Social War Room Lounge Thread #325: PotWR Edition

[Rob Battisti]

Really? You don't see how the wider context there makes all the difference? If I say that you can vote GOP up and down the ballot but not for Trump as a centrist that's the same as saying you can only vote Democrat? Saying that you should vote for Pence over Menendez is saying you should only vote Democrat? Make it make sense.

I said “kind of” and showed you the similarities. I think it’s wrong so say you must vote for a democrat in any election to be a centrist. That was your position.

Oh damn you believe it too, I guess that makes me far left by the standards of the WR.

Is there anything I said which you would argue isn’t the case? I don’t think there is a group of people planning to replace whites. The theory you shared was that there is complicity from the ruling class that cultures and peoples are being replaced by other cultures and peoples through migration and differing birthrates.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Don’t argue with our AI overlords

It told me my preferred authority is "libertarian" dude lol

 

[Mr Holmes]

It told me my preferred authority is "libertarian" dude lol

This is what I always suspected all along.

 

[Limbo Pete]

This is what I always suspected all along.

I've been made!

 

[Islam Imamate]

I said “kind of” and showed you the similarities. I think it’s wrong so say you must vote for a democrat in any election to be a centrist. That was your position.

My position was that a centrist should vote for Kamala Harris over Donald Trump because Trump is a criminal, that had nothing to do with party and its certainly dishonest to pretend that my position was that someone can only call themselves a centrist if they vote for Democrats as Mr Holmes claimed.

You'd agree Mr Holmes misrepresented my view right? He even cited a post I made in support of his misrepresentation that stated precisely the opposite of what he was claiming.

Is there anything I said which you would argue isn’t the case? I don’t think there is a group of people planning to replace whites. The theory you shared was that there is complicity from the ruling class that cultures and peoples are being replaced by other cultures and peoples through migration and differing birthrates.

Of course, I would argue that Great Replacement is a bonkers theory. People migrate from less developed, stable societies to more developed, stable societies, it has nothing to do with replacing whites culturally or demographically. The reason for the migrant crisis in the mid 2010s is not because elites want to replace white culture, its because there was a refugee crisis that had to be dealt with. Its like saying there's a Great Turkish Replacement going on because there are millions of Syrians in Turkey, it fundamentally misunderstands economics, migration, and demography.

 

[Rob Battisti]

My position was that a centrist should vote for Kamala Harris over Donald Trump because Trump is a criminal, that had nothing to do with party and its certainly dishonest to pretend that my position was that someone can only call themselves a centrist if they vote for Democrats as Mr Holmes claimed.

You'd agree Mr Holmes misrepresented my view right? He even cited a post I made in support of his misrepresentation that stated precisely the opposite of what he was claiming.

Your position was “you cannot be a centrist unless you vote for Harris”.

Of course, I would argue that Great Replacement is a bonkers theory. People migrate from less developed, stable societies to more developed, stable societies, it has nothing to do with replacing whites culturally or demographically. The reason for the migrant crisis in the mid 2010s is not because elites want to replace white culture, it’s because there was a refugee crisis that had to be dealt with. It’s like saying there's a Great Turkish Replacement going on because there are millions of Syrians in Turkey, it fundamentally misunderstands economics, migration, and demography.

You’re misrepresenting your own source. The quoted source says “complicity” not that “elites want to replace”. I don’t think “elites want to replace whites”.

Normalized cultures and demographics are changing due to the complicity of governments in allowing mass migration. That sentence alone — do you disagree?

 

[Islam Imamate]

Your position was “you cannot be a centrist unless you vote for Harris”.

Yes and in context you can see how that's very different from Mr Holmes' misrepresentation where he claims that I said someone can only call themselves centrist if they vote for Democrats right?

For example I said this

No, its because you won't vote against the guy who attempted a coup.

If Bob Menendez was running against Mike Pence I would expect centrists to vote for Pence despite whatever issues they might have with him because Menendez is a verified crook. And I would vote with them against Menendez.

