Walks like a DUCK, quacks like a DUCK, must be a...

iwhoopedbatman said:
you just claimed he fought a diversity of styles and that his competition progressed. While I agree Guida and Lentz are a little better than Cody, you're not showing me how this run is so much more diversified or progressed than Conor's.

Not to mention, top ten guys? who on Mendes' hit list was that exactly besides Lentz? He was fighting Cody and Meza, but they couldn't find a BJJ or Striking specialist near that caliber?
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I said his competition progressed. Which it did. I also said he wasn't fighting favorable match ups, which he was, but not because he was protected, but because every fighter in FW was a favorable match up due to his wrestling. Why is his run better than Conor's? Because Conor hasn't been given a match up that's not favorable to his style, and there are 5 guys in the top 5 who match that. Instead, he went down in competiton, from #6 to #10. Honestly, if you can't see how Mendes' run is more diversified or progressed than Conor's, then you're either blind or ignorant. There are no BJJ specialist near that caliber, and the only striking specialist was Cub. I'm guessing they didn't make Cub because Mendes already fought him. Wrestling > striking as a general rule of thumb in MMA.

Jin Akutsu said:
Hey, I'm all for debate and changing my tune. I just don't see them as similar when Conor has shown to be more impressive against similar competition compared to Cub is all. :cool:
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You don't see they're both strikers who hadn't faced wrestlers?
 
schwe30 said:
You don't see they're both strikers who hadn't faced wrestlers?
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I agree with that. But you said they're similar in regards to the opponents they fought. Looking at the fights, this clearly isn't the case as McGregor easily handled Siver and Poirier who Cub had struggles with. McGregor's TDD against Siver looked miles better then Cubs who struggled early in that fight.
 
Jin Akutsu said:
I agree with that. But you said they're similar in regards to the opponents they fought. Looking at the fights, this clearly isn't the case as McGregor easily handled Siver and Poirier who Cub had struggles with. McGregor's TDD against Siver looked miles better then Cubs who struggled early in that fight.
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No I didn't. I said they're similar in their careers. Cub got taken down by Siver after a failed technique, and so did Conor. The only difference is that Conor got up. That doesn't tell us much, but you're right, he did better than Cub.
 
schwe30 said:
No I didn't. I said they're similar in their careers. Cub got taken down by Siver after a failed technique, and so did Conor. The only difference is that Conor got up. That doesn't tell us much, but you're right, he did better than Cub.
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My mistake, you're right. You did say similar in careers.

In the Poirier fight Cub went to decision, and McGregor clobbered through him.
 
Jin Akutsu said:
My mistake, you're right. You did say similar in careers.

In the Poirier fight Cub went to decision, and McGregor clobbered through him.
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Yep, you're right in that regard as well. Conor did better against Poirier than Cub.
 
3v3ryth1ng said:
...GOAT?

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Conor McGregor ducked the top of his division en route to a title shot. In the unlikely event that he succeeds in his fight against Aldo, we have a scenario where more questions than answers surround the champion, and the supposed "best" FW fighter must go about proving himself retroactively.

But this thread isn't about Conor McGregor. It's about the idea that title challengers should be protected to preserve marketability. Is this good or bad for MMA? How long should the road to a title shot be? The masses appear divided on this issue.
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Your title fits the welcoming GIF, well done.

If the division is as stacked like in Conor's or Khabib's case, no rematches until those that have consecutive wins (5+) and are top 5 in the rankings had their try.
 
The only way he was protected was in the sense that he was kept away from grapplers. He's fought some legit dudes on his path to the title. Holloway is wrecking guys now and usually outstrikes his opponents but got slapped around by McGregor. Poirier and Siver are both not elite but they have decent striking and are well rounded and MGregor just ran through them.

It really doesn't bother me that much that he was kept from grapplers because the champ is a striker. If he beats Aldo he'll eventually have to face a wrestler so sooner or later we'll see how he fares against the likes of Mendes, Lamas, Edgar, etc.
 
While Conor was a little protected, who should he have fought? Who did he duck and refuse to fight when the fight was offered him?
 
schwe30 said:
No I didn't. I said they're similar in their careers. Cub got taken down by Siver after a failed technique, and so did Conor. The only difference is that Conor got up. That doesn't tell us much, but you're right, he did better than Cub.
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Conor never actually got taken down. It was close, but an actual takedown never was achieved.
 
Really this isn't about McGregor doing enough to prove his worthiness. It's about you not liking his personality. It's very narcissistic for you to believe that he should have to jump through your hoops and moving goalposts before getting a shot.
 
He doesn't fall into my category of ducking. Ducking is refusing an offered fight; has he done that?

Also, would you really rather see another Aldo/Edgar or aldo/Mendes rematch?

I'm sick of rematches
 
Yeah he ducked number 2 - 5 to fight the champion, like omg what a pussy right?
 
Conor did have an easy road to the title.. He has yet to face a legit wrestler. It's not his fault though.. He's just doing his job and beating who the match him with.
That being said..
Aldo will wreck Conor
 
grzelkaj said:
He hasn't ducked any any one. He gets his shot at the champ because he's best everyone else. Edgar is by far the more deserving fighter, but even he acknowledged that the Conor fight makes sense. Edgar should fight a can in the meantime.

Is it good they shelter there stars? Yes. Because if and when they do lose its big news, which is big money. You create this product. Nothing lasts for ever. But you might as well get the most out of it when you can. If say Swanson is better the Conor, I as a business man would not want to find out till after Aldo. And purely as a fan, I'd rather ride the GOAT as long as it lasts. And yes I realize that sounds gay. I worded it that way. Shit I am Polish after all. Regardless let a fan believe.
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I agree with you more than I've ever agreed with anything in my entire life. We should totally f***.

Edgar is the man. Give him a can to make some easy money and stay active, and fight for the belt after Conor. Win-win. I never understand why sherdog complains about rematches, but with Aldo that's all they seem to want. Wanting new contenders to be eliminated is dumb as a business man and as a fan. Conor has done as much or more than any of Aldo's other contenders. Let them fight.
 
what the hell is wrong with that goat?
 
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