Social War Room Lounge Thread #325: PotWR Edition

[Islam Imamate]

I mean, that’s verifiably false.

How so?

No. I believe governments were complicit in mass migration from third world countries bringing in ethnically and culturally different populations which are replacing normative European peoples and cultures. Is there anything specifically you’d argue against in that sentence?

What do we mean by "complicit in mass migration"? A refugee crisis happened and governments responded, I don't think there was any intention of replacing Europeans and in fact the burden of that refugee crisis fell much harder on Muslim majority countries.

Are Turkish elites trying to replace their Turkish population with Syrians?

This was done under the guise of needing to import “workers” due to birth rates not supporting replacement.

Uh yes exactly, hence "Great Replacement" is not true. For many countries in Europe this meant taking in immigrants from other European countries like Poland.

I fail to see how this position is controversial.

You fail to see how white nationalist conspiracies about anti-white elites looking to replace Europeans with Muslims might be controversial?

Also, run it through AI all you want. Saying someone can’t be centrist unless they vote for one person or another is a bad position.

Uh sure you can feel that way but what I'm wondering is why can't you just admit that Mr Holmes' representation of my position was inaccurate? Do you actually think his summary of my position was fair given the context?

Anyway, stop clogging up the lounge.

Clogging up how?

That was your exact position against me. I couldn’t be centrist even if I didn’t vote for Trump because a real centrist MUST vote for Harris.

Nowhere did I ever say you have to vote for Democrats as a centrist. I said that in the presidential race I'd expect a centrist to vote against the candidate with criminal convictions who attempted a coup, making no reference to party status and specifically including a hypothetical that demonstrated that these principles transcend party. You can see how in light of that Mr Holmes summary was quite unfair and inaccurate right?

Since we're pulling up AI. Here you go.

That's great but wholly irrelevant to the point here which is that you misrepresented my argument and refuse to admit it.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Since we're pulling up AI. Here you go.

NOT UH!! - II

 

[Deleted member 592570]

That's not been my experience, I can see the text just fine on my end.

Maybe it's an android thing

 

[Cajun]

Since we're pulling up AI. Here you go.

To me a centrist can vote either way. It doesnt make sense that they have to lean one way or another. If they are unhappy with both sides for extremes (which can easily happen especially these days) then they may choose 3rd party or abstain. I actually have had conservative friends that don't vote for Trump. Because they're conservative they certainly are not going to vote for Kamala. All of the political stuff is a spectrum

 

[Islam Imamate]

To me a centrist can vote either way. It doesnt make sense that they have to lean one way or another. If they are unhappy with both sides for extremes (which can easily happen especially these days) then they may choose 3rd party or abstain. I actually have had conservative friends that don't vote for Trump. Because they're conservative they certainly are not going to vote for Kamala. All of the political stuff is a spectrum

That's fine you can feel that way even though I disagree but setting that aside, can you see how Mr Holmes' representation of my argument was wholly inaccurate?

 

[Mr Holmes]

To me a centrist can vote either way. It doesnt make sense that they have to lean one way or another. If they are unhappy with both sides for extremes (which can easily happen especially these days) then they may choose 3rd party or abstain. I actually have had conservative friends that don't vote for Trump. Because they're conservative they certainly are not going to vote for Kamala. All of the political stuff is a spectrum

Well put.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

AI is pretty biased/naive about empathy imo. It can't really understand that type of thing because it doesn't have a soul.

If you give a homeless guy $20, naive people would say 'wow that's so empathetic!'

But once you realize he's going to take that $20 and buy fentanyl and possibly overdose and die and you're essentially just giving a drug dealer $20 to fund his arsenal of illegal guns, things get a bit murkier.

I don't think AI is really capable of that type of nuance.

 

[Rob Battisti]

How so?

Uh, ever hear of demographics and birth rates?

What do we mean by "complicit in mass migration"? A refugee crisis happened and governments responded, I don't think there was any intention of replacing Europeans and in fact the burden of that refugee crisis fell much harder on Muslim majority countries.

Are Turkish elites trying to replace their Turkish population with Syrians?

I never said anyone was “trying” to do anything. If your contention is intention, then we agree. I don’t think the intention was the replace, but that it is happening due to decisions that were made.

You fail to see how white nationalist conspiracies about anti-white elites looking to replace Europeans with Muslims might be controversial?

My position isn’t controversial.

NOT UH!! - II

Again

 

[Islam Imamate]

Uh, ever hear of demographics and birth rates?

Sure, what of them?

I never said anyone was “trying” to do anything. If your contention is intention, then we agree. I don’t think the intention was the replace, but that it is happening due to decisions that were made.

That is the contention of the believers in Great Replacement Theory though, that replacist elites are actively trying to replace whites.

My position isn’t controversial.

Will I disagree but setting that aside, do you think The Great Replacement Theory is?