Democrats didn't nominate a crook though, the Republicans did.

What do you think the point I'm making there is? That centrists should only vote for Democrats? Or that centrists should have standards for ethics that transcend party lines?

You’re misrepresenting your own source. The quoted source says “complicity” not that “elites want to replace”. I don’t think “elites want to replace whites”.

Complicity in what exactly? In the replacement of whites, no?

Normalized cultures and demographics are changing due to the complicity of governments in allowing mass migration. That sentence alone — do you disagree?

There's nothing special about the EU in this regard, people move from less developed and less stable societies to more developed and stable ones especially in fleeing war. Migrants didn't surge to the EU in the mid 2010s because of anything the EU governments did, its because their home countries collapsed. Same in the Americas, collapse of Haiti and Venezuela as well as more muted breakdowns in states like Cuba and Nicaragua are what drive the migrant surge.

If you look at the countries that are the most burdened by refugee inflows its not European ones but in fact Muslim ones. As of 2022 the country with the largest refugee population is Turkey and per capita its Lebanon followed by Jordan. Of the top five countries with the most refugees four are Muslim majority and only one, Germany, is European and per capita the highest ranked European country is Sweden at #9. So if anything its elites in Muslim majority countries like Turkey, Pakistan, Lebanon, Jordan, and Iran that are the most complicit in "allowing mass migration" under this framework.

However, the Great Replacement Theory ignores all that and frames the migration crises as a conspiracy to replace whites in Europe as if mass migration of refugees is an engineered problem and one unique to Europe. You would disagree with that right?

 

[Deleted member 592570]

First off why use a screenshot instead of linking the post so others can read through the thread?

Because the quote function is broken when posting to other threads.

 

[Siver!]

You can see how that's not the same as saying someone can only be a centrist if they vote for Democrats right? The exchange was linked above and is pretty clear I think.

You haven't heard of the Great Replacement Theory?

No that's not accurate either, I've said many times in the forum that at the state and local level things can vary wildly and that at that level some GOP politicians and parties are better than their Democrat counterparts




Can you admit you misrepresented my position? That I in fact never said that someone can only call themselves centrist if they vote Democrat? Not generally nor in the last election?

Guys this is the AI profile thread.

Thanks, or yellows.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Complicity in what exactly? In the replacement of whites, no?

Read your own source

There's nothing special about the EU in this regard,

Okay, so whites and European culture is being replaced like other peoples and cultures are being replaced in places with mass migration.

However, the Great Replacement Theory ignores all that and frames the migration crises as a conspiracy to replace whites in Europe as if mass migration of refugees is an engineered problem and one unique to Europe. You would disagree with that right?

That isn’t what your source said. I quoted the theory. That’s the exact reason I asked for you to define it.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Because the quote function is broken when posting to other threads.

But I quoted that very post he made the screenshot of in the very post you just quoted and it seems to work fine on my end.

Guys this is the AI profile thread.

Thanks, or yellows.

Well to stay on theme here I ran the posts I made through ChatGPT and this its summary of my argument so that maybe @Rob Battisti and @Mr Holmes might more easily understand it.

Core Argument:​

The author is arguing that character and respect for democratic norms are more important than strict partisan alignment when choosing a candidate. They use the hypothetical of Bob Menendez vs. Mike Pence to illustrate that if a Democrat is demonstrably corrupt (like Menendez, who they say was convicted of bribery), they would support the Republican (Pence), even if they disagreed with him politically—because Pence at least respects democratic norms and the rule of law.


They contrast this with the 2024 election, where they believe the roles are reversed:

• The Democrat (Kamala Harris) is not corrupt or anti-democratic.
• The Republican (Donald Trump) is a "convicted felon" who "tried to overturn a free and fair election."

