Elections Wake the F**k Up Dems: Running on Identity Politics Doesn't Work Anymore

Noveltymortar said:
No, they didn't malign black people, and no, they didn't malign immigrants. They were against illegal immigration, which any sane person should be. Oh, and my Latino brothers went 10+ for Trump, while white women went 10+ for Harris.
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Even the minorities in the cities are against the illegal immigration shit.
 
I think this is a case of identity politics working very well.

The thing that the GOP has going for them is that they basically have 2 bases with a good bit of overlap. They have white Christian/Evangelicals, and fiscal conservatives. Very little that they say to one group with alienate the other.

The DNC is trying to huddle 25 different groups under their umbrella and anything they do or don't do for one group will piss off another. Don't accuse Israel of genocide, and or threaten to cut them off, you'll lose Muslims and progressives. Do so and lose Jews, neo-libs, and donors. Too soft on migrants and the homeless, lose neo-libs; too hard and you lose the progressives.

I don't know how the DNC addresses that problem, and I suspect they'll do what they did in 2020 and try to pivot back to white men.

What I think they started under Biden, and should continue to work on in the future is an economic message for working class and rural labor.
 
the people have spoken, democracy is not dead, and the liberals are the definite minority. they had the full backing of the media for the past 8 years, all total bullshit, and now we know for certain. we are the majority. your ideas suck ass.

it's time to heal now.
 
Darkavius said:
They ran a centrist campaign. If my memory serves me correctly it was Repub strongholds that were busing immigrants to other cities (i.e. Texas). The Kamala campaigned with the Cheneys. Things that Progessive Dems asked for they never got. Roe vs. Wade done under Biden. Stopping of Israel war in Gaza was not going to change under Kamala. No massive relief in student loans under Biden. The only thing Kamala was running on that applied to progessives was an increase in the minimum wage and a hopefully getting Roe vs. Wade back. Everything else was center-left bs that Clinton did in 2016.
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Oh, fuck off. They were caterwauling about a roast comedian making a throwaway joke about Puerto Rico in the days leading up to the election. That was their focus.

That was the left's strategy. There's nothing centrist about it. Centrists are disenchanted with this "He's literally Hitler!" hysteria. The Boy Who Cried Wolf is a tale meant to teach a simple life lesson. Why aren't Dems learning it?
 
surgeyou1 said:
This is exactly it. Obama ran on Hope and Change. Not more of the same. Not trying to appear as bipartisan as he possibly could. That's why he was so popular. You have to give something for voters to believe in, whether it's feasible or not.
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Obama had 3 big benefits. 1) He came after Bush massively messed up the economy. 2) He actually was a lead in having a change in healthcare (which is still around) despite what Repubs say no matter how flawed Obama care still is. 3) His competition was weak. Romney and McCain are really weak candidates.

Kamala ran on "A New Way Forward" but Dems biggest issue is NOT DEI or identity politics. Repubs win on identity politics all the time. Their biggest issue is they refuse to help their own base. They mainly help the center and the right which is why politicians like Pelosi and Schumer are still in power. If Dems were really about change people like Pelosi and Schumer would already be primaried and gone.
 
Madmick said:
Oh, fuck off. They were caterwauling about a roast comedian making a throwaway joke about Puerto Rico in the days leading up to the election. That was their focus.

That was the left's strategy. There's nothing centrist about it. Centrists are disenchanted with this "He's literally Hitler!" hysteria. The Boy Who Cried Wolf is a tale meant to teach a simple life lesson. Why aren't Dems learning it?
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So what happened the rest of the campaign genius? The Puerto Rico thing was near the end of the campaign. The rest of the campaign was what exactly? Pandering to center-left Dems and undecided voters. Do you see Trump campaigning with Dems? No, and you know why? Because he leans into support his base. Progessive Dems have been asking for a stop to Israel aggression and was turned down.

Trump ran on everything Repubs wanted. Dems, not so much. They ran the exact same campaign they did in 2020 which was we can help you if you elect us and the only Progessive Dem policy that Kamala was going to do was an increase in the minimum wage which has already been done in many states.
 
