshot instead of linking the post so others can read through the thread?

From my POV the answer is obvious and its because you don't want other posters to have the wider context of that thread because then they'd see you're lying. So for context here are two other posts from that thread:


So not only did I not say that someone can't be a centrist unless they vote for Democrats, I in fact said the exact opposite of what you're implying and claimed that centrists shouldn't vote for one party or another by default but should refer to bipartisan standards of ethics and vote according to those.

Why would you lie about something I could do easily disprove? I guess if this is the standard of "centrist" we're dealing with in the WR its no wonder @Rob Battisti has preferred the label of "independent" lately.

Pan is conservative, just not MAGA. You can understand that distinction right?

The screenshots capture the exchange. People can use the search if they want to read more. Its a fact you said: you're not a centrist unless you vote for Kamala. Which is an incredibly dumb comment.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Pan is conservative, just not MAGA. You can understand that distinction right?

Sure sure. Cry more.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

@Neph do me

 

[lsa]

@Neph do me

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

Pan is conservative, just not MAGA. You can understand that distinction right?

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

I didn't mean it like that.

I meant it more like....have a go at me.

 

[Islam Imamate]

The screenshots capture the exchange. People can use the search if they want to read more. Its a fact you said: you're not a centrist unless you vote for Kamala. Which is an incredibly dumb comment.

Hold on now, that wasn't your original claim. You were claiming that I said this:

The problem is with you @Radical Islam . According to you, someone can't be a centrist unless they vote for Democrats.

And yet the very exchange you cited showed the exact opposite. Can you admit you misrepresented my view?

Sure sure. Cry more.

Not crying, just asking questions. You don't think there's a distinction between non-MAGA conservatives and MAGAs?

 

[Rob Battisti]

Where did I say that? Also noticed that you didn't deny the Great Replacement claim, very centrist of you.

I think at one point you definitely said I can’t be a centrist unless I voted for Harris because Trump was so bad. I didn’t vote for either candidate and you essentially said that unless I didn’t “vote against Trump by voting for Harris” I wasn’t a centrist.

A better argument would be is that “centrists” don’t exist. Which is essentially why I now just refer to myself as an independent since no political party holds enough of my positions for me to support them.

On second thought by War Room standards where "centrists" like @Mr Holmes believe in Great Replacement Theory you might be center left.

Can you define the theory so I can see if I believe in it?

 

[Mr Holmes]

And yet the very exchange you cited showed the exact opposite. Can you admit you misrepresented my view?

Alright, I should have said in the last election. Happy now? That doesn't really change things.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I think at one point you definitely said I can’t be a centrist unless I voted for Harris because Trump was so bad. I didn’t vote for either candidate and you essentially said that unless I didn’t “vote against Trump by voting for Harris” I wasn’t a centrist.

You can see how that's not the same as saying someone can only be a centrist if they vote for Democrats right? The exchange was linked above and is pretty clear I think.

Can you define the theory so I can see if I believe in it?

You haven't heard of the Great Replacement Theory?

Alright, I should have said in the last election. Happy now? That doesn't really change things.

No that's not accurate either, I've said many times in the forum that at the state and local level things can vary wildly and that at that level some GOP politicians and parties are better than their Democrat counterparts

Depending on the context I would say that at the state and local level there's a good argument for voting GOP over Dems.

But Trump is a uniquely bad candidate. If someone voted GOP up and down the ballot except for Trump that I could understand much better.

Tbh more of a local and state problem. GOP in some cases are better than Dems at that level. Both sides have NIMBYs but the GOP brand in more in favor of the kind of deregulation that helps.

I actually think Harris' idea of the down payment subsidy of $25k was a bad idea and IIRC I said so at the time. To me it showed she was playing it safe.

Yeah because it's a lazy analysis that gets way too much credence when it's usually not true.

To be clear I'm not saying Dems are always better. If you analyzed every state and local level Dem and GOP party you'd likely find that in some blue states there is significantly more corruption on the Dem side. And at the national level there's the likes of Bob Menendez.

Down here in Florida our state Democrat party isn't very good and our Republicans are a little more moderate compared to the national GOP or some of the state parties in the deep red states so honestly Idk that I'd vote blue up and down the ballot when it comes to state and local races. In fact I've briefly looked into my Republican state representative and they're not so bad, they've supported YIMBY policies which are one of my top priorities so I'm probably going to vote them back in when the midterms come around.

Can you admit you misrepresented my position? That I in fact never said that someone can only call themselves centrist if they vote Democrat? Not generally nor in the last election?