Supporting Points:​

• Equating a flawed Democrat with Trump is "pathetic" because Trump's offenses go far beyond normal political disagreements—they are about undermining democracy itself.
• A "protest vote" or sitting out the election is seen as irresponsible when the stakes involve democracy vs. authoritarianism.
• Centrists should logically vote against candidates like Menendez (if he were running), just as they should vote against Trump now, even if that means supporting Harris.

Read your own source

Can you quote the relevant part you want me to read?

Okay, so whites and European culture is being replaced like other peoples and cultures are being replaced in places with mass migration.

No, no one is being replaced. Migration and demographic shifts are perfectly normal though of course they fluctuate over time to include spikes like the Syrian refugee crisis.

That isn’t what your source said. I quoted the theory. That’s the exact reason I asked for you to define it.

The theory talks about a "replacist elite", do you believe such an elite exists?

 

[Deleted member 592570]

But I quoted that very post he made the screenshot of in the very post you just quoted and it seems to work fine on my end.

Well to stay on theme here I ran the posts I made through ChatGPT and this its summary of my argument so that maybe @Rob Battisti and @Mr Holmes might more easily understand it.



Can you quote the relevant part you want me to read?

No, no one is being replaced. Migration and demographic shifts are perfectly normal though of course they fluctuate over time to include spikes like the Syrian refugee crisis.

The theory talks about a "replacist elite", do you believe such an elite exists?

If you copy and post a quoted post from another thread to a different thread, the quote disappears and it just postes plain text

 

[Islam Imamate]

If you copy and post a quoted post from another thread to a different thread, the quote disappears and it just postes plain text

That's not been my experience, I can see the text just fine on my end.

 

[Islam Imamate]

@Rob Battisti here's what ChatGPT had to say about @Mr Holmes' summary("According to you, someone can't be a centrist unless they vote for Democrats.") of my argument:

No, that summary misrepresents the author's position.


Here’s why:


The author's argument is not that centrism requires voting for Democrats. Instead, they argue that:

• Centrists should vote based on ethical standards and respect for democratic norms, not blind party loyalty.
• In a hypothetical where a Democrat is corrupt (Menendez), a centrist should vote for the Republican (Pence).
• In the actual case of Trump vs. Harris, the Republican (Trump) is the one who is fundamentally unfit due to his criminal conviction and efforts to undermine democracy—so a centrist should vote for Harris.

A fairer summary might be:​

"According to you, centrists should vote for whichever viable candidate best upholds democratic norms and the rule of law—even if that means voting across party lines."


The author’s view is more about principled voting than partisan loyalty.

Does it make more sense now?

 

[Mr Holmes]

@Rob Battisti here's what ChatGPT had to say about @Mr Holmes' summary("According to you, someone can't be a centrist unless they vote for Democrats.") of my argument:

Does it make more sense now?

Except you said you couldn't vote third party. It had to be Harris.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Except you said you couldn't vote third party. It had to be Harris.

Uh sure but you can see how your representation of my argument was not accurate right?

 

[Cole train]

Neph should soon start charging money for analysis thing lol

 

[Rob Battisti]

No, no one is being replaced.

I mean, that’s verifiably false.

The theory talks about a "replacist elite", do you believe such an elite exists?

No. I believe governments were complicit in mass migration from third world countries bringing in ethnically and culturally different populations which are replacing normative European peoples and cultures. Is there anything specifically you’d argue against in that sentence?

This was done under the guise of needing to import “workers” due to birth rates not supporting replacement.

I fail to see how this position is controversial.

Also, run it through AI all you want. Saying someone can’t be centrist unless they vote for one person or another is a bad position.

Anyway, stop clogging up the lounge.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Uh sure but you can see how your representation of my argument was not accurate right?

That was your exact position against me. I couldn’t be centrist even if I didn’t vote for Trump because a real centrist MUST vote for Harris.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Uh sure but you can see how your representation of my argument was not accurate right?

Since we're pulling up AI. Here you go.