Wanderlei Silva gets lifetime ban

[aker2703]

Contracts are made to be breached.

tell me how that went for Couture :icon_chee

 

[kmeyers]

Ill say this one last time.

NO.

IT.

IS.

NOT.

The UFC are not in breach if Wand broke the rules and is suspended. There is literally no easier way I can explain this.



They cannot offer him fights because he broke the rules and is not allowed to fight. It is Wand's fault, not theirs. Therefore they have no liability in this matter.



Here is the relevant paragraph of the UFC fighter contracts. Find the part where it mentions a timeframe.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-the-ufcs-top-secret-fighter-contract/page/4

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-the-ufcs-top-secret-fighter-contract/page/11

Still wading through this, but how can a fighter "wait a contract out" if there is no time frame?

You also can't use an injury to wait your contract out. The UFC contract continues rolling for every minute you are unable to meet your obligations.

 

[jeremyemilio]

Apparently.

The 1st time Overeem ran he didn't even get punished. He did exactly what Wand did and fled the country.

The 2nd time Overeem ran they got him to come back and take the test and he failed it. He only got a 9 month suspension despite running twice. You would think that they would look back at the 1st time that he ran with more scrutiny after a running again and then failing a drug test. They complimented him instead and gave him a reduced sentence.

Don't take any of the following to suggest that I'm arguing with your points. I actually agree with you. But it's like this:

Athletic commissions fancy themselves to be quasi judicial systems (a lot of members have legal backgrounds). That's what they act like. Go into the courtroom and kiss ass and you're generally get a lighter sentence than the guy who goes in and tells the judge to kiss his ass. And the legal system awards people for playing dumb, too. That's why lawyers tell clients never to apologize for doing something wrong. Apologize for the poor signage or communications system or weather conditions or anything else that you had no control over, but always deny personal culpability.

Reem played the game. Skipped town when he could deny that he knew he was supposed to stay, came back to face the music when denial was no longer an option.

Wandy didn't play the game (mostly because he just didn't understand it at a core level the way Reem did) and payed the price.

 

[Winston Wolf]

tell me how that went for Couture :icon_chee

Wand in Brazil > Couture in the US

So that's definitely something Bellator should consider looking in to. Unless of course they're afraid of retaliation by the athletic comissions. And let's be honest... those comissions go way overboard with this kind of stuff.

 

[HIMBOB]

Is there any precedent for this?

Its hard to imagine he would have failed worse than Chael did.

 

[Ancient Warrior]

The problem with the commission, is their penalties are inconsistent and wreak of immaturity.

 

[UL]

we had a AV bet for the Shogun/Chael fight, but before it even came to pass you admitted (not in a pm but a thread) that you had no intention to changing your AV if you lost. That fact that i came across your post (by luck) doesn't change the fact that you would have welched if I had not seen your post.

that with another poster (don't remember his name) told everybody you welched on his bet when we all thought you had been banned (pity they let you back).

lol

I wouldn't ever say that in a thread, you must have confused me with someone else

 

[Hans Gruber]

source on this. He was in the room when told they would test all the fighters (146) but my understanding was the pre 141 test was passed on to his manager (by phone) by Keith Kizer.

If you can prove me wrong, i will admit my mistake and agree that they are the same...but i doubt you will.

Sorry. My post was confusing.

I was saying that in one of the situations that Overeem was in the room with other fighters when they were told that they had to take a drug test. He ran and drove off. It doesn't matter that Kizer got ahold of him later and got him to come back. He ran.

The other situation was a joke too.

-The assistant supposedly didn't tell Overeem about he drug test until 3 days later (yeah right)
-Overeem still waited 4 days to take the test after his assistant informed him of it.
-Then they waited 8 days to get the results.
-Then it was revealed that he took wrong test
-Then Overeem's assistant waited 4 days to tell him he had to take it again.

3 weeks later Overeem finally takes the correct test. (when he was obviously clean)

Running is running. Wanderlei offered to take the test later too. The commission accepted Overeem's test 3 weeks later but refused to accept Wanderlei taking a later test.

 

[KaNesDeath]

The length will probably get appealed down to a 2 year suspension. No major incident occurred that warrants a lifetime ban.

 

[giusti825]

Ill say this one last time.

NO.

IT.

IS.

NOT.

The UFC are not in breach if Wand broke the rules and is suspended. There is literally no easier way I can explain this.