 

[DoctorTaco]

For what it's worth dude, I wouldn't put too much stock in this stuff lol it's basically the present day equivalent to a MySpace personality quiz
Fun though

I did my own and it said I was conservative leaning. Rude.

@Neph would you do mind with your own prompt/imput? Thanks amigo

 

[Mr Holmes]

You can see how that's not the same as saying someone can only be a centrist if they vote for Democrats right? The exchange was linked above and is pretty clear I think.

You haven't heard of the Great Replacement Theory?

No that's not accurate either, I've said many times in the forum that at the state and local level things can vary wildly and that at that level some GOP politicians and parties are better than their Democrat counterparts




Can you admit you misrepresented my position? That I in fact never said that someone can only call themselves centrist if they vote Democrat? Not generally nor in the last election?

No, I'm not I'm not going to admit that. Your standards are ridiculous. And I don't really care if you think I or anyone else is a centrist/moderate/independent.

 

[Islam Imamate]

No, I'm not I'm not going to admit that. Your standards are ridiculous. And I don't really care if you think I or anyone else is a centrist/moderate/independent.

How are my standards here ridiculous? And don't you see how your original statement was a gross misrepresentation of my position? Never anywhere did I say that someone can only call themselves a centrist if they only vote for Democrats and I've in fact said things to the opposite effect, that at the state and local level the GOP outperforms Dems in many places. In one of those posts I even said someone could vote GOP up and down the entire ballot except for Trump and I'd be fine with that. Why not accurately represent my view which is that setting party aside Trump was a singularly bad candidate?

@Rob Battisti since you're the "independent", you should be able to see my point here right? Surely you can see how he distorted my position and refuses to concede his error?

 

[Rob Battisti]

You can see how that's not the same as saying someone can only be a centrist if they vote for Democrats right? The exchange was linked above and is pretty clear I think.

Uh, well kind of? You saying “you can’t be a centrist unless you vote for a democrat in this election” is pretty close to saying “you can only be a centrist if you vote for a democrat”.

You haven't heard of the Great Replacement Theory?

I’ve heard of it, but I wanted to see what definition you were using. In that case, “the complicity or cooperation of "replacist" elites, the ethnic French and white European populations at large are being demographically and culturally replaced by non-white peoples—especially from Muslim-majority countries—through mass migration, demographic growth and a drop in the birth rate of white Europeans.”

I mean, is that a far out there “theory”?

European governments were actively encouraging and or freely allowing migration from third world countries — mainly Muslim countries. There is a concerted effort to diminish historical cultural norms in an effort of “inclusion” in many European nations. Birth rates of migrants — specifically Muslims — does outpace European whites.

I wouldn’t go as far to say it’s “coordinated” or “planned” as that’s just stupid conspiracy theory. What you shared said that the ruling elites were complicit. That feels very obvious.

Are you arguing that migrant birth rates outpace European white birth rates? Or are you arguing that cultural norms aren’t being swapped for homogeneous “inclusive” doctrines, which raise up previously shunned practices against historical norms? There is no doubt that what was considered normal in the past is being replaced with something different and those differences are due to the influx of migrants en masse.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Uh, well kind of? You saying “you can’t be a centrist unless you vote for a democrat in this election” is pretty close to saying “you can only be a centrist if you vote for a democrat”.

Really? You don't see how the wider context there makes all the difference? If I say that you can vote GOP up and down the ballot but not for Trump as a centrist that's the same as saying you can only vote Democrat? Saying that you should vote for Pence over Menendez is saying you should only vote Democrat? Make it make sense.

I’ve heard of it, but I wanted to see what definition you were using. In that case, “the complicity or cooperation of "replacist" elites, the ethnic French and white European populations at large are being demographically and culturally replaced by non-white peoples—especially from Muslim-majority countries—through mass migration, demographic growth and a drop in the birth rate of white Europeans.”

I mean, is that a far out there “theory”?

European governments were actively encouraging and or freely allowing migration from third world countries — mainly Muslim countries. There is a concerted effort to diminish historical cultural norms in an effort of “inclusion” in many European nations. Birth rates of migrants — specifically Muslims — does outpace European whites.

I wouldn’t go as far to say it’s “coordinated” or “planned” as that’s just stupid conspiracy theory. What you shared said that the ruling elites were complicit. That feels very obvious.

Are you arguing that migrant birth rates outpace European white birth rates? Or are you arguing that cultural norms aren’t being swapped for homogeneous “inclusive” doctrines, which raise up previously shunned practices against historical norms? There is no doubt that what was considered normal in the past is being replaced with something different and those differences are due to the influx of migrants en masse.

Oh damn you believe it too, I guess that makes me far left by the standards of the WR.