Fox by the Sea said:
Libs will be having night torch rallies in about 2 years, after the realization hits.
cause they're never winning a presidency again if they continue on the woke tranny open border criminal worshiping horseshit.
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nope, real hard working americans who have families, hate all that shit.

it will never, ever work in america. and this proves it. the people have spoken. democracy is not dead.
 
Darkavius said:
Obama had 3 big benefits. 1) He came after Bush massively messed up the economy. 2) He actually was a lead in having a change in healthcare (which is still around) despite what Repubs say no matter how flawed Obama care still is. 3) His competition was weak. Romney and McCain are really weak candidates.
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Obama was likeable and charismatic. Even Republicans admit that.

Hilary and to a lesser extent Kamala are hated.
 
Noveltymortar said:
No, they didn't malign immigrants. They were against illegal immigration,
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"They’re poisoning the blood of our country... not just in South America, not just to three or four countries that we think about, but all over the world. They’re coming into our country from Africa, from Asia, all over the world" - Donald Trump

That sounds pretty maligning. It's the most maligning thing I think I've ever heard from a campaign.

Then he accused a group of legal immigrants of "eating the pets in Springfield" and threatened to revoke their temporary protected status and deport them. "Absolutely I’d revoke it and I’d bring them back to their country".

And of course there's the fact that he cited the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 as the legal mechanism he'd use for deportation. This is noteworthy because you don't need to invoke that to deport illegal immigrants. You need it to deport or strip the rights of legal immigrants.

So, it's not JUST about illegal immigration and a lot of it is pretty maligning. But for what it's worth, it was a winning strategy.
 
When head of largest union in Ametica shows up at RNC and refuses to endorse the Dem csnidate. That was canary in cosl mine things wernt going to go left
 
Pliny Pete said:
I been watching Morning Joe all morning and its interesting to watch the anger towards the They/Them bullshit by all these liberal talking heads, several of them realize how much damage that nonsense is doing to their own party and are finally speaking loudly against the "very small group of progressives" that have taken control of the Democrats

Who knows if its actually gonna change the main direction of the party but its telling to see these people finally starting to say it out loud, I doubt theyre the only ones in the party that have quietly watched it happen even though they knew it was a bad idea
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Was Morning Joe speaking as if the transition was a major issue in the Dems losing?
 
Hog-train said:
The Dem's strategy this campaign: Orange Man Bad. He's racist, misogynist, sexist, transphobic, rapist and every ism under the sun.

They unsuccessfully tried identity politics with Hilary in 2016 and failed. And then they made the same exact mistake this time and failed again. It's like the boy who cried wolf. People just don't believe it.
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No they didn't. There was far, far less talk about Kamala's gender this time. And her ethnicity was brought up more by Republicans. In 2016, Hillary's gender was absolutely front and center.

They did run on the "Vote for her because she's not Trump and Trump is terrible" thing, that is true.

The reason she lost is because she's an uninspiring, uncharismatic, unlikable candidate. She's coming from an administration with historically low approval ratings, she herself had historically low approval ratings for a VP, and she was thrust into the position later into the election than anyone else in history.

It was an uphill battle from the beginning.
 
I didn't particularly like either candidate but I think in the long run this L will be a good lesson for the dems if they become more moderate and less extreme and weird

Both sides have shifted to the extremes somewhat, but the dems are way further over than the republicans
 
terrapin said:
Was Morning Joe speaking as if the transition was a major issue in the Dems losing?
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I see them mostly talking about letting the immigration thing go out of control. Perhaps they said something about trans but didn't see it.

 
Possum Jenkins said:
No they didn't. There was far, far less talk about Kamala's gender this time. And her ethnicity was brought up more by Republicans. In 2016, Hillary's gender was absolutely front and center.
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They didn't need to do that directly. They did it indirectly by attacking Trump as misogynist, sexist and racist.

Possum Jenkins said:
The reason she lost is because she's an uninspiring, uncharismatic, unlikable candidate. She's coming from an administration with historically low approval ratings, she herself had historically low approval ratings for a VP, and she was thrust into the position later into the election than anyone else in history.

It was an uphill battle from the beginning.
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And didn't stand for anything.
 
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