They cannot offer him fights because he broke the rules and is not allowed to fight. It is Wand's fault, not theirs. Therefore they have no liability in this matter.



Here is the relevant paragraph of the UFC fighter contracts. Find the part where it mentions a timeframe.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-the-ufcs-top-secret-fighter-contract/page/4

4.1 The duration of the Promotional Rights provided herein (the "Term") shall commence on the Effective Date and end on the earlier of (i) forty (40) months after the first bout promoted by ZUFFA involving Fighter under this Agreement; or (ii) the date on which Fighter has participated in at least eight (8) Bouts promoted by ZUFFA pursuant to this Agreement (the "Termination Date"), unless terminated sooner or extended further pursuant to the provisions of this Agreement.

Its a 21 page article.....try flipping through it.....

 

[SerrabyTKO]

No it wouldnt. Failing to participate would be reusing to fight. the contract is for fighting in the ufc, not fine paying to the ACs.

He's refusing to fight by not paying the fine in accordance with his suspension. That's his doing, not the UFC.

He's refusing to do the things that he needs to do to be legally allowed to fight.

The UFC is under the regulation of the ACs. there's not a judge in the world that would rule against them for abiding by the rules of the ACs. Don't be dumb.

 

[kmeyers]

4.1 The duration of the Promotional Rights provided herein (the "Term") shall commence on the Effective Date and end on the earlier of (i) forty (40) months after the first bout promoted by ZUFFA involving Fighter under this Agreement; or (ii) the date on which Fighter has participated in at least eight (8) Bouts promoted by ZUFFA pursuant to this Agreement (the "Termination Date"), unless terminated sooner or extended further pursuant to the provisions of this Agreement.

Its a 21 page article.....try flipping through it.....

Thank you. Also...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-the-ufcs-top-secret-fighter-contract/page/17

(This term is about) having the ability to make sure these fighters continue to get fights and are getting paid. When you have a lot of fighters on the roster, there are situations where you might not be able to get a fight for a guy or woman in the right amount of time

 

[SerrabyTKO]

4.1 The duration of the Promotional Rights provided herein (the "Term") shall commence on the Effective Date and end on the earlier of (i) forty (40) months after the first bout promoted by ZUFFA involving Fighter under this Agreement; or (ii) the date on which Fighter has participated in at least eight (8) Bouts promoted by ZUFFA pursuant to this Agreement (the "Termination Date"), unless terminated sooner or extended further pursuant to the provisions of this Agreement.

Its a 21 page article.....try flipping through it.....

"unless terminated sooner or extended further pursuant to the provisions of this Agreement."

So like during a suspension.

 

[giusti825]

tell me how that went for Couture :icon_chee

Breach of Contract works both ways. Just how Couture had obligations.....so does the ufc.

 

[aker2703]

Wand in Brazil > Couture in the US

So that's definitely something Bellator should consider looking in to. Unless of course they're afraid of retaliation by the athletic comissions. And let's be honest... those comissions go way overboard with this kind of stuff.

you know Wand lives in Vegas right? He owns business in Vegas right? so if wand breached his contract and tried to fight in Brazil, Zuffa would file an injunction and if Wand ignored it, they would file suit in Vegas and sue the shit out of him.

 

[Mickey Mick]

I honestly don't know if I agree with it or not. Seems pretty harsh considering his opponent went down in flames worse than he did.

The fine makes sense, but a lifetime ban in Nevada is over the top. He may have skipped out on the drug test, but he didn't necessarily fail it.

 

[aker2703]

Breach of Contract works both ways. Just how Couture had obligations.....so does the ufc.

your point is?

 

[Degen Gambler]

ban is overkill but he should be suspended longer than Chael

 

[Mickey Mick]

you know Wand lives in Vegas right? He owns business in Vegas right? so if wand breached his contract and tried to fight in Brazil, Zuffa would file an injunction and if Wand ignored it, they would file suit in Vegas and sue the shit out of him.

I really hope it doesn't come to that.

 

[aker2703]

I honestly don't know if I agree with it or not. Seems pretty harsh considering his opponent went down in flames worse than he did.

The fine makes sense, but a lifetime ban in Nevada is over the top. He may have skipped out on the drug test, but he didn't necessarily fail it.

indefinite suspension is not a lifetime ban. If Wand plays nice (accepts blame and apologises), he could most likely be back in 2 years (who knows maybe less if he kissed ass)