And beyond that, can you admit that Mr Holmes misrepresented my position in regards to the point about centrists and the last election?

 

[Cajun]

That's fine you can feel that way even though I disagree but setting that aside, can you see how Mr Holmes' representation of my argument was wholly inaccurate?

I'd have to go back and look. You guys have crushed it today with the debate on a Sunday. So it may be too much to read right now let me scroll back right quick.

 

[Rob Battisti]

That is the contention of the believers in Great Replacement Theory though, that replacist elites are actively trying to replace whites.

Then I disagree with that theory

 

[Cajun]

Nowhere did I ever say you have to vote for Democrats as a centrist. I said that in the presidential race I'd expect a centrist to vote against the candidate with criminal convictions who attempted a coup, making no reference to party status and specifically including a hypothetical that demonstrated that these principles transcend party. You can see how in light of that Mr Holmes summary was quite unfair and inaccurate right?

Thats fair. Its simply for Trump's sheer divisive personality that some of my conservative friends did not vote or voted third party. I think what it boils down to is what are your biggest issues for a centrist or independent and who will solve them. If it was the border then likely you were not going to vote Kamala as there were no changes proposed. Centrists are centrists because they hover between both sides and avoid extremes. It doesn't mean that they don't have real issues that they want to address. I think what you're saying is that a centrist could not vote for Trump particularly. Not necessarily one political party or another but him specifically. I'm sure a lot of them did not. But I think it depends on what you need solved at the moment and how important that is to you individually. And I can definitely see how Trump's polarizing personality scared away a lot of centrists. He picked up a lot of folks though that he didn't pick up last time so it was a very interesting election

 

[Islam Imamate]

I'd have to go back and look. You guys have crushed it today with the debate on a Sunday. So it may be too much to read right now let me scroll back right quick.

He said this

The problem is with you @Radical Islam . According to you, someone can't be a centrist unless they vote for Democrats.

When in fact I said this

If Bob Menendez was running against Mike Pence I would expect centrists to vote for Pence despite whatever issues they might have with him because Menendez is a verified crook. And I would vote with them against Menendez.

Democrats didn't nominate a crook though, the Republicans did.

What's pathetic is trying to equivocate a run of the mill, perhaps less than ideal Democrat with a convicted felon who tried to overturn a free and fair election.

To reiterate my earlier example, if Bob Menendez was running against Mike Pence any sane centrist would vote for Mike Pence even if they had serious disagreements because Menendez is under investigation(and in my eyes almost certainly guilty of) receiving a bribe from a foreign government. The issue goes beyond partisan difference, its about the difference between candidates who have respect for our democratic norms and the rule or law versus those that don't.

EDIT: Correction, Menendez was convicted. Had not followed the case closely and either missed or forgot that he was convicted last year.

Can you see how Mr Holmes, and now Rob Battista, are misrepresenting my position by framing it around party affiliation when that's explicitly not my argument?

 

[Islam Imamate]

Thats fair. Its simply for Trump's sheer divisive personality that some of my conservative friends did not vote or voted third party. I think what it boils down to is what are your biggest issues for a centrist or independent and who will solve them. If it was the border then likely you were not going to vote Kamala as there were no changes proposed. Centrists are centrists because they hover between both sides and avoid extremes. It doesn't mean that they don't have real issues that they want to address. I think what you're saying is that a centrist could not vote for Trump particularly. Not necessarily one political party or another but him specifically. I'm sure a lot of them did not. But I think it depends on what you need solved at the moment and how important that is to you individually.

Right, you can disagree with my argument here but at least don't lie about it is all I'm asking. Idk why it's so hard for Holmes and Rob to see that.

 

[Cajun]

He said this

When in fact I said this


Can you see how Mr Holmes, and now Rob Battista, are misrepresenting my position by framing it around party affiliation when that's explicitly not my argument?

Yeah I see it. Your issue specifically relates to this particular election with Trump. Not a typical election cycle. Makes sense to me.

 

[Cajun]

Right, you can disagree with my argument here but at least don't lie about it is all I'm asking. Idk why it's so hard for Holmes and Rob to see that.

Fair

 

[Islam Imamate]

Then I disagree with that theory

Okay and can you see why I might think that someone who believes in that theory might not be a centrist?

 

[Mr Holmes]

Okay and can you see why I might think that someone who believes in that theory might not be a centrist?

For the record I said some on the left want to disrupt western nationalism and some politicians want the votes.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Okay and can you see why I might think that someone who believes in that theory might not be a centrist?

If someone believes that the elites of the country are purposefully and actively trying to replace culture and population? Yes.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

btw, anyone from Candidia not watching tonights Hockey game between the Oilers and the Panthers needs to
surrender their maple syrup club membership card.

Heaven.

I'd swap out the sausage patty for some bacon, you know the maple kind, and the egg for one over easy but that looks delicious.