Wanderlei Silva gets lifetime ban

[zephid]

Kind of disappointed. A lifetime ban is no punishment at all for a retired fighter.
Expected them to throw the book at him for running from the test.

What did you expect them to do? Banning him from fighting is pretty much the worst they can do.

 

[giusti825]

See you say that, but its not true. There's language in the contracts that we've been posting that allow for they extention of the time frame. :icon_lol:

Once the word "indefinite" or "lifetime" get introduced into contracts, they usually become unenfoceable.

 

[UL]

yes you did. You had the Gabriel Gonzaga (stupid Moustache AV) and we had a AV bet.

you know you welched (knowing that you also had a account bet) for the same fight.

stop lying.

Oh wait... were you the random person that messaged me saying if fighter X loses to X can you lose that horrendous av?

 

[SerrabyTKO]

Once the word "indefinite" or "lifetime" get introduced into contracts, they usually become unenfoceable.

No, they really don't. The UFC can take suspensions into account in terms of scheduling fights.

 

[giusti825]

Right, and Wand refusing to pay the fine constitutes a refusal to fight.

A peanut butter and jelly sandwich constitutes a refusal to fight.

See how i wrote two things that arent the same and said they were the same?? It looks just as stupid when other people do it.

 

[SerrabyTKO]

A peanut butter and jelly sandwich constitutes a refusal to fight.

See how i wrote two things that arent the same and said they were the same?? It looks just as stupid when other people do it.

By refusing to pay the fine, he is refusing to do the things that are necessary to legally be allowed to fight.

Surely you can see how there are no jelly sandwhiches involved here right? :redface:

 

[Jopo]

What kind of asshole agrees with a lifetime ban for first offense? hypocrites and haters.

Zero chance Wand is banned for life if he didn't go on a rant against the ufc. He'd be suspended like 9 months.

 

[aker2703]

Obviously. I'm sure an hypotethical agreement between Bellator and Wand would likely include Bellator having to cover any such penalties. I'm assuming the amount Wand would owe Zuffa would not be enough to discourage Bellator from taking such a big opportunity to enter one of the biggest MMA markets in the world with a bang.

you do realise that Zuffa would sue Bellator as well right? Bellator can't sign a fighter that is under contract. Bellator tried this already (Vyacheslav Vasilevsky) and got their ass handed to them by M-1.

If wand fights in brazil (and breaches his UFC contract) it will not be with an American company.

 

[aker2703]

What kind of asshole agrees with a lifetime ban for first offense? hypocrites and haters.

Zero chance Wand is suspended very long if he didn't go on a rant against the ufc.

what kind of asshole thinks an indefinite suspension is a life time ban.

 

[giusti825]

what kind of asshole thinks an indefinite suspension is a life time ban.

A suspension for an unspecified time limit is for all practical purposes the same. Though they are not the same thing. One specifies a time one does not.

 

[Jopo]

what kind of asshole thinks an indefinite suspension is a life time ban.

This asshole, asshole.

 

[aker2703]

This asshole, asshole.

fair enough :icon_lol:

 

[SerrabyTKO]

A suspension for an unspecified time limit is for all practical purposes the same.

This is why you are clearly not a lawyer. One implies that the issue can be revisited and adjusted. The other is a permanent ban.

 

[giusti825]

By refusing to pay the fine, he is refusing to do the things that are necessary to legally be allowed to fight.

Surely you can see how there are no jelly sandwhiches involved here right? :redface:

He only has to pay the fine to fight in Nevada.....nowhere else. Nevada is not the entire world, only a very small part of the US.

Surely you can see how refusing to pay a fine and having a fist fight are not the same thing??:redface:

 

[aker2703]

A suspension for an unspecified time limit is for all practical purposes the same. Though they are not the same thing. One specifies a time one does not.

Pete Rose has a life time ban, Ray Rice has an indefinite suspension. do you think these two are the same.

 

[SerrabyTKO]

He only has to pay the fine to fight in Nevada.....nowhere else.

The UFC has the right to take the suspension into consideration in regards to scheduling fights.

 

[giusti825]

The UFC has the right to take the suspension into consideration in regards to scheduling fights.

That doesnt negate every other term of the contract. If they wont schedule him to fight, he has strong grounds to seek termination of the contract.

 

[SerrabyTKO]

Pete Rose has a life time ban, Ray Rice has an indefinite suspension. do you think these two are the same.

Thats a great analogy.

Ray Rice can go try to play in England, but ONLY if the Ravens let him out of his contract. (Look at the NBA lockout summer where players went to play in china, but ONLY if they were free agents or their teams allowed them to)

The Ravens are not in breach of contract by upholding the suspension that the NFL levied.

 

[SerrabyTKO]

That doesnt negate every other term of the contract. If they wont schedule him to fight, he has strong grounds to seek termination of the contract.

He can certainly try, and will get laughed out of court, as I stated before. The UFC is well within their rights to honor his suspension before scheduling him.

 

[giusti825]

Thats a great analogy.

Ray Rice can go try to play in England, but ONLY if the Ravens let him out of his contract. (Look at the NBA lockout summer where players went to play in china, but ONLY if they were free agents or their teams allowed them to)

The Ravens are not in breach of contract by upholding the suspension that the NFL levied.

The NFL way overstepped their bounds in the ray rice situation, and they did so not because they wanted to, but because of sponsor pressure, which should have no place in an unbiased decision concerning a disciplinary action. But thats not the discussion here.